DUST Search - Hotfix Delta: STOP unskilled invisible BOMBERS [VIDEO]

Meee One wrote:

Kallas Hallytyr wrote:

John Psi wrote:

We require:

1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons.
2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it.
3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades.

1. The delay is relatively present, though switching to weapons is fast enough that you can fire before the cloak finishes the decloak animation, whereas with equipment, REs particularly, you need to pull them out then throw them.

2. This is already present in the game. If an enemy is detonating an RE quickly after tossing, then it is an F/45 or a Boundless; ie, a higher level investment which brings the benefit of having shorter activation delay.

3. They do. When deployed they make a beep.

You concerns are already addressed for the most part.

1.There is 0 delay.
Try swapping from an active rep tool to your weapon that's a delay.

2.Scouts can take 3 steps and avoid their own RE while other suits RUNNING is worthless.
I have been killed by insta REs,in basic form.

3.The beep is worthless,by the time you hear it it's already being detonated.

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John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 876	Posted - 2014.09.01 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote Dear Rattati, just check this 3min video evidence: 1. 0:07 Mark jump point. 2. 0:40 Making ordinary jump, mark landing point. 3. 1:30 Making sustained* jump, mark landing point. 4. 1:42 The difference between ordinary and sustained jump is 3 meters. 5. 2:30 Making sustained jump, throw RE in the top of the jump trajectory. 6. 2:50 Mark the point of bomb landing - throw distance is 10 meters. We did this with with 20k ISK worth suit. You are able to deal 1500 HP damage without any harm for yourself. Although when creating this video a Cloaking Device was not used, it is present in fit. Using Cloaking Device before jump gives you the ability to accomplish the same thing as invisible. The same effect can be achieved with: Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Macro Tactical Scrambler We require: 1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons. 2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it. 3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades. *Sustained jump - just press BACK button in the top of the jump trajectory. Please support fair play!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1605	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:42:00 - [2] - Quote Solution: move to the right or left No changes needed here, move along everyone.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 878	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Solution: move to the right or left No changes needed here, move along everyone. Wrong. Please support fair play!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1605	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:09:00 - [4] - Quote John Psi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Solution: move to the right or left No changes needed here, move along everyone. Wrong. True
ImIvan 28	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:20:00 - [5] - Quote R.E. are not grenades, nothing more annoying scouts using them as grenades... Why must you use prototypes?
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 799	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:21:00 - [6] - Quote You can't be invisible while throwing or holding RE's, so... yea... And there is a sound, a pretty loud one at that, one that makes absolutely no sense existing but is there to ensure you don't die to something you had no chance or avoiding. I'd hate to see your reaction to Bad Company 2's explosive throws. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
XxVEXESxX 24	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:57:00 - [7] - Quote 2012 Olympic longjump First jump in your vid broke world record jump by 2meters. Every jump after matched the real life jumps above. Human limitations are apparent in dust as far as run speed is concerned but it seems wearing a futuristic scout suit breaks the bounds of inertia and gravity which allows the wearer to glide and land gently without any effects. The sprint jump has been severely abused in dust by scouts and has been mentioned to not be an intention that ccp would like in their design. interview with ccp remnant Quote: First and foremost, combat should be fun. Long TTK is not fun if itGÇÖs the result of loose controls, poor aim assists or dance-strafing/bunny-hopping combat GÇô all problems that DUST has suffered from in the past. Since the change in direction to legion and CCP Remnants leave the issues of dance-strafing and bunny-hopping combat has been left unaddressed. Its still very much apart of the game till this day. PSN: XxVEXESxX Minmatar loyalist Dropsuit Upgrades level 5
Zindorak 1.U.P 770	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:18:00 - [8] - Quote The russian voice over lady sounds cool Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 945	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:27:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati is someone you hold dear? What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4702	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:16:00 - [10] - Quote medomai grey wrote: CCP Rattati is someone you hold dear? Don't use dear someone unless someone is dear to you. Try hello someone instead. Edit: A in video explanation would have been nice. I could be wrong, but I believe "Dear Sir or Madam" to be perfectly acceptable usage. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 731	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:20:00 - [11] - Quote John Psi wrote: We require: 1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons. 2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it. 3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades. 1. The delay is relatively present, though switching to weapons is fast enough that you can fire before the cloak finishes the decloak animation, whereas with equipment, REs particularly, you need to pull them out then throw them. 2. This is already present in the game. If an enemy is detonating an RE quickly after tossing, then it is an F/45 or a Boundless; ie, a higher level investment which brings the benefit of having shorter activation delay. 