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bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1108	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote I was playing today and I realized that Caldari Sentinels will effectively become OP and Amarr will be nerfed. As it is right now, HMG damage profile is -5 to shields and +10 to armor. Rattati is trying to make it -15/+15. The Amarr Sentinel's role ever since before 1.8 came out was to be the undisputed king of HMGs. We already have a hard enough time as it is against Caldari because they can regen quickly and get a good resistance to HMGs, which means without a logi and a rep tool Amarr is actually useless. Technically we are tied with Caldari at resisting HMGs right now. At level 5 Amarr we get +15 armor resistance to projectile weapons. Since they inherently do +10 damage to armor, that means we resist HMGs by 5% just like Caldari do with their shields. Except we also take the proficiency damage in full so that means right now Caldari are technically better than us at resisting HMGs, but not by much because they trade HP for regen ability. A 15/15 damage profile would completely nerf Amarr Sentinel into the ground. This will upset a very delicate balance. To be honest if these changes through go and we don't get a respec I will quit the game. Straight up, a 32 million, 1 year Dust veteran will QUIT FOREVER. I seriously will not even play Legion if this happens. Sign if you are against this unfair change bamboo x Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3059	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:49:00 - [2] - Quote Close the door on your way out. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Zindorak 1.U.P 770	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:52:00 - [3] - Quote Put me on the list i want OP Am sentinel Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2066	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:56:00 - [4] - Quote Caldari Sentinel becoming OP.... *Tries to process the notion until his head explodes* I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3393	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote cough Flux Grenade cough They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Put me on the list i want OP Am sentinel it's not OP. it's very weak without a logi repairing it. armor based sentinels are not as powerful as you think when they are alone without support from their entire squad. caldari and minmatar are different. they are quite literally more independent and don't need a logi. they are faster and can benefit greater from shared tacnet scans this will make the shield tanking heavies FOTM and extremely OP. not only will they resist HMGs and projectiles but also lasers, hybrid blasters, hybrid rails, pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME. Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4737	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote This exactly. Just wait until they go through with it anyways and all of a sudden the sentinels go from being balanced to "OMG CAL SENT OP NERF" 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3060	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote Let's see Amarr can be repped, has a higher pool of HP can run 2 damage mods without gimping it's fit, and a flux will annihilate a Cal sent. Tanker/Logi/Assault
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:02:00 - [9] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: cough Flux Grenade cough That's ridiculous to expect flux grenades and sidearms to save the day. All a Caldari or Minmatar will have to do is run up into a crowd of Amarr or Gallente and start busting heads. They will do FAR more damage than a shield-based sidearm can do and you'd be lucky to even know when to cook the flux because they outspeed you. Caldari gets a 15% resistance to laser which does +20 to shields so it only takes +5 from lasers. It also has +10 against hybrid plasma which means it takes +0 neutral damage. These are the only two things besides fluxes that shield based heavies won't resist. They're not supposed to be that powerful on top of being that fast and versatile. This is not what 1.8 had designed the different Sentinels for. Think about a Caldari Sentinel that will shrug off even a Burst HMG, or a Minmatar out-strafing it while taking minimal damage. Do you honesly think being weak and ONLY weak to fluxes will not be OP as holy hell? Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Haerr Legio DXIV 1308	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:02:00 - [10] - Quote bamboo x wrote: QUIT FOREVER. This SCOTTY has Super Cow Powers.

