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Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 230	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:20:00 - [1] - Quote The problem isn't the nerf bat, so much as It is the designated hitter with a batting average of .900 CCP has hired to swing it?! Every weapon they have nerfed has been rendered useless?! It's no wonder ScR users are up in arms. Just look at the AR and MD?! I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. When my AR got nerfed it was horrible. The real problem isn't the rifles, but CCP is too lazy and cheap to give the real fix. Make it to where modded controllers don't work on this game! I would go as far as to make the game all controller based due to the fact that kb/m players strafe far faster than they are rated, but that's another issue entirely. No modded controllers means no auto tact AR's, ScR's, or any other weapon. No nerfs needed! For those ScR users please understand that I'm not trying to kill your weapon of choice here, but instead trying to show you that cutting through a gal assault, with 602 armor and 194 shield, before I can attempt to move is ubsurd. That's what your modded controller brethren have done for you. They have turned the entire community against you for their own kd?! Then you come to the forums to unknowingly defend the rifle that you use completely oblivious to the fact that the guys you're arguing with are not talking about "normal" ScR's?! Nerf advocates! Stop being ********! Nerfs aren't good for anyone. Just because they completely destroyed the AR doesn't mean every weapon needs a turn at the plate?! Weapon balancing is being handled by CCP Rattati, since the neanderthal before him didn't actually test anything, and the information we give is vital to weapon balancing. Give the right info, and you won't have to nerf anything. Modded controllers, kb/m, and anything that offers altered reactions outside of what the original game intended is the problem. Put everyone on the same playing field, and then add weaponry with the various specialties. You can't honestly say anything isn't OP if players are using modded controllers can you? A normal ScR against Caldari fits does well, but add a modded controller and it looks like you got hit by a bus! The same goes for the RS-90 and Boundless CR. Some sound as if you have a six kin, but faster?! I remember the tact rifles and the way ppl abused em with the modded controllers?! It ruins the game. So let's advocate for the right fix guys! Don't doom the ScR to the same fate as so many other weapons just to have the modders move to the next cheat?! "Anybody order chaos?"
vincent FF7 514 sephiroth clones 11	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:21:00 - [2] - Quote The problem is.... every damn thing according.to the community.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San 891	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:28:00 - [3] - Quote OP you do realize how it would be dumb to use a modded controller with a SR Nyain San/Chan Director
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 230	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:32:00 - [4] - Quote vincent FF7 514 wrote: every damn thing according.to the community. If I am moving at a strafe rate faster than you what do you do? At first you add speed mods and spec into your speed til you max out right? Then you max out the same fit right? Then what? You can only spec to max. How is the opponent still out strafing you? If I max out my dmg mods to proto, stack em 5 high, and still you rip through my 500 armor/150 shield with a militia CR what do you do? I'm talking head-to-head, we both start shooting at the same time, but you have less armor with a militia rifle and you win the engagement...... and kill my partner too? That's the advantages modded controllers and kb/m give. Aim assist does nothing to balance this out either. Not even close! If there was no advantage players wouldn't use it. It's really very simple. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 230	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:38:00 - [5] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? "Anybody order chaos?"
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 864	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:49:00 - [6] - Quote I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't. I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat. It is TOTAL BS that the ScR can be so abused and CCP has done nothing to try to mitigate the issue. I love the ScR and these fuking cheaters are pissing me off and they will cause my favorite weapon to be nerfed into the ground because we all know CCP well just nerf the ScR into a useless weapon instead of trying to address the actual issue... MODDED CONTROLLERS! Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 00:50:00 - [7] - Quote everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:04:00 - [8] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:10:00 - [9] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1754	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:15:00 - [10] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't. I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat. Could you get some video of this to show CCP? If so it would be very compelling. Fun > Realism

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:18:00 - [11] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. One bad apple has obviously spoiled the whole bunch. How about addressing the issue? Do you deny that modded controller capabilities should go? As I have said I am not after any nerf, but instead after the true problem. Skill less modded controller users are, and just one douchebags can ruin a whole weapon class for everyone! Any thoughts on MODDED CONTROLLERS? No? Then move on! "Anybody order chaos?"
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San 892	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:19:00 - [12] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Nyain San/Chan Director
Patrlck 56 454	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:20:00 - [13] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? rekt
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:21:00 - [14] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. One bad apple has obviously spoiled the whole bunch. How about addressing the issue? Do you deny that modded controller capabilities should go? As I have said I am not after any nerf, but instead after the true problem. Skill less modded controller users are, and just one douchebags can ruin a whole weapon class for everyone! Any thoughts on MODDED CONTROLLERS? No? Then move on! ive zero thoughts on modded controllers because i never see them, infact the only people who see them are the ones that get killed by scrams deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:23:00 - [15] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right? "Anybody order chaos?"
Patrlck 56 454	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:27:00 - [17] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:32:00 - [18] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it. and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:32:00 - [19] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:35:00 - [20] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it. and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads You start reading with preconceived ideas already in your head smh?! So you missed the part where I stated that nothing needs to be done to any rifle, but instead the ability to use modded controllers altered. Try opening your mind to the opinion of others before going on the attack. o7 "Anybody order chaos?"

Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:40:00 - [21] - Quote Bradric Banewolf[/quote wrote: You start reading with preconceived ideas already in your head smh?! So you missed the part where I stated that nothing needs to be done to any rifle, but instead the ability to use modded controllers altered. Try opening your mind to the opinion of others before going on the attack. o7 i wish they would coz it would stop threads about turbo scram users being posted every 5 mins and it might cut down on the abusive ingame messages deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2987	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:41:00 - [22] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right? You realize modded controllers and SCR don't go all that well together you overheat really quickly and if you slow down your shots which is the complete opposite of what modded controllers do you can get more shots off without overheating and if you overheat going up against multiple enemies your screwed. BTW I run shield based suits so if anything I hate SCRs but I don't come on the forums complaining about them when it's not an issue. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Atiim 11572	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:48:00 - [23] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Except it wouldn't be. The heat sink is based on a "Heat Cost per Second" value, like the Laser Rifle. The amount of shots you can land before you overheat is entirely dependent on your ability to spam the R1 button. As such, using a Modded Controller allows you to "fire" at the max RPM, thus giving you an insane amount of shots while overheating at the same time as you would w/o the modded controller. This is why it's so effective to use modded controllers with them. A lot more shots are fired in a much shorter period of time, but you still overheat at the same time as an "honest" user would. If you don't believe me, then grab a Stopwatch and then begin fire the SCR slowly (but don't stop till you overheat).. Do the same, but fire it as fast as you possibly can. You'll notice that the time before overheating is exactly the same. If that doesn't convince you, press Gû¦ and then read the thing saying: "Heat Cost per Second". Though this isn't only a problem with SCRs. Using a Turbo Controller with a CR basically makes it a long range ACR with more DPS, and it removes the recoil from the AR. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Patrlck 56 455	Posted - 2014.08.23 01:53:00 - [24] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? pics or it didn't happen
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 02:02:00 - [25] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right? You realize modded controllers and SCR don't go all that well together you overheat really quickly and if you slow down your shots which is the complete opposite of what modded controllers do you can get more shots off without overheating and if you overheat going up against multiple enemies your screwed. BTW I run shield based suits so if anything I hate SCRs but I don't come on the forums complaining about them when it's not an issue. Do any of you actually READ the title atleast lol? I don't have a problem with the ScR, but the application of the modded controller was an issue long before they found the ScR. It's the modded controllers effect on any weapon. It does NOT overheat quicker, but exactly the opposite! That's why ppl use it. Let's have CCP work on removing the ability to use modded controllers, and then wait for the results! No nerfs, just the modded controllers go. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 02:08:00 - [26] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? pics or it didn't happen That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Except it wouldn't be. The heat sink is based on a "Heat Cost per Second" value, like the Laser Rifle. The amount of shots you can land before you overheat is entirely dependent on your ability to spam the R1 button. As such, using a Modded Controller allows you to "fire" at the max RPM, thus giving you an insane amount of shots while overheating at the same time as you would w/o the modded controller. This is why it's so effective to use modded controllers with them. A lot more shots are fired in a much shorter period of time, but you still overheat at the same time as an "honest" user would. If you don't believe me, then grab a Stopwatch and then begin fire the SCR slowly (but don't stop till you overheat).. Do the same, but fire it as fast as you possibly can. You'll notice that the time before overheating is exactly the same. If that doesn't convince you, press Gû¦ and then read the thing saying: "Heat Cost per Second". Though this isn't only a problem with SCRs. Using a Turbo Controller with a CR basically makes it a long range ACR with more DPS, and it removes the recoil from the AR. Oh trust me they know, but thank you for explaining that so thoroughly! They will try to change the subject over and over, but my point remains the same. They will try to win over the viewer by saying that I'm after the ScR, but I'm not. I am, as I have always been, after the cheater, hacker, and exploited of the game! Let tactics prevail over their abuses! o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2509	Posted - 2014.08.23 02:38:00 - [28] - Quote The problem seems to be disproportionally high lethality... K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. Red line snipers and tankers hate it.
