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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:12:00 -
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Hey Guys,
General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) (please comment on the video and the forums if possible :) )
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:32:00 -
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That was funny as ****.
The only thing OP is the power of skill points. Once you break through those barriers and have over 30mill, then you just become innately better. I'll never get there.
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:36:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:That was funny as ****.
The only thing OP is the power of skill points. Once you break through those barriers and have over 30mill, then you just become innately better. I'll never get there.
EDIT: Your killboard showed 42 kills, but you list 43 kills in the youtube vid?
I went through the vid an paused at every kill a few times, it's 43 as far as I could tell... or I made a mistake. If anyone has the patience to triple check for me I'd appreciate it. I think a kill was missed off the final score though
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medomai grey
WarRavens
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:44:00 -
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Your video does not make an argument for or against scrambler rifles being OP. There is no discussion of balance, mechanics, comparisons made to other rifles, etc.
Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general.
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:28:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight
Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your ****
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:40:00 -
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Dont need to watch the video to know the SCR is OP. This has been the case for a long time. I just dealt with it. But seeing as though RR arguments existed in almost the same plane as SCR without SCRs being properly looked at, I think its time we do so in the effort of balance.
Archistrategos
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:44:00 -
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I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:50:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud
Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer?
Archistrategos
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:55:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:01:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud
You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU.
When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct.
Archistrategos
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:01:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud lolololololololololololololololololololo
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:17:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU. When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct. wut?
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:20:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU. When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct. Not just cal any shield tankers
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CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:21:00 -
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That fight at the doorway happened to me before. It was FW, but it was just the simple socket without the highpoints. Me vs 11 red berries. It was awesome, had my commando with remotes and set them everytime they tried to climb out or scrambled them when they rushed out. Honestly my most memorable game with the ScR and Shotgun Commando.
"Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:28:00 -
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Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about.
I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud.
Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it?
Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards.
Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR.
Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud.
Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance
Archistrategos
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:31:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about.
I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud.
Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it?
Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards.
Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR.
Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud.
Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
Pokemon master!
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
2023
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:35:00 -
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Night 5talker 514 wrote:Hey Guys,
General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills)
snip A huge number of weapon complaints since closed beta were about the protoypes of various weapons. That also doesn't smaller if it meant the weapon was OP or people were forced to use them to be competitive.
The video was very enjoyable, so thank you. I appreciate the amount of details given although I'd like to know if or how many light complex damage mods fitted?
Aside the tactical movements of the Sentinels & Scouts were mostly terrible. Trying breach tight CQB areas with no armor or advancing on open ground with a short range weapon? They were spoon feeding you kills except for that one spot in the stairwell when it appeared like hit-detection might have glitched bad.
Maybe a video using an ADV Frame and ScR?
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
241
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:38:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about.
I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud.
Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it?
Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards.
Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR.
Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud.
Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
I've seen alot of your posts and have yet to come across one that is actually constructive.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:39:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Zindorak wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about.
I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud.
Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it?
Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards.
Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR.
Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud.
Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR I've seen alot of your posts and have yet to come across one that is actually constructive. lol im just plain honest
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:41:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your ****
you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:45:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud
I feel that the RR QQ run Amarr Ass with OP ScR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You run stacked armour plates?? well thanks my RR will track your slow ass much easier +50
I love the forum for still being biased.. it's not like balance has been back and forth since beta due to it.. 0o The mercs will never be happy... and most of them are too in love with crutches to admit what over-performs. If you run the AScR then good on you.. but the Viziam is every bit as dirty as a Kaalakiota..
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:47:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud I feel that the RR QQ run Amarr Ass with OP ScR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You run stacked armour plates?? well thanks my RR will track your slow ass much easier +50 I love the forum for still being biased.. it's not like balance has been back and forth since beta due to it.. 0o The mercs will never be happy... and most of them are too in love with crutches to admit what over-performs. If you run the AScR then good on you.. but the Viziam is every bit as dirty as a Kaalakiota.. You got me there lol straight to the point and honest no bs i like you
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CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:51:00 -
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Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding.
In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR.
With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire.
People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that.
I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP.
Archistrategos
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:52:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.26 23:54:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0
Ok
Archistrategos
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:45:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR
People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0 Ok The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates
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CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:51:00 -
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Reserved.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:02:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates Debates about what? The RR being OP?
Micheal Ark's post had no assertion about RRs being OP, nor did it provide any claim (or counterclaim) to such an assertion. When you consider how your post didn't either, one could only wonder if you're:
- Talking out of your rear
- Have no idea of what you're talking about
- Attempting to goad others without any real objective.
Something tells me it's a mix of all the above.
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Zindorak wrote:The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates Debates about what? The RR being OP? Micheal Ark's post had no assertion about RRs being OP, nor did it provide any claim (or counterclaim) to such an assertion. When you consider how your post didn't either, one could only wonder if you're:
- Talking out of your rear
- Have no idea of what you're talking about
- Attempting to goad others without any real objective.
Something tells me it's a mix of all the above. School u kno
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:12:00 -
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Like a few people have said all I see is proto slaughter in this video. Proto vs STD suits. but all proto is OP against STD thats how it was intended. Also I see him getting a lot of headshots. Not finishing headshots but headshots none the less. So that also adds to the ease of killing. |
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