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:04:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Let's see Amarr can be repped, has a higher pool of HP can run 2 damage mods without gimping it's fit, and a flux will annihilate a Cal sent. WE CHOSE AMARR AND GALLENTE FOR THEIR RESISTANCES. This is not like Caldari Scouts losing their precision which should be running precision in the first place and don't need any extra boost. This is like taking the Caldari scout's shields away. No one would use it. This is like taking Min Scout's speed away. This will completely throw the entire Sentinel balance off. Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Zindorak 1.U.P 770	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:05:00 - [12] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Zindorak wrote: Put me on the list i want OP Am sentinel it's not OP. it's very weak without a logi repairing it. armor based sentinels are not as powerful as you think when they are alone without support from their entire squad. caldari and minmatar are different. they are quite literally more independent and don't need a logi. they are faster and can benefit greater from shared tacnet scans this will make the shield tanking heavies FOTM and extremely OP. not only will they resist HMGs and projectiles but also lasers, hybrid blasters, hybrid rails, pretty much EVERYTHING IN THE GAME. Yea i don't mean OP sorry Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:07:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Let's see Amarr can be repped, has a higher pool of HP can run 2 damage mods without gimping it's fit, and a flux will annihilate a Cal sent. we only have one high slot now. and if cal sentinels play correctly they can get a much higher KDR due to their high mobility, regen, and independence from logis Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3060	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:09:00 - [14] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Let's see Amarr can be repped, has a higher pool of HP can run 2 damage mods without gimping it's fit, and a flux will annihilate a Cal sent. WE CHOSE AMARR AND GALLENTE FOR THEIR RESISTANCES. This is not like Caldari Scouts losing their precision which should be running precision in the first place and don't need any extra boost. This is like taking the Caldari scout's shields away. No one would use it. This is like taking Min Scout's speed away. This will completely throw the entire Sentinel balance off. WTF kind of comparison is that you seem to think their taking away your low slots from the way you're talking. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1952	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:09:00 - [15] - Quote So we have a Cal sent that has 830-950hp and has about a 50-30hp/sec regen (respectively, which needs a second or 3 to start up), which can all be vaporized in a second by a well placed Flux, vs a potential +1.3k armor + shield buffer and +150hp/sec repair and damage mod Amarr. Yeah, I'm not seeing itGÇª EDIT: Oh, and if I didn't get a respec for CCP literally respecializing my Cal scout from under my feet, why would you expect a respec for something as minor as this? Don't be such a drama queen.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3060	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:10:00 - [16] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Let's see Amarr can be repped, has a higher pool of HP can run 2 damage mods without gimping it's fit, and a flux will annihilate a Cal sent. we only have one high slot now. and if cal sentinels play correctly they can get a much higher KDR due to their high mobility, regen, and independence from logis Ya I forgot they changed that but stop b!tching Caldari is supposed to be the best solo heavy while Amarr is supposed to be best with support. Tanker/Logi/Assault
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:12:00 - [17] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: So we have a Cal sent that has 830-950hp and has about a 50-30hp/sec regen (respectively, which needs a second or 3 to start up), which can all be vaporized in a second by a well placed Flux, vs a potential +1.3k armor + shield buffer and +150hp/sec repair and damage mod Amarr. Yeah, I'm not seeing itGÇª Amarr doesn't get that repair without a logi. Caldari can operate independently of it. Do I have to ***** go on protofits and stack shield extenders on a cal sentinel to get the ***** point across to you people? Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1187	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:14:00 - [18] - Quote nerf all hmg first then I will sign your bs petition
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3060	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:14:00 - [19] - Quote And this is somehow a nerf to the just the Amarr heavy the one you use and not the min and/or gal. Tanker/Logi/Assault
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:16:00 - [20] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: And this is somehow a nerf to the just the Amarr heavy the one you use and not the min and/or gal. I said multiple times it's a nerf to armor based heavies and specifically mentioned Gallente. Minmatar favors shields because of its innate speed. All sentinels will be forced to run shield extenders. Quote: Ya I forgot they changed that but stop b!tching Caldari is supposed to be the best solo heavy while Amarr is supposed to be best with support. THEY WON'T BE THE BEST OF ANYTHING ANYMORE. THEY WILL BE THE BEST RAG DOLL Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1208	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:17:00 - [21] - Quote "Oh no, I might be slightly weaker to things that I'm actually supposed to be weak against! WELL THATS **IN BULLSHIT, I'M GUNNA IN QUIT IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME ALL MY SP BACK!" Yeah, no. You will not be missed. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3060	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:19:00 - [22] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: And this is somehow a nerf to the just the Amarr heavy the one you use and not the min and/or gal. I said multiple times it's a nerf to armor based heavies and specifically mentioned Gallente. Minmatar favors shields because of its innate speed. All sentinels will be forced to run shield extenders. Quote: Ya I forgot they changed that but stop b!tching Caldari is supposed to be the best solo heavy while Amarr is supposed to be best with support. THEY WON'T BE THE BEST OF ANYTHING ANYMORE. THEY WILL BE THE BEST RAG DOLL If you die in a 1vs1 with a core focused + min logi bonus on you to a cal sent then your a scrub heavy. Just because you Edited your post doesn't mean you don't still come off as someone who is only looking at his suit and not general balance http://dustsearch.com/thread/174369/page/1#20 Tanker/Logi/Assault
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:24:00 - [23] - Quote This is exactly what's wrong with CCP's design methods and this forum. Most of the people who play the game actually have a life and don't come on here to voice their opinion. So they effectively do not matter especially because they are in the PSN playerbase. If they did there would be a lot of "fixes" that never go through because they are just dumb ideas that are perpetuated by trolls like you who resort to insults and are completely inconsiderate and rude. Any idea that is not your idea is worthless well guess what in the real world outside of CCP's bubble you are wrong. Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1208	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:25:00 - [24] - Quote bamboo x wrote: This is exactly what's wrong with CCP's design methods and this forum. Most of the people who play the game actually have a life and don't come on here to voice their opinion. So they effectively do not matter especially because they are in the PSN playerbase. If they did there would be a lot of "fixes" that never go through because they are just dumb ideas that are perpetuated by trolls like you who resort to insults and are completely inconsiderate and rude. Any idea that is not your idea is worthless well guess what in the real world outside of CCP's bubble you are wrong. You seem to think balance is a democracy. It isn't. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ace Starburst is well hung 116	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:28:00 - [25] - Quote OP is right 15% is too mild. Go the full 20% or go home.
