DUST Search - Snipers are infact OP says CCP

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets..

CCP Rattati wrote:

Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter.

this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum.

ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along.

That's not saying that snipers are OP, it's saying that snipers hiding in the red line is a problem and I agree. Snipers whine about how they 'cant kill anything', but they don't ever want to give up range for more damage - no they just want more damage so they can continue to play without any risk at all.

My suggestion - Drop sniper rifle range to 400m (from 600m), increase base sniper rifle damage by about 45, increase headshot multiplier by a little.

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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:19:00 - [1] - Quote i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets.. CCP Rattati wrote: Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter. this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum. ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:41:00 - [2] - Quote Who dies to snipers anymore, lol. Havent been killed by 1 in at least a week.You get pecked at and it annoys you but you move on you dont have to come to the forums and ask daddy ccp to destroy the role.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 12:50:00 - [3] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Who dies to snipers anymore, lol. Havent been killed by 1 in at least a week.You get pecked at and it annoys you but you move on you dont have to come to the forums and ask daddy ccp to destroy the role. delicious bitterness! but on the plus note do look at improved damage and headshot multipler that he also mentioned [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 79	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:00:00 - [4] - Quote i'm good with 500 meters if they can fix their maps... shrugs Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 282	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Yup, so op we're getting a damage buff lol what i think of when charging fg
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:02:00 - [6] - Quote Mike De Luca wrote: Yup, so op we're getting a damage buff lol i can live with a damage buff and HS multiplier buff as long as you snipers are not able to sit in the redline or atleast soo deep in the redline you are almost in the map next door :P [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 711	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:03:00 - [7] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: i'm good with 500 meters if they can fix their maps... shrugs please elaborate on "fixing" the maps [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 282	Posted - 2014.09.01 13:09:00 - [8] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Yup, so op we're getting a damage buff lol i can live with a damage buff and HS multiplier buff as long as you snipers are not able to sit in the redline or atleast soo deep in the redline you are almost in the map next door :P And those of us who don't sit in the redline will be probably be screwed over by an over nerf of our range and no perches within whatever range they move us too (most are around 300-400m) what i think of when charging fg
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 383	Posted - 2014.09.01 15:30:00 - [9] - Quote Mike De Luca wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Yup, so op we're getting a damage buff lol i can live with a damage buff and HS multiplier buff as long as you snipers are not able to sit in the redline or atleast soo deep in the redline you are almost in the map next door :P And those of us who don't sit in the redline will be probably be screwed over by an over nerf of our range and no perches within whatever range they move us too (most are around 300-400m) This. oh And once again Apothecary you are wrong. op means over-powered if that were the case they would not be giving us more power! they are reducing the range because of players like you that can't deal with them. there are players in this game who don't rely on the red line for safety when they snipe. they are the ONLY ones this will affect. you will still get those red line snipers. or do you think that people who play for safety will suddenly see the error of their ways? snipers have been so under-powered for so long that they are a joke. this will just make it worse.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 433	Posted - 2014.09.01 15:42:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: i'm good with 500 meters if they can fix their maps... shrugs please elaborate on "fixing" the maps Shouldn't matter, they're broken beyond repair anyway. Partly because of the crappy game-modes we have. The not Logic Bomb! lollaserfocusedonPS3 Got to get those pub stomps over hour yo!

