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Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 289	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:12:00 - [1] - Quote Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) (please comment on the video and the forums if possible :) ) [Video]DUST 514 - Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight - Amarr Assault (Post Charlie) Please Like, Fav & Subscribe if you want to see more :) Season 2: Casual Dusting - Season 2 - General Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Fitting Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Tactics Playlist Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 380	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote That was funny as ****. The only thing OP is the power of skill points. Once you break through those barriers and have over 30mill, then you just become innately better. I'll never get there. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 290	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:36:00 - [3] - Quote sabre prime wrote: That was funny as ****. The only thing OP is the power of skill points. Once you break through those barriers and have over 30mill, then you just become innately better. I'll never get there. EDIT: Your killboard showed 42 kills, but you list 43 kills in the youtube vid? I went through the vid an paused at every kill a few times, it's 43 as far as I could tell... or I made a mistake. If anyone has the patience to triple check for me I'd appreciate it. I think a kill was missed off the final score though Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
medomai grey WarRavens 928	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:44:00 - [4] - Quote Your video does not make an argument for or against scrambler rifles being OP. There is no discussion of balance, mechanics, comparisons made to other rifles, etc. Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3374	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your ** They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Michael Arck 5274	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:40:00 - [6] - Quote Dont need to watch the video to know the SCR is OP. This has been the case for a long time. I just dealt with it. But seeing as though RR arguments existed in almost the same plane as SCR without SCRs being properly looked at, I think its time we do so in the effort of balance. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 683	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:44:00 - [7] - Quote I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Michael Arck 5275	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:50:00 - [8] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3015	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:55:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Tanker/Logi/Assault
Michael Arck 5275	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU. When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*

Zindorak 1.U.P 685	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:01:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud lolololololololololololololololololololo Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3015	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:17:00 - [12] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU. When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct. wut? Tanker/Logi/Assault
Zindorak 1.U.P 687	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:20:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud Could you express what you're saying a bit clearer? I'll translate: I feel that the ScR QQ'ers run Cal Assault with the OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You dont need to translate but express yourself clearer. That srntence doesnt express your viewpoint clearly. Judging by the context, I think you're saying Cal players need to HTFU. When Im by a keyboard. I will express why I think you're ignorant in the matter if what I think you're saying is correct. Not just cal any shield tankers Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 747	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:21:00 - [14] - Quote That fight at the doorway happened to me before. It was FW, but it was just the simple socket without the highpoints. Me vs 11 red berries. It was awesome, had my commando with remotes and set them everytime they tried to climb out or scrambled them when they rushed out. Honestly my most memorable game with the ScR and Shotgun Commando. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Michael Arck 5275	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:28:00 - [15] - Quote Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about. I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud. Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it? Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards. Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR. Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud. Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 688	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:31:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about. I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud. Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it? Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards. Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR. Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud. Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2023	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:35:00 - [17] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) snip A huge number of weapon complaints since closed beta were about the protoypes of various weapons. That also doesn't smaller if it meant the weapon was OP or people were forced to use them to be competitive. The video was very enjoyable, so thank you. I appreciate the amount of details given although I'd like to know if or how many light complex damage mods fitted? Aside the tactical movements of the Sentinels & Scouts were mostly terrible. Trying breach tight CQB areas with no armor or advancing on open ground with a short range weapon? They were spoon feeding you kills except for that one spot in the stairwell when it appeared like hit-detection might have glitched bad. Maybe a video using an ADV Frame and ScR? I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 241	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:38:00 - [18] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about. I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud. Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it? Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards. Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR. Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud. Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR I've seen alot of your posts and have yet to come across one that is actually constructive.