Patrlck 56 456	Posted - 2014.08.23 02:51:00 - [29] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things The ** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck. anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the ** you would do that.
Blondie Roads The Antelope County Regulators 80	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:01:00 - [30] - Quote I hate to inform you folks...... But there is no way to remove the funtionality of a modded controller. All a turbo contoll does is emulate a stock contoller, it does how ever use a chip that can save and or adjust the rate of the actions being pushed. The only way to remove the usefullness of it would be to slow gun fire rates to speed slow slow that it would make it worthless to attempt to adjust fire by feathering the trigger. Doing this to the weapons in the game would further dumb down and weaken and already sour shooter. You Sir (op) are exagerating a problem with modded controllers to explain why you can not compete, or affourd a 25 dollar controller. Fyi all mice do a better job of manipulating fire rates to a fine art but still.. This is not even close to becoming game breaking. Want to do better in dust? Try and turn your resolution down to 480 or 720.

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:03:00 - [31] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things The ** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck. Not if they are actually using them I don't because technically the fact that they have to use em means they suck! If they were using the same controllers as everyone else they loose the advantage over everyone, and perhaps only have the intended advantage of the weapon! anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the ** you would do that. Not remove the controllers, but the ability to have the turbo have an effect. That is totally possible! You can use the controller all you want, but the turbo effect it has on the weapon can simply be coded off. Just like playing any other game. They rage when you use reason and logic.... like women lol! o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Patrlck 56 456	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:12:00 - [32] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: They rage when you use reason and logic.... like women lol! o7 Not sure what kind of **** ** up ****** logic you think you're using.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:14:00 - [33] - Quote Blondie Roads wrote: I hate to inform you folks...... But there is no way to remove the funtionality of a modded controller. All a turbo contoll does is emulate a stock contoller, it does how ever use a chip that can save and or adjust the rate of the actions being pushed. The only way to remove the usefullness of it would be to slow gun fire rates to speed slow slow that it would make it worthless to attempt to adjust fire by feathering the trigger. Doing this to the weapons in the game would further dumb down and weaken and already sour shooter. You Sir (op) are exagerating a problem with modded controllers to explain why you can not compete, or affourd a 25 dollar controller. Fyi all mice do a better job of manipulating fire rates to a fine art but still.. This is not even close to becoming game breaking. Want to do better in dust? Try and turn your resolution down to 480 or 720. So, you would rather continually kill weapon after weapon? No wonder CCP is scrapping the game lol! How will they ever have a good product if they can't even keep players in it? I've heard these weak arguments over and over?! "Get gud", "your a noob", "you just can't compete", etc. So your solution is everyone buy a modded controller lmao! Laughable at best! You guys act as if this is EVERYONE'S first fps, and NO ONE will ever notice the guys who lag switch, the blatenely obvious uninterrupted fire rate of semi auto weapons, or any other obvious trickery?! Like they didn't do it in C.O.D. or any of the other fps's EVERYONE has played lol! I tell you what! We can ignore the modded controllers obvious advantage, and by obvious I mean the formidable defense put up here for the controller not the ScR, and let CCP nerf the ScR.... and then the CR.... and then the RR because every other rifle got it so why not.... and then the AR again.... and then buff em all lmao! Or, we could work the mod issue boys how about it? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:15:00 - [34] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: They rage when you use reason and logic.... like women lol! o7 Not sure what kind of **** ** up ****** logic you think you're using. The kind that makes you fill half your sentence with profanity lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Patrlck 56 456	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:21:00 - [35] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: The kind that makes you fill half your sentence with profanity lol! Sorry, are those words too big for you?
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:28:00 - [36] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: The kind that makes you fill half your sentence with profanity lol! Sorry, are those words too big for you? More to the topic please? Or, will we result to insults to avoid the subject? Do you think the ScR, or any semi auto rifle like the CR and AR tact versions, will be as effective without the modded controllers? I mean when's the last time you saw a Duvolle tact in action? Now the ScR has a lot more punch than the tactical AR's so it will survive without the modded controller if it doesn't get nerfed, and that's my point! No nerf! Just the modded controllers loose the ability to effect ANY rifle in this game that way. Ppl who use the CRW still kill just fine without it now right? As you say not everyone uses modded controllers! "Anybody order chaos?"
Espartoi Orkz Clan 327	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:34:00 - [37] - Quote They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner. I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision. I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:37:00 - [38] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: The problem seems to be disproportionally high lethality... Brilliant observation sir! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:41:00 - [39] - Quote Espartoi wrote: They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner. I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision. I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?. Another testimony to the obvious! My cousin had a turbo controller for his ps2 when we were kids, but it's turbo effects only worked on certain games. Like fighting games, for instance, it would unleash hell, but on other games of different genres it was as if he had a normal controller. "Anybody order chaos?"