Ronan Elsword Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 288	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:28:00 - [26] - Quote Hurry everyone QQ so the Cal Sentinel still sucks *Ode to the days before AA Hipfire was better than ads*
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:29:00 - [27] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: bamboo x wrote: This is exactly what's wrong with CCP's design methods and this forum. Most of the people who play the game actually have a life and don't come on here to voice their opinion. So they effectively do not matter especially because they are in the PSN playerbase. If they did there would be a lot of "fixes" that never go through because they are just dumb ideas that are perpetuated by trolls like you who resort to insults and are completely inconsiderate and rude. Any idea that is not your idea is worthless well guess what in the real world outside of CCP's bubble you are wrong. You seem to think balance is a democracy. It isn't. You are completely illogical and won't listen to reason. The HMG resistance is THE ONLY THING AMARR HAS GOING FOR IT and the better of the two Gallente resistances. Simply put if there are no other heavy weapons than a projectile then it is unfair to make one heavy the weakest against them. As it is right now Gallente and Caldari are tied with being good against HMGs and Minmatar is supposed to be weakest. If this change goes through Amarr will be absolutely useless. Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1208	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:34:00 - [28] - Quote bamboo x wrote: You are completely illogical and won't listen to reason. The HMG resistance is THE ONLY THING AMARR HAS GOING FOR IT and the better of the two Gallente resistances. Simply put if there are no other heavy weapons than a projectile then it is unfair to make one heavy the weakest against them. As it is right now Gallente and Caldari are tied with being good against HMGs and Minmatar is supposed to be weakest. If this change goes through Amarr will be absolutely useless. I'm skilled into the Amarr sentinel on a character I play often. Projectile resistance is a small thing, the real upside is the fact that it has four low slots and tons of fitting space. I don't mind taking a small nerf in the name of balance, Clearly you do. But with comments like 'This sentinel is supposed to be bad' and 'my sentinel is supposed to be the best' I don't think you understand that every suit should have a viable role In the game, while also having some counters. Don't try to tell me that I'm being 'illogical' when you're supportive of arbitrarily bad suits for no reason other than a like for 'ivory tower design' Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1110	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:34:00 - [29] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Hurry everyone QQ so the Cal Sentinel still sucks It doesn't suck. My friend Jacques Cayton II hardly ever signs on but he chose Cal heavy right when it came out. He constantly goes 50/2 even in PC matches he gets amazing KDR because he plays the suit correctly. He stacks shield regen and engages from a distance. Caldari will be running all over the place resisting EVERY WEAPON IN THE GAME and will be one of the worst FOTMs ever. Click here to prevent Amarr Sentinel unfair nerf
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3395	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:35:00 - [30] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: cough Flux Grenade cough That's ridiculous to expect flux grenades and sidearms to save the day. All a Caldari or Minmatar will have to do is run up into a crowd of Amarr or Gallente and start busting heads. They will do FAR more damage than a shield-based sidearm can do and you'd be lucky to even know when to cook the flux because they outspeed you. Caldari gets a 15% resistance to laser which does +20 to shields so it only takes +5 from lasers. It also has +10 against hybrid plasma which means it takes +0 neutral damage. These are the only two things besides fluxes that shield based heavies won't resist. They're not supposed to be that powerful on top of being that fast and versatile. This is not what 1.8 had designed the different Sentinels for. Think about a Caldari Sentinel that will shrug off even a Burst HMG, or a Minmatar out-strafing it while taking minimal damage. Do you honesly think being weak and ONLY weak to fluxes will not be OP as holy hell? Cal Sent Max Reasonable Tank (5x PRO Extender + PRO Reactive + HMG - No Sidearm - No Grenade) 1436 eHP (~900 Shields) Min Sent Max Reasonable Tank (3x PRO Extender + PRO Reactive + PRO Armour Plate + HMG - No Sidearm - No Grenade) 1461 eHP (~800 Shields) Gal Sent Max Reasonable Tank (2x PRO Extender + PRO Reactive + 2x PRO Armour Plate + HMG - No Sidearm - No Grenade) 1649 eHP (~1100 Armour) Amr Sent Max Reasonable Tank (1x PRO Extender + PRO Reactive + 3x PRO Armour Plate + HMG - No Sidearm - No Grenade) 1782 eHP (~1200 Armour) Gallante Plasma Assault Rifle 450 DPS, 5.4 Second Mag TTK - Cal Sent 3.4 Seconds Min Sent 3.4 Seconds Gal Sent 3.6 Seconds Amr Sent 4.0 Seconds Still seems pretty balanced to me. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3



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