Private Part's sticky green's 2	Posted - 2014.09.01 15:56:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets.. CCP Rattati wrote: Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter. this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum. ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along. Wow I must be doing it wrong where are these spots that overlook the objective where i can snipe but not be counter sniped?
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3233	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:07:00 - [12] - Quote Don't care much for a range nerf as long as it's reasonable, but yay for more damage!
Zindorak 1.U.P 765	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:08:00 - [13] - Quote I hate them thales scrubs. Now you have risk of losing them hahahaha Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 283	Posted - 2014.09.01 16:10:00 - [14] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Don't care much for a range nerf as long as it's reasonable, but yay for more damage! It won't be, this is CCP....and look at past history of nerfs lol what i think of when charging fg
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 52	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:12:00 - [15] - Quote On the topic of Sniper rifles, Google Barrett M107, its a 21st century rifle and take note of the effective range and damage that is does. Enuf said.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 777	Posted - 2014.09.01 17:42:00 - [16] - Quote I think the changes will be good. I've been using the ish tactical and it's really useful. If they decrease range and buff damage then that will be great for sniping from odd positions. I find it better to snipe closer anyways. Being in the redline means the sniper is simply stealing kills rather than backing up and protecting his team. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1643	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:02:00 - [17] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets.. CCP Rattati wrote: Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter. this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum. ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along. I'm sorry, you said something about a nerf? Shoot Scout with yes.
Marlin Kirby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 433	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:08:00 - [18] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: On the topic of Sniper rifles, Google Barrett M107, its a 21st century rifle and take note of the effective range and damage that is does. Enuf said. Balance > Realism The not Logic Bomb! lollaserfocusedonPS3 Got to get those pub stomps over hour yo!
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 422	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:23:00 - [19] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: I think the changes will be good. I've been using the ish tactical and it's really useful. If they decrease range and buff damage then that will be great for sniping from odd positions. I find it better to snipe closer anyways. Being in the redline means the sniper is simply stealing kills rather than backing up and protecting his team. This. The counter snipe argument is just dumb. It's like telling av to just get a tank/ads, wanna kill a scout use a scout, heavys gettin ya down?, grab a hmg. Sniper wants to get some kills? Get within 50m I wouldn't care if they doubled the SR damage if they cut the max range to 300m ( worked for redline tanks ) and make hip fire worthless so it doesn't become a ******** shotgun. Lonewolf till I die
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1390	Posted - 2014.09.01 18:33:00 - [20] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Who dies to snipers anymore, lol. Havent been killed by 1 in at least a week.You get pecked at and it annoys you but you move on you dont have to come to the forums and ask daddy ccp to destroy the role. Say that to a Thales user overlooking Alpha and Charlie on Manus Peak. (Looking @ you pegasis prime) shakes fist to the unseen coward on the hills or wherever Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3229	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:01:00 - [21] - Quote If you actually read that post, he clearly states they need improved damage. The depth a Thale's can hide in the redline though is an issue as well, of course. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Zindorak 1.U.P 770	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:15:00 - [22] - Quote I know a great sniping area in Dom or Skirm. It's an MCC Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3393	Posted - 2014.09.01 19:45:00 - [23] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: On the topic of Sniper rifles, Google Barrett M107, its a 21st century rifle and take note of the effective range and damage that is does. Enuf said. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun Fully Automatic Shotgun 100m Range http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA80 Standard Issue British Assault Rifle 500m range Please do not start pulling up realism in a game, you have no idea. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 559	Posted - 2014.09.01 20:34:00 - [24] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Spectre-M wrote: I think the changes will be good. I've been using the ish tactical and it's really useful. If they decrease range and buff damage then that will be great for sniping from odd positions. I find it better to snipe closer anyways. Being in the redline means the sniper is simply stealing kills rather than backing up and protecting his team. This. The counter snipe argument is just dumb. It's like telling av to just get a tank/ads, wanna kill a scout use a scout, heavys gettin ya down?, grab a hmg. Sniper wants to get some kills? Get within 50m I wouldn't care if they doubled the SR damage if they cut the max range to 300m ( worked for redline tanks ) and make hip fire worthless so it doesn't become a ******** shotgun. Hell I usually snipe within 300 meters anyways so I'm all for nerfing the range if it gets a damage buff. I get killed more while sniping by red line snipers hiding in their red line head glitching then by anything else when I'm sniping.