Espartoi Orkz Clan 327	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:47:00 - [40] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Espartoi wrote: They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner. I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision. I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?. Another testimony to the obvious! My cousin had a turbo controller for his ps2 when we were kids, but it's turbo effects only worked on certain games. Like fighting games, for instance, it would unleash hell, but on other games of different genres it was as if he had a normal controller. The only mod that my controlled have is a broken right analog is always moving to the right, you need skill to maintained centered. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 232	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:50:00 - [41] - Quote Espartoi wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Espartoi wrote: They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner. I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision. I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?. Another testimony to the obvious! My cousin had a turbo controller for his ps2 when we were kids, but it's turbo effects only worked on certain games. Like fighting games, for instance, it would unleash hell, but on other games of different genres it was as if he had a normal controller. The only mod that my controlled have is a broken right analog is always moving to the right, you need skill to maintained centered. Lol! Yeah I've killed numerous left a no log sticks on fps's! My wife buys spares from stores when she catches them on sale lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Espartoi Orkz Clan 327	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:54:00 - [42] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Espartoi wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Espartoi wrote: They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner. I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision. I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?. Another testimony to the obvious! My cousin had a turbo controller for his ps2 when we were kids, but it's turbo effects only worked on certain games. Like fighting games, for instance, it would unleash hell, but on other games of different genres it was as if he had a normal controller. The only mod that my controlled have is a broken right analog is always moving to the right, you need skill to maintained centered. Lol! Yeah I've killed numerous left a no log sticks on fps's! My wife buys spares from stores when she catches them on sale lol! I only have the ones with the console...my epileptic med are too expensive to afford on entertainment. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
SGT NOVA STAR 1.U.P 247	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:15:00 - [43] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? Metal gear solid 1 back in 1999. Correct me if I'm wrong MGS fans VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 497	Posted - 2014.08.23 07:52:00 - [44] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? Metal gear solid 1 back in 1999. Correct me if I'm wrong MGS fans There are some rumors I remember, but a quick Google search finds you can do the Torture sequence with a turbo controller. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 497	Posted - 2014.08.23 07:54:00 - [45] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't. I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat. It is TOTAL BS that the ScR can be so abused and CCP has done nothing to try to mitigate the issue. I love the ScR and these fuking cheaters are pissing me off and they will cause my favorite weapon to be nerfed into the ground because we all know CCP well just nerf the ScR into a useless weapon instead of trying to address the actual issue... MODDED CONTROLLERS! I am curious to see a video of this as well. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 233	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:24:00 - [46] - Quote Bump "Anybody order chaos?"
Andris Kronis Legio DXIV 76	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:52:00 - [47] - Quote I checked and the best number of shots I could get was 18 before overheat but that was not in an Amarr suit. BPO scrambler rifle. "Corporation slogan coming to a sig near you"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 233	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:59:00 - [48] - Quote Andris Kronis wrote: I checked and the best number of shots I could get was 18 before overheat but that was not in an Amarr suit. BPO scrambler rifle. True, but that was of course without the modded controller right? "Anybody order chaos?"
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 778	Posted - 2014.08.23 15:10:00 - [49] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol Tac got nerfed back in BETA due to modded controller scrubs -
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 233	Posted - 2014.08.23 15:47:00 - [50] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol Tac got nerfed back in BETA due to modded controller scrubs - EXACTLY! "Anybody order chaos?"

MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 898	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:00:00 - [51] - Quote Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 235	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:04:00 - [52] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. Now ain't that a *****!!! I have probably, at the very least, been hit or even killed by this, and didn't pay it any attention?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 186	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:07:00 - [53] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. i do this on purpose all the time, its got nothing to do with turbo pads deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 34	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:12:00 - [54] - Quote I don't even know why some people need modded controllers for a combat rifle... Just spam the trigger, it's practically the same result. I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 898	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:16:00 - [55] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. Now ain't that a *****!!! I have probably, at the very least, been hit or even killed by this, and didn't pay it any attention?! It's hard to catch, and if you're engaged in a team battle you probably wont notice if you're paying attention to everyone else as well. Good news is you won't be the only one to see it, if you do catch it at all. Me fighting against a proto ammar with a viziam, I pop around the corner with my burst HMG and OHK, and then a second later I'm killed by the guy who's already dead, by his viziam! My teammate exclaims: "Dude did you see that? A volley of rounds literally projected from that dudes dead body!" Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 898	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:17:00 - [56] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. i do this on purpose all the time, its got nothing to do with turbo pads No you don't, no one can do this intentionally, moron. If people could do this on purpose all the time I'd purposely wait to die so I could kill people unsuspectingly. Go back to you cave, troll. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 51	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:19:00 - [57] - Quote Thats how it works. Its heat per second. Meaning if you can squeeze out more rounds before that second is over. then ya less heat per round. also on the glitch where they shoot you while dead. I have seen more then just the scrambler do it. so it might be linked to the controllers.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:19:00 - [58] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. i do this on purpose all the time, its got nothing to do with turbo pads No you don't, no one can do this intentionally, moron. If people could do this on purpose all the time I'd purposely wait to die so I could kill people unsuspectingly. Go back to you cave, troll. go and try it out its not that hard to do and has been around for a very long time. im not saying you will get kills all the time but its easy to replicate deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 682	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:26:00 - [59] - Quote honestly modded controllers really arn't that great y'know. they only really make combat rifle run a bit easier and ScR is really only good in close quarters because of the kick to it, same as with the TAC rifle the ScR also overheats far too quickly with a modded controller too especially if the RoF of the autofire is too high. the 'reset' on weapons like AR and ACR, AScR is nice but nothing really all that special. you can make excuses for the ScR but just face facts that the issue is that the damage is broken vs armor and despite it supposed to being a longer range weapon its still deadly in close range. the hip fire needs widening to that of a TAC rifle (the standard RR needs same too) Rolling with the punches
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 742	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:32:00 - [60] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? rekt Because it's heat build up per second, not per shot. Common sense dictates that if you can fire more shots per second, the heat build is the same. You should both know this already. If the heat build up was per shot, the modded or turbo controller would no longer have an advantage. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:35:00 - [61] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? rekt Because it's heat build up per second, not per shot. Common sense dictates that if you can fire more shots per second, the heat build is the same. You should both know this already. If the heat build up was per shot, the modded or turbo controller would no longer have an advantage. Oh I know! These guys are just spending a whole lot of time protecting the modded controllers.... and not the ScR? Hmmmm? Wierd?! I wonder why? "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:40:00 - [62] - Quote show me one post anybody has made protecting modded controllers deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:46:00 - [63] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: show me one post anybody has made protecting modded controllers I don't have to! Show me anywhere on this post, or anywhere else where people have said "nerf the ScR", and it wasn't shortly followed by "it's the modded controllers"? For the last time! I am not in ANY way advocating the nerf of ANY weapon system! I want the root of the problem so CCP can stop nerfing weapons, and focus on the real problems in the game! Like hit detection! You sir, came here with the intention of disproving any argument I had because you thought I was after the ScR! "Anybody order chaos?"
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 743	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:50:00 - [64] - Quote Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things The ** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck. anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the ** you would do that. Recoil per shot, heat build up per shot. Would remove the advantage that turbo/modded controllers have. Sure you can fire faster but the weapon will heat up or climb a lot faster. Common Pat, this is a easy concept that has been around for along time. Also did you get banned again? Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:54:00 - [65] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: show me one post anybody has made protecting modded controllers I don't have to! Show me anywhere on this post, or anywhere else where people have said "nerf the ScR", and it wasn't shortly followed by "it's the modded controllers"? For the last time! I am not in ANY way advocating the nerf of ANY weapon system! I want the root of the problem so CCP can stop nerfing weapons, and focus on the real problems in the game! Like hit detection! You sir, came here with the intention of disproving any argument I had because you thought I was after the ScR! if you dont want to point out where somebody is protecting modded controllers dont say stupid ** like this Bradric Banewolf wrote:** Oh I know! These guys are just spending a whole lot of time protecting the modded controllers.... and not the ScR? Hmmmm? Wierd?! I wonder why? deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:59:00 - [66] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Patrlck 56 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things The ** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck. anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the ** you would do that. Recoil per shot, heat build up per shot. Would remove the advantage that turbo/modded controllers have. Sure you can fire faster but the weapon will heat up or climb a lot faster. Common Pat, this is a easy concept that has been around for along time. Also did you get banned again? I had thought this was the way the weapon was the entire time! Man was I shocked to find out the heat up was over time, and shots in that time varied?!?! With that logic the modded controllers can wreak havok..... just like they are doing! One guy using it correctly, and without a modded controller, can dmg you, but will overheat if he goes to missing. He will fire some shots, and I will take cover to regen and return fire. However, the obvious modded controller users, freight-train you in what looks like three to four shots!! WTF!!! No taking cover! no returning fire! Just instant death! Then all they say is "oh it's proto" or "get gud"?!?! Naw bro you cheating! That thing should've overheated three times already if you killed me, my squadmate, and the blueberry hacking?! "Anybody order chaos?"
