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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:14:00 -
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Nowz that i tink about it the RR isn't as op as i thought its just everyone uses it and it does high damage at a very good range
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ratamaq doc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:37:00 -
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Only thing that seemed OP in that video is the mouse turn speed. I'm jealous of that. I use the ScR, so I know how powerful it is, but I only use it with suits that have side arms because it's death without one.
The way you can tell that the ScR is not truly OP is by what you get killed by most of the time. I notice every ScR death because it floors me when someone has the balls to use MY weapon on me. And that happens once or twice in a night of playing tops. I see no dominate weapon any more. I seem to be killed equally by RRs, CRs, HMGs, ARs, SGs, in that order. ScRs, MDs, NKs, and LRs are way at the bottom of the primaries. Hell I thing I get sniped by forge guns more than I get dropped by an ScR.
That tells me that the weapon is in the right place because it takes dedication to use considering how good it actually is vs it's low usage. If this community wants to prove its OP, then everybody should pick it up and make it the new meta. Until then, keep using your spray and pray weapons and leave the trigger happy, field snipers alone.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:48:00 -
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X-post from Assault ak.0 Registry pertaining to Night Stalkers video, thought I'd chime in my thoughts on the discussion:
You make a very good point man, I go an average of 20 kills every pub game but thats because I am shooting at, like you said, Militia, STD and dumb shield tankers. When I do kill an armor based suit, let alone a proto variant, it is always with high degrees of heat management and dictating the rules of engagement through superior positioning and often times; violent strafing lol
Pubs are a horrible, horrible way to analyze any type of suit/weapon and people should be very careful to judge performance based on how well it does in Pubs (looking at you too, CCP). I have been an ak.0 user ever since it got introduced and I still run it in PCs; the only true environment where you get to see if a weapon, suit or combination of both is truly OP, and what happens when you put multiples of a particular powerful combo at play. And I can tell you that the Amarr Assault is not as OP in comparison to things like the Burst HMG for example, it is only when put in an environment where 300EHP and under suits are running about that it seems to be punching way above their weight class.
I still think my CR is way more powerful and reliable than my ScR is, it is comparatively far easier to fit, requires no sorts of "management' in the weapon's mechanics side, did I mention it doesn't take 20 PG to fit? why do you think I have Optimization 5 for the ScR. Consider the fact that I have the Amarr Assault, Amarr Sentinel and Min/Gal/Cal Scout, all set up as slayer suits so I attempt to make my opinion as objective as I can.
I fear that the emergent popularity of the suit and CCP's "ingenious" PUB-based data mining will cause them to make sweeping changes like they always do and just restart the vicious cycle of nerf-induced FOTM
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:18:00 -
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You kept using your SMG after taking out shields.
PRO TIP: Keep firing until you're about to overheat, THEN switch to the SMG to finish off the remainder of their HP (or cook a grenade behind cover to alpha a heavy's armor even more)
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Ace Boone
Pure Evil.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:29:00 -
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The ScR is a horribly average weapon if not used on an Amarr Assault.
I can go 40+ kills in a pub using an Amarr Assault. If I throw it on a scout it's a totally different ball game. It's not the ScR, it's the Amarr Assault.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:18:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your **** you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles
I run the ACR, all the scram users will move to the BCR, I have nothing to fear, except maybe a balance to the damage profile, though I'll probably still rejoice.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:37:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Night 5talker 514 wrote:Hey Guys,
General Discussion: Do you think the scrambler is OP after watching the video? (check the video comments before replying - I've listed all the kills)
snip A huge number of weapon complaints since closed beta were about the protoypes of various weapons. That also doesn't indicate if the weapon was OP or people were forced to use them to be competitive. The video was very enjoyable, so thank you. I appreciate the amount of details given although I'd like to know if or how many light complex damage mods were fitted? Aside the tactical movements of the Sentinels & Scouts were mostly terrible. Trying breach tight CQB areas with no armor or advancing on open ground with a short range weapon? They were spoon feeding you kills except for that one spot in the stairwell when it appeared like hit-detection might have glitched bad. Maybe a video using an ADV Frame and ScR? Edit: Feck'n auto correct.
Thanks, really appreciate it! There were no damage mods fitted, I have prof 4 in both weapons however. Also, I've been using the ScR since the day it came out so am severely aware of what it can and can't do.
I'll do a fitting video soon about this fit ^^
Agreed, they were essentially feeding me kills due to what I assume was their frustration.
I personally feel the data mining of pub matches doesn't truly indicate if a weapon is op or not. People saying "the numbers say it's being over used" maybe have not been in a lot of PC battles where against proper fits you really start to see how the ScR performs.
