I'll join in, too! Proto missile launcher! I haven't touched my tanks since before 1.7, when they weren't super OP.

(It's no fun when you are OP!)

I do, however, have 3 mil sunk into turrets, 4.5 mil sunk into vehicle upgrades, and one mil into vehicle operation, (which does nothing for tanks, really.)

You have convinced me you have never faced a particle cannon before.

so only tankers should be listened to when CCP is making tank changes? lol

Uprising 1.7

Uprising 1.7

500k-700k in isk asset that shoot kisses and drive around the field to be instaganked by rifles.

It really is pathetic how people with no turret game,
Who don't even deserve to touch the steering wheel of a single dropship or tank,
With no sp in vehicles, Never had their wallet kick them in the balls (If they had any),
Never massacred dropsuits with a large rail,
Never flew a dropship for more then 5 minutes without exploding,
Who never saw the sexy red glow of a cannon turret,
Who never aimed a turret through the DUST of swarm fire, forges, and grenades
Who never kissed their ads or tank goodnight after a long day of not dying and made scrambled eggs in the morning for it, Have more than 0% of influence in what the devs do with any vehicular changes.

I've been in more PCs than you have pubs. I've 3 v 1 tankers from top corps and drove away with my turret smoking.

I like tanks where they're at now

the problem I have with these weenie pilots is them being able to hop out with their burst hmg while i'm trying to use AV

I totally agree 1.7 was one of the least fun times for tanking, while 1.5 was one of the best, despite the fact that tanks got 3-hit by swarms or forges.

See, because there was actual variation, and actually good fight.

I had 1v6 tanks in a dom and ended the battle without my shields ever dropping

Save e-peen stroking for the war room plz

I had 1v6 tanks in a dom and ended the battle without my shields ever dropping

Save e-peen stroking for the war room plz

1 v 6 militia tanks is soo easy, I thought I wouldn't even mention the 1 v 16 I had in pubs, pubs are laughable, just like your mom's face.

The fact that you must resort to rage shots over feats to compensate for your lack of forum pvp is laughable

Just like your life

^^(Coudn't resist)

EDIT: 1 v 16 has never happened due to blue(red)dots inability to think tactically outside of the motherships range

inability to think tactically outside of the motherships range

so only tankers should be listened to when CCP is making tank changes? lol

No, CCP doesn't listen to them at all when making vehicle changes.

If Vehicle Pilots were the only ones who had influence over how vehicles are balanced, the vehicles would become insanely overpowered and AV weapons would become non-factors against them, due to a large amount of Pilots that feel as if AV weapons should be non-factors against them.

Source: Uprising 1.7 - Hotfix Bravo

What comes to mind when you see the word "Real"?

Tanks are pretty legit right now. It's ADS that's ez mode

I agree with you.
But jokes aside I don't.
Vehicles don't really belong in dust, as it has attempted to go in the direction of being team based while users of vehicles rarely have teambased motives, or need to rely as much on them.
All they are is annoying, some combatable and some that barely is.
All they do is get kills in one way of another, making another way of getting many kills in a form of high reward low risk gameplay.
"Dropships" need to rely on a team to get things done, but their purpose leans far too much on being an offensive unit.
Assault "dropships" do not need to rely on a team, do not benefit from a team, hardly help a team, and have a highly excessive reward.
Assault "dropships" are nearly invincible. either through evasive maneuvers, shields that can survive forge ganking quite easily, or both.
It may take skill to fly a dropship, but this does not make up for the fact that an ADS player can basically wipe out entire teams if they wanted. Not many things can kill them besides a very strong railtank and forgers, in which super railtanks are rare and they know when a forgeteam is there and can nearly always run away.

Putting tanks in this game is unnecessary, as there are not many things that need such offensive power besides destroying installations, "dropships" or LAVs or other tanks.
LAVs are pretty solid, but their offensive capability is slim since the one manning the gun is way too exposed.
Sometimes their existence is for very ill purpose.
A sentinel is suppost to have the permanent drawback of being slow, and yet can make up for this by shooting down anyone they please in their highly mobile LAV.
It's also tactically displeasing to have one person in a LAV use scanners to give away the location of an entire team to a set amount of people.
The reason people have an influence on vehicles is because they are the majority.
If a minority like vehicles is negatively affecting too many players(The majority) something will be done about it, and it is exactly affecting the majority negatively.

So when dealing with AV only listen to av players?
Sounds great to me. I am totally ready to have my forge gun have a bonus vs vehicles :) I think it should also have at least a semi homing projectile that is like a magnet. The more metal on the vehicle the more it homes :)

What most people are reffering to here in response to your statement is a 'slippery slope'. You afterall here to win a game, so sure you may give a few mild buffs that might be needed (personally I think a fitting power buff is with reasonable limits).

But tankers will, slowly but surely, suggest increasingly powerful buffs and after a period of time the buffs stack up and you suddenly have tanks rolling round with 10,000 and 50% passive damage resistance to AV weaponry.

I guess the Tac AR was fine all along. So was the Caldari logi suit. And the flaylock. Seeing 90% Tac AR in a single match? They're just testing it, they weren't overpowered or anything.

In order to achieve balance, the opinion of more than he who pulls the trigger is required. Every person be they victim or perpetrator has a right ot give their opinion and back it up with reasonable evidence.

If CCP ever paid attention to vehicle users, they wouldn't've been made useless more than once. Listening to the section of people that don't use something to change that thing they don't use is not right. That would be like CCP taking pilots' opinions on dropsuit HP modules, and only their opinions. You really think tankers would let armor plates have decent HP gains?

You'll never hear a RR user admit he has too much damage for his range
You'll never hear an ScR user admit his ROF is too high
You'll never hear a BCR user admit his damage profile is unbalanced

Your attitude however from your OP, also goes to show why shouldn't listen just to tankers, your attitude towards non-pilot players is worse tha Spkr and Taki. If you wish to truly balance your playstyle you need input from the playstyles that are both countered by it amd counter to it.

Maybe if CCP listened to those 2 guys, who seemed to be tanks biggest defenders, then tankers as a whole wouldn't be in such a sinkhole.

Is this too complex for you to understand?

Maybe buff, like 100% more dmg to all AV weaponry. I'm being serious, most AV players don't know what the hell they are doing so they need this aid. And then those who are already good at AV wouldn't be any more of a threat because they can already do their job just fine.

I've read your posts within this thread, and your logic is that only users of an Item should be allowed to determine how said item is balanced, so with me being a dedicated SL user, I do meet this criteria.

Saying otherwise is a double-standard.

And you Sir Scrub should stop crying for the only things that can kill a tank to be nerfed, as if just because youhave a tank yur not supposed to be killed.

Scrubs STFU OR GTFO

Exactly, When dealing with tanks...Listen to the real tankers
When dealing with ads...Listen to the real ads piilots
When dealing with amarr logi... Listen to the real amarr logis
When dealing with etc. ...Listen to the real etc. players

Soulja 1v1 me I'll slay you out in front of your mom who I'm sure lives upstairs (get it? cause you live in your mom's basement)

Tank vs Tank, you can use whatever you want. SPOILER: I'm going to win.

I've been in more PCs than you have pubs. I've 3 v 1 tankers from top corps and drove away with my turret smoking.