VikingKong iBUN 2.U.P 128	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:06:00 - [67] - Quote Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:07:00 - [68] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: show me one post anybody has made protecting modded controllers I don't have to! Show me anywhere on this post, or anywhere else where people have said "nerf the ScR", and it wasn't shortly followed by "it's the modded controllers"? For the last time! I am not in ANY way advocating the nerf of ANY weapon system! I want the root of the problem so CCP can stop nerfing weapons, and focus on the real problems in the game! Like hit detection! You sir, came here with the intention of disproving any argument I had because you thought I was after the ScR! if you dont want to point out where somebody is protecting modded controllers dont say stupid ** like this Bradric Banewolf wrote:** Oh I know! These guys are just spending a whole lot of time protecting the modded controllers.... and not the ScR? Hmmmm? Wierd?! I wonder why? Oh you're so simple lmao! Just look up this post, and look at all the guys who swears no one is using modded controllers! They did not say anything about the ScR in it's defense, but instead were more concerned with whether CCP could actually remove the ability to use the modded controllers! YOU in particular, just spent time trying to say it couldn't be done, and I should just "STOP TALKING"! WHY? Because ppl might see where the modded controller is indeed the problem? Because CCP might decide to see what they can do about modded controller usage? You tell me? I don't have to prove anything other than what every other player has come here, and given testimonies about! The difference between regular ScR users, and the scrubs that use modded controllers! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:10:00 - [69] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: However, the obvious modded controller users, freight-train you in what looks like three to four shots!! WTF!!! No taking cover! no returning fire! Just instant death! Then all they say is "oh it's proto" or "get gud"?!?! Naw bro you cheating! That thing should've overheated three times already if you killed me, my squadmate, and the blueberry hacking?! numptys standing still hacking are a scrambler users wet dream, in noway does it mean hes a cheater. methinks youve been beasted one too many times and assume cheater coz you died deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:14:00 - [70] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Just look up this post, and look at all the guys who swears no one is using modded controllers! They did not say anything about the ScR in it's defense, but instead were more concerned with whether CCP could actually remove the ability to use the modded controllers! YOU in particular, just spent time trying to say it couldn't be done, and I should just "STOP TALKING"! point out where is said modded controllers could not be removed and that i want to keep them deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:14:00 - [71] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently. OH NOT YOU TOO LMAO! You've got to be kidding me smh?! Everyone knows kb/m users strafe faster than controller users?! That's commonly known knowledge for christ sake?! We know that the tact rifle was being abused by modded controller users, hence the overkill nerf of the whole class?! We're trying to protect the ScR from the same fate, but you simpletons can't see past your own greed! Like most cheaters and hackers, You're too selfish to get what you're after to see what you're about to loose! None of the glitches, and exploits in this game are a secret fellas?! Now that you know EVERYONE knows! Maybe you can go encourage the rest of the "boys" to put that bs away. o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:16:00 - [72] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Just look up this post, and look at all the guys who swears no one is using modded controllers! They did not say anything about the ScR in it's defense, but instead were more concerned with whether CCP could actually remove the ability to use the modded controllers! YOU in particular, just spent time trying to say it couldn't be done, and I should just "STOP TALKING"! point out where is said modded controllers could not be removed and that i want to keep them And at what point did you defend the ScR? You just want us to be quiet lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 187	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:18:00 - [73] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Just look up this post, and look at all the guys who swears no one is using modded controllers! They did not say anything about the ScR in it's defense, but instead were more concerned with whether CCP could actually remove the ability to use the modded controllers! YOU in particular, just spent time trying to say it couldn't be done, and I should just "STOP TALKING"! point out where is said modded controllers could not be removed and that i want to keep them And at what point did you defend the ScR? You just want us to be quiet lol! point out where i said modded controllers could not be removed and that i want to keep them please deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:19:00 - [74] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: However, the obvious modded controller users, freight-train you in what looks like three to four shots!! WTF!!! No taking cover! no returning fire! Just instant death! Then all they say is "oh it's proto" or "get gud"?!?! Naw bro you cheating! That thing should've overheated three times already if you killed me, my squadmate, and the blueberry hacking?! numptys standing still hacking are a scrambler users wet dream, in noway does it mean hes a cheater. methinks youve been beasted one too many times and assume cheater coz you died And again with the "you must've died" and the "get gud" nonsense?! How does that change the point? "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:21:00 - [75] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol Is this you? Standby.... "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:23:00 - [76] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it. and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads Again, nothing about why the ScR shouldn't be nerfed, and more about how modded controllers aren't the problem?! When clearly they are! Are you done yet? "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 188	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:44:00 - [77] - Quote @bradric like you quote me saying, i never see turbo scrams in combat so i dont see things i never see as a problem. i also say if you fix the the scram because of turbo pads you would have to fix assault and combat rifles also. i dont see the point your trying to make deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 898	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:44:00 - [78] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Thats how it works. Its heat per second. Meaning if you can squeeze out more rounds before that second is over. then ya less heat per round. also on the glitch where they shoot you while dead. I have seen more then just the scrambler do it. so it might be linked to the controllers. If this is the case and this has been happening for awhile (I wouldn't really know I'm dedicated heavy), then I can only assume the glitch (lets call it that) is only being exacerbated by modded controllers, which would still be a tell if someone is constantly replicating. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 245	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:15:00 - [79] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: @bradric like you quote me saying, i never see turbo scrams in combat so i dont see things i never see as a problem. i also say if you fix the the scram because of turbo pads you would have to fix assault and combat rifles also. i dont see the point your trying to make I didn't say fix the ScR! I said make the modded controllers null and void! That would then make all weapons normal regardless! Leave the weapons alone! They aren't the problem! The modded controllers are! The buff to the AR in hotfix bravo brought the GK-13 back to life so don't be surprised if it hits with ridiculous efficiency soon too! That again would be the modded controllers! I use the AR variants, and can not kill a guy with it immediately. So when one hits your proto suit and ista-kills you don't blame the weapon! It's not capable of that I assure you, and it's a shield weapon so heavily armored characters shouldn't go down so easily.... much like the ScR! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 188	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:21:00 - [80] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: @bradric like you quote me saying, i never see turbo scrams in combat so i dont see things i never see as a problem. i also say if you fix the the scram because of turbo pads you would have to fix assault and combat rifles also. i dont see the point your trying to make I didn't say fix the ScR! I said make the modded controllers null and void! That would then make all weapons normal regardless! Leave the weapons alone! They aren't the problem! The modded controllers are! The buff to the AR in hotfix bravo brought the GK-13 back to life so don't be surprised if it hits with ridiculous efficiency soon too! That again would be the modded controllers! I use the AR variants, and can not kill a guy with it immediately. So when one hits your proto suit and ista-kills you don't blame the weapon! It's not capable of that I assure you, and it's a shield weapon so heavily armored characters shouldn't go down so easily.... much like the ScR! im not certain, but i think if ccp could somehow detect turbo pads being used they would have done so already. so the only way to get rid of said turbo pads would be to fix the weapons you could use with them in whatever way you could deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 684	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:25:00 - [81] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently. Ahhh no!! there is a small benefit a M/KB offers. and thats being able to run forward at full speed and sidestepping by tapping 'A' and 'D' everything else is down to player skill with their controller just as you say not only that but using a M/KB will not make you a better player if you're a thourough bred console gamer (liek myself) who can't use M/KB. although on th erare occassion i get called onto my sniper alt i'll use my laser mouse to snipe with (and perhaps laser rifle) simply because of slightly finer movement over the DS3 but really guys just accept that sometimes the other players are better than you lol Rolling with the punches