The problem I tried to highlight here in this video is that It's maybe getting over used due to the match making or the suits people are using. In the case of the video, the suits people were using, the poor decisions made and perhaps my experience with logi support lead to what could, on the surface, look OP.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:41:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:You kept using your SMG after taking out shields.
PRO TIP: Keep firing until you're about to overheat, THEN switch to the SMG to finish off the remainder of their HP (or cook a grenade behind cover to alpha a heavy's armor even more)
hehe I'm preparing for a nerf so trying to get used to simply switching as soon as the enemy is in armour so when a nerf happens I am still effective (hopefully haha)
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:45:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:Like a few people have said all I see is proto slaughter in this video. Proto vs STD suits. but all proto is OP against STD thats how it was intended. Also I see him getting a lot of headshots. Not finishing headshots but headshots none the less. So that also adds to the ease of killing.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:53:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Your video does not make an argument for or against scrambler rifles being OP. There is no discussion of balance, mechanics, comparisons made to other rifles, etc.
Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general.
The problem I tried to highlight here in this video is that It's maybe getting over used due to the match making or the suits people are using. In the case of the video, the suits people were using, the poor decisions made and perhaps my experience with logi support lead to what could, on the surface, look OP.
Take into account CCP is mining data from pub matches where many, many people use std and adv fits. Those of us using proto are decimating them. I feel as a result the data mining is being twisted somewhat out of shape. If I look at PC matches I've played I am 9/10 times the only ScR user on the field.
The fact that you say "Furthermore the narrator is using all proto gear with logistic support against adv. and basic, making it difficult to gauge the overall effectiveness of scrambler rifles in general." Is my point exactly. With CCP mining data from these situations over and over again the end result will be distorted. This I feel is incorrect, perhaps if match making were better (for example) ccp could mine data from somewhat less unbiased situations.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:54:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your **** you should prepare your anus for all the scram users skilling into combat rifles
haha, already skilled into it and have prof 4 ready. I use it on my commando fits for armour targets and ScR just to strip the shields.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:04:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight Yes the ScR is OP and the data shows it! Prepare your **** we should hand out free lube and Hemorrhoid cream for all the butthurt to come
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CRNWLLC
Gangsta Gank
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:36:00 -
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Yeah, of course it's OP. That's why you see so many of them in the killfeed.
It's a selective fire weapon that causes considerable feedback damage if overheated. Using it well requires good timing and environmental awareness (ie, take cover during cool down). It's hipfire is terrible past 30m, and it truly does have its work cut out for it against heavily armored enemies.
CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight What does this even mean? That there's more players using the ScR? Or that the ones using it are using it to greater effect? I'm inclined to think it's the latter because, again, I don't see many ScRs in the killfeed. |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:10:00 -
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CRNWLLC wrote:Yeah, of course it's OP. That's why you see so many of them in the killfeed. It's a selective fire weapon that causes considerable feedback damage if overheated. Using it well requires good timing and environmental awareness (ie, take cover during cool down). It's hipfire is terrible past 30m, and it truly does have its work cut out for it against heavily armored enemies. CCP Rattati wrote:Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...Straight What does this even mean? That there's more players using the ScR? Or that the ones using it are using it to greater effect? I'm inclined to think it's the latter because, again, I don't see many ScRs in the killfeed.
I hope it's the latter also ^^
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:24:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I feel that the ScR QQ run Cal Assault with OP RR. They need to HTFU and Git Gud The only QQ I do is about the ASCR sucking ass. I use cal assault, but I have all assaults proto.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:47:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Ah, I couldn't see someone else responded. Couldn't see that on my mobile while out and about.
I think the Caldari players handled the SCR pretty well for a long time. Most of my squadmates and corpmates were Caldari and we would always warn our brothers of who were the SCR users on the battlefield, never taking them straight on. I might see a complaint here and there, back then on the forums, but it wasn't that loud.
Also Caldari players had limited weapon choices. For me, since my origin was assault, it was the AR. The GEK was trusty and we dealt with players complaining about that until its nerf. The old saying "to beat a thing, you must become that thing" didn't work with us. To use a SCR was pointless and to many, it wasn't Caldari so why use it?
Then we finally got our prize weapon, the RR. And boy, did people band together to get that nerfed. We looked at the complaints baffled. For so long we dealt with LRs and SCRs that melted us like hot butter but oh no, the RR is too OP and we must change that. Gotta love those double standards.
Still, even after the nerf of RR, folks still didn't complain about SCR as much as people who faced our RR. But words keep getting tossed around such as "in the effort of balance". Well, if we going to talk about a balance, then SCR needs to be put on that chopping block as well. It has had a nice run, especially the Viziam. But its not on par with other rifles. To simply say "git gud" is stupid. That mentality should have been there when you complained about the RR.