Zindorak 1.U.P 689	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:39:00 - [19] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about. I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud. Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it? Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards. Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR. Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud. Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR I've seen alot of your posts and have yet to come across one that is actually constructive. lol im just plain honest Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 189	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:41:00 - [20] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your **** you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1191	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:45:00 - [21] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud I feel that the RR QQ run Amarr Ass with OP ScR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You run stacked armour plates?? well thanks my RR will track your slow ass much easier +50 I love the forum for still being biased.. it's not like balance has been back and forth since beta due to it.. 0o The mercs will never be happy... and most of them are too in love with crutches to admit what over-performs. If you run the AScR then good on you.. but the Viziam is every bit as dirty as a Kaalakiota.. Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Zindorak 1.U.P 689	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:47:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud I feel that the RR QQ run Amarr Ass with OP ScR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud You run stacked armour plates?? well thanks my RR will track your slow ass much easier +50 I love the forum for still being biased.. it's not like balance has been back and forth since beta due to it.. 0o The mercs will never be happy... and most of them are too in love with crutches to admit what over-performs. If you run the AScR then good on you.. but the Viziam is every bit as dirty as a Kaalakiota.. You got me there lol straight to the point and honest no bs i like you Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Michael Arck 5275	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:51:00 - [23] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 689	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:52:00 - [24] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0 Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Michael Arck 5275	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:54:00 - [25] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0 Ok Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Zindorak 1.U.P 692	Posted - 2014.08.27 01:45:00 - [26] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Zindorak wrote: Use the ARR less scruby then i won't complain. Maybe only if they get annoying to deal with like the RR People crack me up with those opinions thrown around. "I use such and such because its hardmode. What you use is scrub mode". It shows a lack of insight and understanding. In all seriousness, the ARR, by your supposed definition, is actually a scrub weapon. You have to just point and shoot. With its high damage rate, you can really do some damage with a ARR. With an RR, because of its projectile fire, you have to lead your targets at the cost of losing precious ammo because of the way it fires if facing against a good strafing player who doesn't run in the same pattern. Plus with the damage reduction, you shots have to hit the mark or you find yourself vulnerable to fire. People who complain about RR are being silly. The RR is nowhere near what it was once it was first introduced. I don't think you were around for that. I also guess you're not a shield tanker, so of course a SCR is not annoying to you and of course you don't see how its OP. wat i feel its harder to get kills with ARR than RR o-0 Ok The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Atiim 11644	Posted - 2014.08.27 01:51:00 - [27] - Quote Reserved. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim 11644	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:02:00 - [28] - Quote Zindorak wrote: The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates Debates about what? The RR being OP? Micheal Ark's post had no assertion about RRs being OP, nor did it provide any claim (or counterclaim) to such an assertion. When you consider how your post didn't either, one could only wonder if you're: Talking out of your rear Have no idea of what you're talking about Attempting to goad others without any real objective. Something tells me it's a mix of all the above. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Zindorak 1.U.P 692	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:02:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Zindorak wrote: The kick doe. Thanks for prepping me for debates Debates about what? The RR being OP? Micheal Ark's post had no assertion about RRs being OP, nor did it provide any claim (or counterclaim) to such an assertion. When you consider how your post didn't either, one could only wonder if you're: Talking out of your rear Have no idea of what you're talking about Attempting to goad others without any real objective. Something tells me it's a mix of all the above. School u kno Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:12:00 - [30] - Quote Like a few people have said all I see is proto slaughter in this video. Proto vs STD suits. but all proto is OP against STD thats how it was intended. Also I see him getting a lot of headshots. Not finishing headshots but headshots none the less. So that also adds to the ease of killing.