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 245	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:06:00 - [82] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently. Ahhh no!! there is a small benefit a M/KB offers. and thats being able to run forward at full speed and sidestepping by tapping 'A' and 'D' everything else is down to player skill with their controller just as you say not only that but using a M/KB will not make you a better player if you're a thourough bred console gamer (liek myself) who can't use M/KB. although on th erare occassion i get called onto my sniper alt i'll use my laser mouse to snipe with (and perhaps laser rifle) simply because of slightly finer movement over the DS3 but really guys just accept that sometimes the other players are better than you lol Slightly lol! Nice choice of words, but no one here has one time said they are worried about players playing the game, as it is, better did they? They were referring to players who use outside mechanics to "get gud" lol! Grab a normal controller and kill me, and I won't say a word on the forums about it. people don't come to the forums beacause of things that work fine, and demand CCP change things that work?! Don't any of you want to be truly good? I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that when I kill a guy it was completely legit! No "small benefit a M/KB offers" has had a hand in me killing anyone! No "sidestepping by tapping A and D"?! Nope! All raw skill here! No modded controllers?! No extra fast fire rates here unless I change to a BK-42 from a Gek-38! I'm a real thoroughbred console gamer! I just thought it was cool when I started dust to be able to plug up a keyboard and type, but definitely couldn't play with it lol! Not taking anything from guys who do, don't get me wrong, but if it wasn't some type of advantage to it would you play with M/KB? If the controller prove to be faster with movement and strafe speed would you still play with the M/KB? "Anybody order chaos?"
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 684	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:43:00 - [83] - Quote OP, you have a fair point if the thing about the scrambler rifle being able to fire off more than 15ish shots with a modded controller due to the "heat per second" mechanic is true, if they could block turbo-fire controllers that would be nice, i'mma let you finish, but this ** down here needs to stop Bradric Banewolf wrote:** That's the advantages modded controllers and kb/m give. Aim assist does nothing to balance this out either. Not even close! If there was no advantage players wouldn't use it. It's really very simple. I suppose you're right about players using what gives them an advantage, because I stopped using kb/m in favor of the DS3 since aim assist gives me a massive advantage that far outweighs my lack of experience playing first person shooters with a controller. I've been playing PC first person shooters for over a decade, the last console fps I played before dust514 was timesplitters 2. Aim assist means I no longer constantly miss by a few pixels to either side of my enemy thanks to the jittery mouse controls, no more missing my charged scrambler rifle shot by a couple of frames, as long as I am just good enough to stay in the aim assist margin of error, every shot will land. The combat rile and scrambler rifle are absurdly efficient in my hands with aim assist now, with the mouse I was struggling to consistently kill stationary targets. With all the other shortcomings of the kb/m implementation of this game I no longer have to deal with since giving up on the kb/m, my experience in dust 514 has improved despite the difficulty in re-learning the controls. Hell, at this point I'd probably perform better on my controller with aim assist turned off than I ever did with a mouse in dust. kb/m is as much of a joke in this game as ps move, except hordes of players who can't even be bothered to unplug the mouse and keyboard from their desktop PC at home for 5 minutes to try it out for themselves still think its the boogeyman causing them to lose fights against tryhards
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 684	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:56:00 - [84] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently. Ahhh no!! there is a small benefit a M/KB offers. and thats being able to run forward at full speed and sidestepping by tapping 'A' and 'D' everything else is down to player skill with their controller just as you say not only that but using a M/KB will not make you a better player if you're a thourough bred console gamer (liek myself) who can't use M/KB. although on th erare occassion i get called onto my sniper alt i'll use my laser mouse to snipe with (and perhaps laser rifle) simply because of slightly finer movement over the DS3 but really guys just accept that sometimes the other players are better than you lol Slightly lol! Nice choice of words, but no one here has one time said they are worried about players playing the game, as it is, better did they? They were referring to players who use outside mechanics to "get gud" lol! Grab a normal controller and kill me, and I won't say a word on the forums about it. people don't come to the forums beacause of things that work fine, and demand CCP change things that work?! Don't any of you want to be truly good? I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that when I kill a guy it was completely legit! No "small benefit a M/KB offers" has had a hand in me killing anyone! No "sidestepping by tapping A and D"?! Nope! All raw skill here! No modded controllers?! No extra fast fire rates here unless I change to a BK-42 from a Gek-38! I'm a real thoroughbred console gamer! I just thought it was cool when I started dust to be able to plug up a keyboard and type, but definitely couldn't play with it lol! Not taking anything from guys who do, don't get me wrong, but if it wasn't some type of advantage to it would you play with M/KB? If the controller prove to be faster with movement and strafe speed would you still play with the M/KB? you skip over the part where i said i use DS3? and even though i have access to a modded controller it's no use to me because i'm a logi through n through since i startd this game over 2yrs ago so having a modded controller doesn't work with my repper and its a proper ball ache turning it on/off and on my logi suits i use the ever faithful (and OP) Rail Rifle because a standard RR still outperforms my Boundless CR even with modded controller Rolling with the punches
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 248	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:00:00 - [85] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid. You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe. And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently. Ahhh no!! there is a small benefit a M/KB offers. and thats being able to run forward at full speed and sidestepping by tapping 'A' and 'D' everything else is down to player skill with their controller just as you say not only that but using a M/KB will not make you a better player if you're a thourough bred console gamer (liek myself) who can't use M/KB. although on th erare occassion i get called onto my sniper alt i'll use my laser mouse to snipe with (and perhaps laser rifle) simply because of slightly finer movement over the DS3 but really guys just accept that sometimes the other players are better than you lol Slightly lol! Nice choice of words, but no one here has one time said they are worried about players playing the game, as it is, better did they? They were referring to players who use outside mechanics to "get gud" lol! Grab a normal controller and kill me, and I won't say a word on the forums about it. people don't come to the forums beacause of things that work fine, and demand CCP change things that work?! Don't any of you want to be truly good? I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that when I kill a guy it was completely legit! No "small benefit a M/KB offers" has had a hand in me killing anyone! No "sidestepping by tapping A and D"?! Nope! All raw skill here! No modded controllers?! No extra fast fire rates here unless I change to a BK-42 from a Gek-38! I'm a real thoroughbred console gamer! I just thought it was cool when I started dust to be able to plug up a keyboard and type, but definitely couldn't play with it lol! Not taking anything from guys who do, don't get me wrong, but if it wasn't some type of advantage to it would you play with M/KB? If the controller prove to be faster with movement and strafe speed would you still play with the M/KB? you skip over the part where i said i use DS3? and even though i have access to a modded controller it's no use to me because i'm a logi through n through since i startd this game over 2yrs ago so having a modded controller doesn't work with my repper and its a proper ball ache turning it on/off and on my logi suits i use the ever faithful (and OP) Rail Rifle because a standard RR still outperforms my Boundless CR even with modded controller Point proven in more ways then one, thank you! "Anybody order chaos?"