3. They do. When deployed they make a beep. You concerns are already addressed for the most part. Alt of Halla Murr.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1054	Posted - 2014.09.02 03:53:00 - [12] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: John Psi wrote: We require: 1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons. 2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it. 3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades. 1. The delay is relatively present, though switching to weapons is fast enough that you can fire before the cloak finishes the decloak animation, whereas with equipment, REs particularly, you need to pull them out then throw them. 2. This is already present in the game. If an enemy is detonating an RE quickly after tossing, then it is an F/45 or a Boundless; ie, a higher level investment which brings the benefit of having shorter activation delay. 3. They do. When deployed they make a beep. You concerns are already addressed for the most part. 1.There is 0 delay. Try swapping from an active rep tool to your weapon that's a delay. 2.Scouts can take 3 steps and avoid their own RE while other suits RUNNING is worthless. I have been killed by insta REs,in basic form. 3.The beep is worthless,by the time you hear it it's already being detonated. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Fleen Costell'o Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 451	Posted - 2014.09.02 06:38:00 - [13] - Quote Remote explosive device to be used as a weapon to protect the object and not a weapon attack, if it suits all of you let it will be possible to throw like grenade, add in all the suits cloak active resists and damage modules. Wants to play a tactical shooter, and not to fight with ghosts with bombs, they soon also plasma cannon buff speed and scouts, cloak, RE.... DUALSHOCK 4 -¢-â-ç-ê-¦ -+-¦ -¦-ï-¦-¦-¦-é )
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 728	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:22:00 - [14] - Quote John Psi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Solution: move to the right or left No changes needed here, move along everyone. Wrong. ofc if an object is throw forward it will seemingly keep traveling on that forward vector till gravity has complete control if it is throw off a building [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 793	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:49:00 - [15] - Quote Maybe you should have shot the scout with the blaster turret on your HAV then? Seriously? you run around in squad with Duna, spamming tanks and ruining the player experience of 1000's of people - but you QQ like a little baby when it comes to scouts? HTFU! If you see this laggy russian *** in a gamemode where he can't be farming kills in a tank you'll probably find him hiding in a corner of the map in his gal logi spamming active scans for the whole match - he has no gun game and will literally ** himself if you uncloak near him and start shooting
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2478	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:26:00 - [16] - Quote You worry about him spamming scans. I'll worry about making those tanks into a giant pit where money vanishes forever. People still dont seem to realize that I consider it my personal calling to exterminate all vehicles. There are like three drivers who have a good chance of getting away with the tank intact. They know who they are I chase ADS into deep redline so I can trash them before they can recall.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 902	Posted - 2014.09.09 05:40:00 - [17] - Quote I do not quite understand - how is possible "spamming scans" from a tank? anyway, imho it's offtopic. Please support fair play!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2291	Posted - 2014.09.09 11:16:00 - [18] - Quote You do understand that distance to throw it doesn't matter, as it still has an activation time? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4162	Posted - 2014.09.09 14:45:00 - [19] - Quote Zindorak wrote: The russian voice over lady sounds cool The Japanese one is sexier. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1045	Posted - 2014.09.09 14:56:00 - [20] - Quote John Psi wrote: 1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons. 2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it. 3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades. I really want to root for you man. Thanks for the video but explanation is definitely needed, even if its just in the description. It took me a very long time to figure out what you were even trying to accomplish and most people aren't as patient as I am. 1. there is a delay, however the point remains that once they are in that closed gap, next to nothing is going to save you from the Shotgun (and now knives) except other people around you or a very bad scout. 2. there is a delay. The counter starts after the remote leaves your hand, so even if you're in the air and the remote is still falling, its counting that whole time as arming. 3. there is definitely a sound. its the same exact sound as putting down a nanohive or uplink, which is why my blueberries often scare the crap out of me That being said, only one thing I've seen needs to be fixed, and that's the migrating remotes. lee corwood wrote: While sometimes annoying, the hang time I don't mind. But I do think CCP needs to look into how these remotes are detonating people much farther away than stated. I use remotes a lot but mostly proxies on the ground or REs to the back of a tank's bumper. Proxies tend to slide for a bit on the ground before they stick especially when you're moving. I've heard countless complaints from corpmates and other forum users that scouts are throwing remotes and the remotes migrate. I assumed they were just not paying attention or that more than one had been planted, but then I watched it happen in match to a fellow blueberry. The throw happened, I saw the remote hit the ground and the sound associated with eq placement. Then I saw it glitch and appear under the BB's feet. It was like a lag/delayed slide that pushed it across the ground not where the initial animation 'placed' it. I really wish I had been recording when this had happened. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1507	Posted - 2014.09.09 15:30:00 - [21] - Quote Look at that package though, if this were real it would be able to be thrown a LOT further than just 10 meters. Yes I know we balance things in the game not based around real life proposals. Didn't CCP already add in a delay for the remotes? I feel that this is fine as it is personally..... -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 927	Posted - 2014.09.15 07:27:00 - [22] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Look at that package though, if this were real it would be able to be thrown a LOT further than just 10 meters. Of course, no Kin Cat's in this fit, basic suit. This example demonstrates the possibility of a 1.5K damage by anyone, who just got out of the academy. Dear Rattati, can we have any answer from u? Please support fair play!
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1133	Posted - 2014.09.15 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote Meee One wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: John Psi wrote: We require: 1. The delay after decloaking when you can't use any equipment/weapons. 2. The delay after throwing RE when you can't detonate it. 3. REs should make the warning sound as grenades. 1. The delay is relatively present, though switching to weapons is fast enough that you can fire before the cloak finishes the decloak animation, whereas with equipment, REs particularly, you need to pull them out then throw them. 2. This is already present in the game. If an enemy is detonating an RE quickly after tossing, then it is an F/45 or a Boundless; ie, a higher level investment which brings the benefit of having shorter activation delay. 3. They do. When deployed they make a beep. You concerns are already addressed for the most part. 1.There is 0 delay. Try swapping from an active rep tool to your weapon that's a delay. 2.Scouts can take 3 steps and avoid their own RE while other suits RUNNING is worthless. I have been killed by insta REs,in basic form. 3.The beep is worthless,by the time you hear it it's already being detonated. The blast radius on the higher tier RE's is too high. Many times I have seen the RE, run away but still get killed by it. The delay and the warning need to be long enough to react to. Because, that's why.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4888	Posted - 2014.09.15 20:21:00 - [24] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: The blast radius on the higher tier RE's is too high. Many times I have seen the RE, run away but still get killed by it. The delay and the warning need to be long enough to react to. Fairly certain that the blast radius is the same for each tier of Remote Explosive. It is 5 meters, which is 1 meter less than the blast radius of a standard locus grenade. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 463	Posted - 2014.09.16 00:36:00 - [25] - Quote How about changing the beep from 'when explosive is thrown' to 'when detonator is pressed' then have a 5/3/1 second delay between beep and explosion. Although I have no trouble avoiding someone throwing remotes at me (you just shoot the guy throwing it & he can't detonate until he respawns) it is annoying that you never know where the remote is until after it's landed and at that point you're buggered because it's gonna blow. As someone who uses RE's (quite a lot, but not on a scout... Commando ftw!) I can say they are too easy to use in the heat of a shootout.
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 33	Posted - 2014.09.16 16:51:00 - [26] - Quote RE's actually make a constant beeping sound after being planted. Unfortunately the only time I can hear this is when I have my top end surround sound going. Normal Television stereo and my Logitech Portable surround sound do not produce it clear enough to hear during battle.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 933	Posted - 2014.09.18 11:21:00 - [27] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: RE's actually make a constant beeping sound after being planted. Unfortunately the only time I can hear this is when I have my top end surround sound going. Normal Television stereo and my Logitech Portable surround sound do not produce it clear enough to hear during battle. i use original SONY-« PULSE wireless stereo headset (7.1 virtual surround sound). NO beeping sound after RE being planted. Please support fair play!
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.09.18 11:31:00 - [28] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Solution: move to the right or left No changes needed here, move along everyone. Your crazy as hell, of course changes are needed. You and that scrub ceo like antics like this because you suck at the game. Get your ass out of here. Garbage noob. Great post, accurate, well known problem, the solutions are common sense. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.09.18 11:32:00 - [29] - Quote REDBACK96USMC wrote: RE's actually make a constant beeping sound after being planted. Unfortunately the only time I can hear this is when I have my top end surround sound going. Normal Television stereo and my Logitech Portable surround sound do not produce it clear enough to hear during battle. Umm, no they dont. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2014.09.27 20:42:00 - [30] - Quote SIDE NOTE... the Russian automated voice is much much hotter than the English lol Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....

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