Zindorak 1.U.P 693	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:14:00 - [31] - Quote Nowz that i tink about it the RR isn't as op as i thought its just everyone uses it and it does high damage at a very good range Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
ratamaq doc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 791	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:37:00 - [32] - Quote Only thing that seemed OP in that video is the mouse turn speed. I'm jealous of that. I use the ScR, so I know how powerful it is, but I only use it with suits that have side arms because it's death without one. The way you can tell that the ScR is not truly OP is by what you get killed by most of the time. I notice every ScR death because it floors me when someone has the balls to use MY weapon on me. And that happens once or twice in a night of playing tops. I see no dominate weapon any more. I seem to be killed equally by RRs, CRs, HMGs, ARs, SGs, in that order. ScRs, MDs, NKs, and LRs are way at the bottom of the primaries. Hell I thing I get sniped by forge guns more than I get dropped by an ScR. That tells me that the weapon is in the right place because it takes dedication to use considering how good it actually is vs it's low usage. If this community wants to prove its OP, then everybody should pick it up and make it the new meta. Until then, keep using your spray and pray weapons and leave the trigger happy, field snipers alone. YouTube
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 2187	Posted - 2014.08.27 02:48:00 - [33] - Quote X-post from Assault ak.0 Registry pertaining to Night Stalkers video, thought I'd chime in my thoughts on the discussion: You make a very good point man, I go an average of 20 kills every pub game but thats because I am shooting at, like you said, Militia, STD and dumb shield tankers. When I do kill an armor based suit, let alone a proto variant, it is always with high degrees of heat management and dictating the rules of engagement through superior positioning and often times; violent strafing lol Pubs are a horrible, horrible way to analyze any type of suit/weapon and people should be very careful to judge performance based on how well it does in Pubs (looking at you too, CCP). I have been an ak.0 user ever since it got introduced and I still run it in PCs; the only true environment where you get to see if a weapon, suit or combination of both is truly OP, and what happens when you put multiples of a particular powerful combo at play. And I can tell you that the Amarr Assault is not as OP in comparison to things like the Burst HMG for example, it is only when put in an environment where 300EHP and under suits are running about that it seems to be punching way above their weight class. I still think my CR is way more powerful and reliable than my ScR is, it is comparatively far easier to fit, requires no sorts of "management' in the weapon's mechanics side, did I mention it doesn't take 20 PG to fit? why do you think I have Optimization 5 for the ScR. Consider the fact that I have the Amarr Assault, Amarr Sentinel and Min/Gal/Cal Scout, all set up as slayer suits so I attempt to make my opinion as objective as I can. I fear that the emergent popularity of the suit and CCP's "ingenious" PUB-based data mining will cause them to make sweeping changes like they always do and just restart the vicious cycle of nerf-induced FOTM The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4694	Posted - 2014.08.27 03:18:00 - [34] - Quote You kept using your SMG after taking out shields. PRO TIP: Keep firing until you're about to overheat, THEN switch to the SMG to finish off the remainder of their HP (or cook a grenade behind cover to alpha a heavy's armor even more) 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Ace Boone Pure Evil. 264	Posted - 2014.08.27 03:29:00 - [35] - Quote The ScR is a horribly average weapon if not used on an Amarr Assault. I can go 40+ kills in a pub using an Amarr Assault. If I throw it on a scout it's a totally different ball game. It's not the ScR, it's the Amarr Assault. Only loyal to the republic.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3376	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:18:00 - [36] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your ** you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles I run the ACR, all the scram users will move to the BCR, I have nothing to fear, except maybe a balance to the damage profile, though I'll probably still rejoice. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:37:00 - [37] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Night 5talker 514 wrote: Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) snip A huge number of weapon complaints since closed beta were about the protoypes of various weapons. That also doesn't indicate if the weapon was OP or people were forced to use them to be competitive. The video was very enjoyable, so thank you. I appreciate the amount of details given although I'd like to know if or how many light complex damage mods were fitted? Aside the tactical movements of the Sentinels & Scouts were mostly terrible. Trying breach tight CQB areas with no armor or advancing on open ground with a short range weapon? They were spoon feeding you kills except for that one spot in the stairwell when it appeared like hit-detection might have glitched bad. Maybe a video using an ADV Frame and ScR? Edit: Feck'n auto correct. Thanks, really appreciate it! There were no damage mods fitted, I have prof 4 in both weapons however. Also, I've been using the ScR since the day it came out so am severely aware of what it can and can't do. I'll do a fitting video soon about this fit ^^ Agreed, they were essentially feeding me kills due to what I assume was their frustration. I personally feel the data mining of pub matches doesn't truly indicate if a weapon is op or not. People saying "the numbers say it's being over used" maybe have not been in a lot of PC battles where against proper fits you really start to see how the ScR performs. The problem I tried to highlight here in this video is that It's maybe getting over used due to the match making or the suits people are using. In the case of the video, the suits people were using, the poor decisions made and perhaps my experience with logi support lead to what could, on the surface, look OP. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:41:00 - [38] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: You kept using your SMG after taking out shields. PRO TIP: Keep firing until you're about to overheat, THEN switch to the SMG to finish off the remainder of their HP (or cook a grenade behind cover to alpha a heavy's armor even more) hehe I'm preparing for a nerf so trying to get used to simply switching as soon as the enemy is in armour so when a nerf happens I am still effective (hopefully haha) Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:45:00 - [39] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Like a few people have said all I see is proto slaughter in this video. Proto vs STD suits. but all proto is OP against STD thats how it was intended. Also I see him getting a lot of headshots. Not finishing headshots but headshots none the less. So that also adds to the ease of killing. Aim small miss small is my philosophy Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:53:00 - [40] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Your video does not make an argument for or against scrambler rifles being OP. There is no discussion of balance, mechanics, comparisons made to other rifles, etc. Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general. The problem I tried to highlight here in this video is that It's maybe getting over used due to the match making or the suits people are using. In the case of the video, the suits people were using, the poor decisions made and perhaps my experience with logi support lead to what could, on the surface, look OP. Take into account CCP is mining data from pub matches where many, many people use std and adv fits. Those of us using proto are decimating them. I feel as a result the data mining is being twisted somewhat out of shape. If I look at PC matches I've played I am 9/10 times the only ScR user on the field. The fact that you say "Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general." Is my point exactly. With CCP mining data from these situations over and over again the end result will be distorted. This I feel is incorrect, perhaps if match making were better (for example) ccp could mine data from somewhat less unbiased situations. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel

Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:54:00 - [41] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your **** you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles haha, already skilled into it and have prof 4 ready. I use it on my commando fits for armour targets and ScR just to strip the shields. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 632	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:04:00 - [42] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your ** we should hand out free lube and Hemorrhoid cream for all the butthurt to come [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah**
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 392	Posted - 2014.08.27 17:36:00 - [43] - Quote Yeah, of course it's OP. That's why you see so many of them in the killfeed. It's a selective fire weapon that causes considerable feedback damage if overheated. Using it well requires good timing and environmental awareness (ie, take cover during cool down). It's hipfire is terrible past 30m, and it truly does have its work cut out for it against heavily armored enemies. CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight What does this even mean? That there's more players using the ScR? Or that the ones using it are using it to greater effect? I'm inclined to think it's the latter because, again, I don't see many ScRs in the killfeed.
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 296	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:10:00 - [44] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Yeah, of course it's OP. That's why you see so many of them in the killfeed. It's a selective fire weapon that causes considerable feedback damage if overheated. Using it well requires good timing and environmental awareness (ie, take cover during cool down). It's hipfire is terrible past 30m, and it truly does have its work cut out for it against heavily armored enemies. CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight What does this even mean? That there's more players using the ScR? Or that the ones using it are using it to greater effect? I'm inclined to think it's the latter because, again, I don't see many ScRs in the killfeed. I hope it's the latter also ^^ Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3350	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:24:00 - [45] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud The only QQ I do is about the ASCR sucking ass. I use cal assault, but I have all assaults proto. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1267	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:47:00 - [46] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about. I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud. Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it? Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards. Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR. Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud. Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance for the love of god why do people keep saying that there gun was nerfed but the scrambler rifle was left untouched. a while back ALL THE RIFLES WERE NERFED including the scrambler rifle in a effort to raise time to kill. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
2k2y Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:40:00 - [47] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) (please comment on the video and the forums if possible :) ) [Video]DUST 514 - Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight - Amarr Assault (Post Charlie) Please Like, Fav & Subscribe if you want to see more :) Season 2: Casual Dusting - Season 2 - General Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Fitting Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Tactics Playlist Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed.