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 684	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:48:00 - [86] - Quote Also worth noting the reason i'm a logi is cos i'm generally pretty bad at FPS games, again due to poor dexterity in my hand when the cold weather comes in. but as the op has mentioned. the only reason a lot of folk use certain weapons is because they're OP and the FOTM and they're the ones crying when the nerf bat comes along. look at all the MD/Flaylock spam, laser spam, TAC rifle spam over the months and years. people find trends and abuse the 'easy mode' for easy kills, but thats generally broken mechanics and not outside modifications. you can't force a 1000rpm gun to fire at 1100rmp via a modded controller. a ScR will overheat faster using one because of the speed you fire. but there are certain weapons out there that are over used simply because they're OP. on my alt i have a militia rail rifle (on the caldari frontline suit). zero skills in any weaponry at the moment yet the other day i had a proto heavy run for cover when i was shooting at him from about 60m. there is clearly something wrong there. thats not via a modded controller, thats via some broken a*s mechanics Rolling with the punches
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 249	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:16:00 - [87] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Also worth noting the reason i'm a logi is cos i'm generally pretty bad at FPS games, again due to poor dexterity in my hand when the cold weather comes in. but as the op has mentioned. the only reason a lot of folk use certain weapons is because they're OP and the FOTM and they're the ones crying when the nerf bat comes along. look at all the MD/Flaylock spam, laser spam, TAC rifle spam over the months and years. people find trends and abuse the 'easy mode' for easy kills, but thats generally broken mechanics and not outside modifications. you can't force a 1000rpm gun to fire at 1100rmp via a modded controller. a ScR will overheat faster using one because of the speed you fire. but there are certain weapons out there that are over used simply because they're OP. on my alt i have a militia rail rifle (on the caldari frontline suit). zero skills in any weaponry at the moment yet the other day i had a proto heavy run for cover when i was shooting at him from about 60m. there is clearly something wrong there. thats not via a modded controller, thats via some broken a*s mechanics Trust me when you get hit by any weapon via modded controller, you will recognize the difference instantly! The heat build-up in the ScR is over time not per shot. So it seems the fix, if they can't nullify the modded controller, is to make heat build-up per shot! As far as the tact AR and CR goes the only logical fix, barring attacking the modded controller, was a dmg nerf so severe it killed the weapon class for months for the AR?! If modded controller users aren't careful the CR is next?! I would hate that very much, but what exactly do you want CCP to do? Just let their player base get cheated? In my opinion the ability to apply the effects of outside modifications should be removed. That way the only modifications are the ones in-game that were intended to be used. If I can mod a fitting that is effective to the point of wiping the floor with everyone, then other players should be able to setup that fit as well right? Modded controllers, M/KB, and any other outside mod(like lag switches) aren't in-game available. The game was intended for advantage and disadvantage. Thank you to everyone for the feedback! "Anybody order chaos?"
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3122	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:36:00 - [88] - Quote I said this waaaaaaaaay back when the tac AR was fotm and people were up in arms about turbo controllers, you can hit that button damn fast if you try and most people who tend towards the semi auto high damage weapons can do that Granted the scrambler needs a bit of tweaking such as heat being based on shots fired and not seconds fired but turbo controllers arent as large of a problem as they might seem
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 249	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:19:00 - [89] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I said this waaaaaaaaay back when the tac AR was fotm and people were up in arms about turbo controllers, you can hit that button damn fast if you try and most people who tend towards the semi auto high damage weapons can do that Granted the scrambler needs a bit of tweaking such as heat being based on shots fired and not seconds fired but turbo controllers arent as large of a problem as they might seem Then the fix is tweak the ScR right? What about the CR (i.e. RS-90 and Boundless CR) Being used like full auto with the modded controllers? I agree with the heat build-up over shots fired instead of time part! "Anybody order chaos?"
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 35	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:19:00 - [90] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. i do this on purpose all the time, its got nothing to do with turbo pads No you don't, no one can do this intentionally, moron. If people could do this on purpose all the time I'd purposely wait to die so I could kill people unsuspectingly. Go back to you cave, troll. It actually happens with the rail rifle sometimes... you die holding the trigger but it keeps shooting and the controller continues vibrating, but the bullets don"t hurt anyone. I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.

Mex-0 Comander's Capital 35	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:22:00 - [91] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I said this waaaaaaaaay back when the tac AR was fotm and people were up in arms about turbo controllers, you can hit that button damn fast if you try and most people who tend towards the semi auto high damage weapons can do that Granted the scrambler needs a bit of tweaking such as heat being based on shots fired and not seconds fired but turbo controllers arent as large of a problem as they might seem Then the fix is tweak the ScR right? What about the CR (i.e. RS-90 and Boundless CR) Being used like full auto with the modded controllers? I agree with the heat build-up over shots fired instead of time part! Some of the people who use the CR (such as myself) make it seem like we are using a modded controller, simply because we spam the trigger. I've received hate mail from multiple people because when I spammed the trigger it looked like full auto to my victims. I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 249	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:43:00 - [92] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I said this waaaaaaaaay back when the tac AR was fotm and people were up in arms about turbo controllers, you can hit that button damn fast if you try and most people who tend towards the semi auto high damage weapons can do that Granted the scrambler needs a bit of tweaking such as heat being based on shots fired and not seconds fired but turbo controllers arent as large of a problem as they might seem Then the fix is tweak the ScR right? What about the CR (i.e. RS-90 and Boundless CR) Being used like full auto with the modded controllers? I agree with the heat build-up over shots fired instead of time part! Some of the people who use the CR (such as myself) make it seem like we are using a modded controller, simply because we spam the trigger. I've received hate mail from multiple people because when I spammed the trigger it looked like full auto to my victims. Trigger spam is fine I do it too, but there's a small interval in between each trigger pull no matter how fast you are. The victim may not notice, but the trigger-man can hear it as the rounds leave the rifle. I'm referring to the ziiiiiiiiip sound you hear, and in your mind you go "Six Kin for sure..... WTF! RS-90???!"?! That bs is an issue. Not accusing anyone, but it does raise the "WTF" in the room to an all new level, don't you think? And if we're not careful "that guy" will ruin a perfectly good rifle because he's a scrub?