Of course people might read that as a vindictive nerf, but on the contrary its not. True Caldari players have toughed it out on the battlefield against weapons that would absolutely decimate our shield defenses quickly while having their preferred dropsuits and weapons nerfed because the opposition or better yet, General Discussions, wouldn't git gud.
Besides the background information in response to Caldari players need to stop QQing quote, which we have not for the longest of time, the SCR needs to be looked at in the effort of balance for the love of god why do people keep saying that there gun was nerfed but the scrambler rifle was left untouched. a while back ALL THE RIFLES WERE NERFED including the scrambler rifle in a effort to raise time to kill.
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2k2y
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:40:00 -
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Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed. |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:08:00 -
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2k2y wrote:Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed.
Hey, thanks for the suggestion. Actually gonna be doing that very soon as I've had a few people request it :) Think I will do one vid with the assault and one with the commando if possible ^^
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2k2y
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:18:00 -
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Night 5talker 514 wrote:2k2y wrote:Maybe you could do another video about the laser rifle. I think the last time you uploaded one to youtube was before it was buffed. Hey, thanks for the suggestion. Actually gonna be doing that very soon as I've had a few people request it :) Think I will do one vid with the assault and one with the commando if possible ^^ I'll be looking forward to it :) |
Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:56:00 -
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Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces.
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xavier zor
King and Queens Peacekeepers of High-Sec
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:38:00 -
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The scrambler rifle is basically a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle with faster damage per second and a high ROF...with a small cooldown.
The viziam SCR does like 90 DPs, higher rate of fire and the duvolle does 70/78 (I don't know exactly) with slower rate of fire. The small clip size makes up for the lack of cooldown.
Instead of nerfing the weapon, please increase the scope zoom to make it either long range or hipfire |
Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:45:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:The scrambler rifle is basically a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle with faster damage per second and a high ROF...with a small cooldown.
The viziam SCR does like 90 DPs, higher rate of fire and the duvolle does 70/78 (I don't know exactly) with slower rate of fire. The small clip size makes up for the lack of cooldown.
Instead of nerfing the weapon, please increase the scope zoom to make it either long range or hipfire Who told you the ScR does 90 damage? It actually does less damage per shot than the TAC AR. |
ladwar
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:50:00 -
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Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it.
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Spectre-M
The Generals Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:00:00 -
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The only rifle that needs balancing is the AR.
Anything within an out of 40m will beat it.
Even the RR is better in the ARs range.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:44:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it.
Do you mean fix the ScR? I think it may be best as many others have mentioned to place a jamming feature into the game where such turbo or modded controller/kbm's are being used to mitigate their usage as other games have done. Better than nerfing the weapon, which may not be the root cause.
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:01:00 -
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Night 5talker 514 wrote:ladwar wrote:Yup, just add a turbo or kbm. So fix it, fix it. Do you mean fix the ScR? I think it may be best as many others have mentioned to place a jamming feature into the game where such turbo or modded controller/kbm's are being used to mitigate their usage as other games have done. Better than nerfing the weapon, which may not be the root cause.
I agree on that, with the weapon itself is nothing wrong, when used normally it requires a high degree of skill to be used and the weapon needs its Alpha Damage, because it's a Sprint weapon, not a Marathon its all up front or nothing beyond 2 seconds of operation.
If they wanna fix it and i mean really fix it, make it jam on turbo controllers, if they wanna appease the mass of whiny b*tches they will nerf it into the ground like they did with the Tactical.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:40:00 -
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current TAR and burst combat rifle deal similar amounts of dps without the drawback of overheat. the TAR has horrible kick and much shorter range though... |
Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:49:00 -
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To fix the modded controller issue CCP needs to make the overheat add up per shoot instead of overtime like it does now. This heat over time mechanic they have now is why mode controllers can fire more shoots before overheat than a human finger can. Or they need to make a jamming mechanic for any unnaturally rythmic firing, aka, modded controller.
If they are unwilling or incapable to fix the modded controller issue and decide to just nerf the ScR because of no talent modded controller dbags I will quit Dust, cancel my three EVE accounts and wave goodbye to CCP forever.
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Ripcord19981
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:34:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces. standard cr could chew u up to peaces, so can a nova knife, or even scrambler in the right hands. Whats your point?
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:50:00 -
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Ripcord19981 wrote:Zindorak wrote:Nvm I used the RR and its pretty good at what it does. I just hate how a militia/standard one can chew you up to pieces. standard cr could chew u up to peaces, so can a nova knife, or even scrambler in the right hands. Whats your point? also skills make a large impact.
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