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 299	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:08:00 - [48] - Quote 2k2y wrote: Night 5talker 514 wrote: Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) (please comment on the video and the forums if possible :) ) [Video]DUST 514 - Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight - Amarr Assault (Post Charlie) Please Like, Fav & Subscribe if you want to see more :) Season 2: Casual Dusting - Season 2 - General Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Fitting Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Tactics Playlist Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed. Hey, thanks for the suggestion. Actually gonna be doing that very soon as I've had a few people request it :) Think I will do one vid with the assault and one with the commando if possible ^^ Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
2k2y Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:18:00 - [49] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: 2k2y wrote: Night 5talker 514 wrote: Hey Guys, General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills) (please comment on the video and the forums if possible :) ) [Video]DUST 514 - Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight - Amarr Assault (Post Charlie) Please Like, Fav & Subscribe if you want to see more :) Season 2: Casual Dusting - Season 2 - General Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Fitting Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Spotlight Playlist Casual Dusting - Season 2 - Tactics Playlist Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed. Hey, thanks for the suggestion. Actually gonna be doing that very soon as I've had a few people request it :) Think I will do one vid with the assault and one with the commando if possible ^^ I'll be looking forward to it :)
Zindorak 1.U.P 706	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:56:00 - [50] - Quote Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces. Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad

xavier zor King and Queens Peacekeepers of High-Sec 15	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:38:00 - [51] - Quote The scrambler rifle is basically a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle with faster damage per second and a high ROF...with a small cooldown. The viziam SCR does like 90 DPs, higher rate of fire and the duvolle does 70/78 (I don't know exactly) with slower rate of fire. The small clip size makes up for the lack of cooldown. Instead of nerfing the weapon, please increase the scope zoom to make it either long range or hipfire
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 160	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:45:00 - [52] - Quote xavier zor wrote: The scrambler rifle is basically a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle with faster damage per second and a high ROF...with a small cooldown. The viziam SCR does like 90 DPs, higher rate of fire and the duvolle does 70/78 (I don't know exactly) with slower rate of fire. The small clip size makes up for the lack of cooldown. Instead of nerfing the weapon, please increase the scope zoom to make it either long range or hipfire Who told you the ScR does 90 damage? It actually does less damage per shot than the TAC AR.
ladwar SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 2085	Posted - 2014.08.29 03:50:00 - [53] - Quote Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 758	Posted - 2014.08.29 07:00:00 - [54] - Quote The only rifle that needs balancing is the AR. Anything within an out of 40m will beat it. Even the RR is better in the ARs range. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 299	Posted - 2014.08.29 07:44:00 - [55] - Quote ladwar wrote: Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it. Do you mean fix the ScR? I think it may be best as many others have mentioned to place a jamming feature into the game where such turbo or modded controller/kbm's are being used to mitigate their usage as other games have done. Better than nerfing the weapon, which may not be the root cause. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1729	Posted - 2014.08.29 08:01:00 - [56] - Quote Night 5talker 514 wrote: ladwar wrote: Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it. Do you mean fix the ScR? I think it may be best as many others have mentioned to place a jamming feature into the game where such turbo or modded controller/kbm's are being used to mitigate their usage as other games have done. Better than nerfing the weapon, which may not be the root cause. I agree on that, with the weapon itself is nothing wrong, when used normally it requires a high degree of skill to be used and the weapon needs its Alpha Damage, because it's a Sprint weapon, not a Marathon its all up front or nothing beyond 2 seconds of operation. If they wanna fix it and i mean really fix it, make it jam on turbo controllers, if they wanna appease the mass of whiny b*tches they will nerf it into the ground like they did with the Tactical. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Blacklight (PS4)"
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.08.29 11:40:00 - [57] - Quote current TAR and burst combat rifle deal similar amounts of dps without the drawback of overheat. the TAR has horrible kick and much shorter range though...
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 909	Posted - 2014.08.29 14:49:00 - [58] - Quote To fix the modded controller issue CCP needs to make the overheat add up per shoot instead of overtime like it does now. This heat over time mechanic they have now is why mode controllers can fire more shoots before overheat than a human finger can. Or they need to make a jamming mechanic for any unnaturally rythmic firing, aka, modded controller. If they are unwilling or incapable to fix the modded controller issue and decide to just nerf the ScR because of no talent modded controller dbags I will quit Dust, cancel my three EVE accounts and wave goodbye to CCP forever. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Ripcord19981 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 588	Posted - 2014.08.29 15:34:00 - [59] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces. standard cr could chew u up to peaces, so can a nova knife, or even scrambler in the right hands. Whats your point? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:50:00 - [60] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: Zindorak wrote: Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces. standard cr could chew u up to peaces, so can a nova knife, or even scrambler in the right hands. Whats your point? also skills make a large impact. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel



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