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 684	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:47:00 - [93] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Also worth noting the reason i'm a logi is cos i'm generally pretty bad at FPS games, again due to poor dexterity in my hand when the cold weather comes in. but as the op has mentioned. the only reason a lot of folk use certain weapons is because they're OP and the FOTM and they're the ones crying when the nerf bat comes along. look at all the MD/Flaylock spam, laser spam, TAC rifle spam over the months and years. people find trends and abuse the 'easy mode' for easy kills, but thats generally broken mechanics and not outside modifications. you can't force a 1000rpm gun to fire at 1100rmp via a modded controller. a ScR will overheat faster using one because of the speed you fire. but there are certain weapons out there that are over used simply because they're OP. on my alt i have a militia rail rifle (on the caldari frontline suit). zero skills in any weaponry at the moment yet the other day i had a proto heavy run for cover when i was shooting at him from about 60m. there is clearly something wrong there. thats not via a modded controller, thats via some broken a*s mechanics Trust me when you get hit by any weapon via modded controller, you will recognize the difference instantly! The heat build-up in the ScR is over time not per shot. So it seems the fix, if they can't nullify the modded controller, is to make heat build-up per shot! As far as the tact AR and CR goes the only logical fix, barring attacking the modded controller, was a dmg nerf so severe it killed the weapon class for months for the AR?! If modded controller users aren't careful the CR is next?! I would hate that very much, but what exactly do you want CCP to do? Just let their player base get cheated? In my opinion the ability to apply the effects of outside modifications should be removed. That way the only modifications are the ones in-game that were intended to be used. If I can mod a fitting that is effective to the point of wiping the floor with everyone, then other players should be able to setup that fit as well right? Modded controllers, M/KB, and any other outside mod(like lag switches) aren't in-game available. The game was intended for advantage and disadvantage. Thank you to everyone for the feedback! well just given it a quick blast with the CRW and it still blows up pretty quick (templar sentinel) and quite shocking accuracy too (using an Intensafire2.0 board, mode 2 used) and that was even with pulsing the rapid fire too the wepaon overheated and blew after a few shots. the tac AR kicks like a bucking bronco nowdays too ever since the 'nerf' bout 18months ago. the only gun to truly benefit from a modded controller is a CR and i think in recent months ccp may have altered the kick on those too but even in close range with hip fire its a nasty lil weapon. in all honesty the whole weapon range need s alook at. ARs are supposed to be short range, highest damage but its simply not the case. ARs are out gunned in close range and at distanc eby every other weapon. even a Militia CR wil out gun a Duvolle these days. the high damage/long range rifles need hip fire boxes somewher einbetween where they are now and the sniper rifles and the assault variants need damge/ranges adjusting to fit the racial profiles of +damage, -range with the assault RR doing furthest damage but lowest DPS Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 249	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:03:00 - [94] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: OP, you have a fair point if the thing about the scrambler rifle being able to fire off more than 15ish shots with a modded controller due to the "heat per second" mechanic is true, if they could block turbo-fire controllers that would be nice, i'mma let you finish, but this ** down here needs to stop Bradric Banewolf wrote:** That's the advantages modded controllers and kb/m give. Aim assist does nothing to balance this out either. Not even close! If there was no advantage players wouldn't use it. It's really very simple. I suppose you're right about players using what gives them an advantage, because I stopped using kb/m in favor of the DS3 since aim assist gives me a massive advantage that far outweighs my lack of experience playing first person shooters with a controller. I've been playing PC first person shooters for over a decade, the last console fps I played before dust514 was timesplitters 2. Aim assist means I no longer constantly miss by a few pixels to either side of my enemy thanks to the jittery mouse controls, no more missing my charged scrambler rifle shot by a couple of frames, as long as I am just good enough to stay in the aim assist margin of error, every shot will land. The combat rile and scrambler rifle are absurdly efficient in my hands with aim assist now, with the mouse I was struggling to consistently kill stationary targets. With all the other shortcomings of the kb/m implementation of this game I no longer have to deal with since giving up on the kb/m, my experience in dust 514 has improved despite the difficulty in re-learning the controls. Hell, at this point I'd probably perform better on my controller with aim assist turned off than I ever did with a mouse in dust. kb/m is as much of a joke in this game as ps move, except hordes of players who can't even be bothered to unplug the mouse and keyboard from their desktop PC at home for 5 minutes to try it out for themselves still think its the boogeyman causing them to lose fights against tryhards KB/M is no where near as much of a problem as modded controllers?! Sure they can strafe faster than hell, with the no sensitivity juke move side step, but that can be remedied by having two guys shoot at him with different weapons! AR/RR combo works great! "Anybody order chaos?"
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3359	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:04:00 - [95] - Quote The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious. If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now. Gallante Assault Rifle Assault Scrambler Rifle Laser Rifle Mass Driver +2 Variants HMG (Standard Variant) Nova Knives Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion. BURST ASSAULT RIFLE Needs longer Range BREACH ASSAULT RIFLE Needs even longer Range TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE Needs a harsher ROF cap BURST COMBAT RIFLE Needs a longer delay between bursts ASSAULT COMBAT RIFLE Needs longer range or better damage TACTICAL SCRAMBLER RIFLE Needs harsher ROF cap BREACH RAIL RIFLE Needs lower damage ASSAULT RAIL RIFLE Needs shorter range and higher damage TACTICAL SNIPER RIFLE Needs less damage and higher ROF SNIPER RIFLE Needs more damage CHARGE SNIPER RIFLE Needs considerably more damage but 1 round per Mag BURST HMG Needs to overheat faster still ASSAULT HMG Needs greater dispersion decay SHOTGUN (inc Speacilist) Needs lower effective range BREACH SHOTGUN Needs greater damage and lower dispersion ASSAULTT SMG Needs more Kick and Dispersion SMG Needs lower mag capacitu BREACH SMG Needs Slightly moe damage MAGSEC Needs lower kick ION PISTOL Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion BOLT PISTOL Needs lower concurrent Shot delay FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS) Needs a thread to do it justice ASSAULT SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs faster ROF SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs greater mag capacity BURST SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs lower burst delay and less damage BREACH SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs more damage TACTICAL SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs less damage, higher ROF They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 251	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:42:00 - [96] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious. If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now. Gallante Assault Rifle Assault Scrambler Rifle Laser Rifle Mass Driver +2 Variants HMG (Standard Variant) Nova Knives Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion. BURST ASSAULT RIFLE Needs longer Range TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE Needs a harsher ROF cap BURST COMBAT RIFLE Needs a longer delay between burst ASSAULT HMG Needs greater dispersion decay ION PISTOL Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS) Needs a thread to do it justice LMAO! I couldn't agree more with most of what you wrote bro! I left the ones I completely agree with, and erase the ones I either don't agree with or haven't used enough to have an opinion. The Breach AR is the only AR that survived the nerf, to be completely honest?! It still kicks like a mule in close quarters, and is one of the only rifles in it's class that does it's role! The Sniper rifles, from what I hear are sad, but I don't use them so I would not know?! The rail across the board could use less dmg in my opinion. You can't say you nerfed it when you also nerfed everything else at the same time?! CCP pulled a fast one there However, like the AR, I would suggest looking at the rifles in that class individually! The Assault variant is different from the Breach variant in many ways, and therefore should be adjusted differently. The CR is still getting a pass as I can not truly have an unbiased opinion?! Sorry guys, but it's my second favorite weapon. However, I will say it can sometimes take the roles of other weapons with it's "oh I don't know whether i'm long, mid, or short range" bi-polar behavior?! The ScR is a good specialist weapon that's getting a bad rap due to afore mentioned circumstances?! I hate to see it go through what my tact rifles went through?! Overall your assessments were brutally accurate! o7 "Anybody order chaos?"
Clips A'hoy The Generals Anime Empire. 163	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:50:00 - [97] - Quote I think people are overestimating the amount of people using modded controllers. Currently you can shoot a Scrambler Rifle and "spew out" 17 shots without overheating if done so quick enough. Just because someone has the hair trigger to do the latter doesn't mean he's using a modded controller. In case people haven't noticed there is an obvious delay in the overheat mechanic of the Scrambler Rifle. You shoot it and a second later you see the overheat bar go up. To me this seems like an unintended mechanic that should be looked it. The same can be done with the Tactical Assault Rifle but without the overheat. So I'm suuuure modded controllers are an obvious problem with every quick shooter. I sometimes fill my bathtub with Jell-o, then I proceed to curl up and pretend I'm a fetus.