Private Part's sticky green's 6	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:14:00 - [25] - Quote I just started experimenting with snipping deep into the red line i don't normally use the tactical sniper rifle but I'm starting to see your gripe with it. but the real problem seems to be with the thale it functions just like a tactical sniper rifle but hits like a charged sniper rifle of course there pretty rare salvage drops hell i've been playing off and on since open beta and I only got 3 of them. also it's only looks like the red line snipping is only feasible on certain maps just like on certain maps cqc or vehicle's have an advantage. Lower the Thales damage by like 100 to bring it closer inline with the kaalakiota and we should have significantly less tears on this subject and everyone can find something new to cry about.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 559	Posted - 2014.09.01 21:28:00 - [26] - Quote Though this may spoil the fun as it may get it reversed as I can already see the QQ coming, i'll say it anyways. If SR range is getting nerfed, but its damage and head shot multiplier is getting buffed, this is going to be a net buff to real snipers. Hell my calmmando with a NT-511 already can headshot + body shot any non-heavy suit, aside from brick tanked ak.0 but brick tanked ak.0 isn't going anywhere fast, much like a heavy. Even other Calmmando's in a proto variant will die with a headshot + body shot. If they do buff damage and headshot bonus, the sniper rifle will probably OHKO headshot any non-basic/sentinel heavy and fully damaged modded charged/thales might even start dropping proto assaults with a body shot. There's only a 10 damage difference from what I remember between my ishokune and my NT-511 which in terms of sniping doesn't really matter. To be honest I'm not sure why I even use the ishokune sometimes. I guess for that occasional adv assault suit that eats a headshot and ends up with like a sliver of hp left. The best thing for balance to stop noob red line sniping was to make the red line a bullet barrier. Until CCP figures out how to implement such a thing, i'll be enjoying ohkoing suits at 300-150 meters.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 722	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:53:00 - [27] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Yup, so op we're getting a damage buff lol i can live with a damage buff and HS multiplier buff as long as you snipers are not able to sit in the redline or atleast soo deep in the redline you are almost in the map next door :P And those of us who don't sit in the redline will be probably be screwed over by an over nerf of our range and no perches within whatever range they move us too (most are around 300-400m) This. oh And once again Apothecary you are wrong. op means over-powered if that were the case they would not be giving us more power! they are reducing the range because of players like you that can't deal with them. there are players in this game who don't rely on the red line for safety when they snipe. they are the ONLY ones this will affect. you will still get those red line snipers. or do you think that people who play for safety will suddenly see the error of their ways? snipers have been so under-powered for so long that they are a joke. this will just make it worse. they are takeing away range.. that is a nerf in its self due to how deep in the redline snipers could be. while to compensate they gave a damage buff to minimize the QQ and whine [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1228	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:57:00 - [28] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets.. CCP Rattati wrote: Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter. this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum. ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along. That's not saying that snipers are OP, it's saying that snipers hiding in the red line is a problem and I agree. Snipers whine about how they 'cant kill anything', but they don't ever want to give up range for more damage - no they just want more damage so they can continue to play without any risk at all. The biggest current issue is that the only 'counter' to a redline sniper is another sniper, and even then the red line sniper takes one shot and runs the hell away. My suggestion - Drop sniper rifle range to 400m (from 600m), increase base sniper rifle damage by about 45, increase headshot multiplier by a little. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 722	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:58:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i was right all along..suck it you bitter-vets.. CCP Rattati wrote: Snipers - We simply cannot have snipers so far away in the redzone they cannot be touched, while also being immune to countersniping. However, we also want to improve the Improved headshot damage, decreased range, improved damage. We have been studying Domination maps, and some of the farthest redline sniper spots that can camp the Objective to get a good gauge of the situation. There cannot be a risk free way of playing the game, for each role there must be a counter. this quote comes from the notes about delta on the features and ideas forum. ps.. please do QQ and whine.. it will just make your tears all that much more sweet knowing i was right all along. That's not saying that snipers are OP, it's saying that snipers hiding in the red line is a problem and I agree. Snipers whine about how they 'cant kill anything', but they don't ever want to give up range for more damage - no they just want more damage so they can continue to play without any risk at all. My suggestion - Drop sniper rifle range to 400m (from 600m), increase base sniper rifle damage by about 45, increase headshot multiplier by a little. it clearly states immune to countersnipeing and Risk free. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1228	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:00:00 - [30] - Quote That doesn't mean its overpowered. It means exactly what it says. Risk free. Snipers only current counter is other snipers and quite frequently they find spots where there is simply no easy way to shoot at them. Rattati want's to get snipers onto the battlefield, instead of hiding in the redline and then because they're in the 'meat grinder' with the other roles they can get the damage buffs they've whined about for so long. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.



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