Zindorak 1.U.P 667	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:52:00 - [98] - Quote No don't I was looking in some stores for Modded controllers just for this game just to help me with my cr bursting and to troll Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Zindorak 1.U.P 667	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:53:00 - [99] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious. If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now. Gallante Assault Rifle Assault Scrambler Rifle Laser Rifle Mass Driver +2 Variants HMG (Standard Variant) Nova Knives Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion. BURST ASSAULT RIFLE Needs longer Range BREACH ASSAULT RIFLE Needs even longer Range TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE Needs a harsher ROF cap BURST COMBAT RIFLE Needs a longer delay between bursts ASSAULT COMBAT RIFLE Needs longer range or better damage TACTICAL SCRAMBLER RIFLE Needs harsher ROF cap BREACH RAIL RIFLE Needs lower damage ASSAULT RAIL RIFLE Needs shorter range and higher damage TACTICAL SNIPER RIFLE Needs less damage and higher ROF SNIPER RIFLE Needs more damage CHARGE SNIPER RIFLE Needs considerably more damage but 1 round per Mag BURST HMG Needs to overheat faster still ASSAULT HMG Needs greater dispersion decay SHOTGUN (inc Speacilist) Needs lower effective range BREACH SHOTGUN Needs greater damage and lower dispersion ASSAULTT SMG Needs more Kick and Dispersion SMG Needs lower mag capacitu BREACH SMG Needs Slightly moe damage MAGSEC Needs lower kick ION PISTOL Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion BOLT PISTOL Needs lower concurrent Shot delay FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS) Needs a thread to do it justice ASSAULT SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs faster ROF SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs greater mag capacity BURST SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs lower burst delay and less damage BREACH SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs more damage TACTICAL SCRAMBLER PISTOL Needs less damage, higher ROF Oh my gat I found another human being! Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
MetalWolf-Cell ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:54:00 - [100] - Quote Zindorak wrote: No don't I was looking in some stores for Modded controllers just for this game just to help me with my cr bursting and to troll Would it even work? Not to be stupid, just wouldn't it just be an ACR? DUST 514/LEGION

Zindorak 1.U.P 667	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:59:00 - [101] - Quote MetalWolf-Cell wrote: Zindorak wrote: No don't I was looking in some stores for Modded controllers just for this game just to help me with my cr bursting and to troll Would it even work? Not to be stupid, just wouldn't it just be an ACR? Yea but Six kin ACR does 21 dmg but boundless does 29 so I get a damage boost of 8 for using a burst as acr. Pokemon master! CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
Thurak1 Psygod9 939	Posted - 2014.08.24 01:12:00 - [102] - Quote Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers? Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has. The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything. The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict ) The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 251	Posted - 2014.08.24 01:15:00 - [103] - Quote Clips A'hoy wrote: I think people are overestimating the amount of people using modded controllers. Currently you can shoot a Scrambler Rifle and "spew out" 17 shots without overheating if done so quick enough. Just because someone has the hair trigger to do the latter doesn't mean he's using a modded controller. In case people haven't noticed there is an obvious delay in the overheat mechanic of the Scrambler Rifle. You shoot it and a second later you see the overheat bar go up. To me this seems like an unintended mechanic that should be looked it. The same can be done with the Tactical Assault Rifle but without the overheat. So I'm suuuure modded controllers are an obvious problem with every quick shooter. I shall refer you to the six pages of comments ahead of yours as I am tiredof re-typing the same argument. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 251	Posted - 2014.08.24 01:18:00 - [104] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers? Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has. The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything. The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict ) The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort. I would rather CCP look into a type of code to render the spam mechanic of the turbo ineffective before nerfing the ScR?! Wouldn't you? "Anybody order chaos?"
Thurak1 Psygod9 940	Posted - 2014.08.24 03:48:00 - [105] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers? Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has. The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything. The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict ) The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort. I would rather CCP look into a type of code to render the spam mechanic of the turbo ineffective before nerfing the ScR?! Wouldn't you? The term nerfing in this case is used very loosely. If the ROF was reduced only to what is humanly possible it would only effect people using a modded controller and have no effect on people not using one. Developing additional code to work only when a button being pressed faster than humanly possible would require more effort and a great deal more fine tuning. What should the code do when a modded controller is suspected? Simply lowering the ROF on all weapons to a value that is considered top end for a player using a normal controller (or mouse because lets face is a mouse click is considerably easier to spam than a controller) uses existing code and i could hardly consider limiting rof to only whats humanly obtainable to be a nerf.
Andris Kronis Legio DXIV 77	Posted - 2014.08.24 04:13:00 - [106] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: True, but that was of course without the modded controller right? There is a function on my eagle eye for rapid fire for any given button but I hadn't used it before. I don't think it's optimal for scrambler rifle. I've got an experimental mouse somewhere that has a timing circuit wired into it, if I can find the damn thing I'll see how many shots I can fire with it before overheat. "Corporation slogan coming to a sig near you"
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1922	Posted - 2014.08.24 05:57:00 - [107] - Quote "What the game intended"? The game was intended to be a PC game before CCP took a left turn with the console thing. It was intended to be a gameGÇª by CCPGÇª period. I'll use a mouse thank you very much. Just because a game is on a console doesn't mean it is supposed to be played a certain way. Thank God this game is headed back to PC. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3361	Posted - 2014.08.24 08:16:00 - [108] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers? Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has. The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything. The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict ) The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort. I would rather CCP look into a type of code to render the spam mechanic of the turbo ineffective before nerfing the ScR?! Wouldn't you? The term nerfing in this case is used very loosely. If the ROF was reduced only to what is humanly possible it would only effect people using a modded controller and have no effect on people not using one. Developing additional code to work only when a button being pressed faster than humanly possible would require more effort and a great deal more fine tuning. What should the code do when a modded controller is suspected? Simply lowering the ROF on all weapons to a value that is considered top end for a player using a normal controller (or mouse because lets face is a mouse click is considerably easier to spam than a controller) uses existing code and i could hardly consider limiting rof to only whats humanly obtainable to be a nerf. It's only a nerf to those who unfairly abusing the 'fast aa you can fire mechanic' You have to ask yourself a few questions. If you have a higher than average ROF for a semi-auto, do you expect the damage to be more, less or on par with other weapons of a similar range. If you said more, then why is it fair that some people through whatever means (controller, spamming, etc) are allowed to have these extortionately DPS's? If you said less, then why is it fair that the semi-auto is a lower DPS variant? If you said on par, then why must you be able to spam the trigger as fast as possible just to be competitive? The best way to give the weapon balance is to have a harsh ROF cap that is easily obtainable by all, then balance from this point. Those who can achieve faster ROF's can teach themselves to fire slower, provided you make the capmreasonable enough (7.85 shots per second - 470 RPM) They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 685	Posted - 2014.08.24 10:48:00 - [109] - Quote i think the charge sniper rifle needs to be changed back to where it can't hold the charge again. makes it harder to use but increase the damage to reward the guys who can actually snipe Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Scar Scrilla 340	Posted - 2014.08.24 11:41:00 - [110] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: The problem isn't the nerf bat, so much as It is the designated hitter with a batting average of .900 CCP has hired to swing it?! Every weapon they have nerfed has been rendered useless?! It's no wonder ScR users are up in arms. Just look at the AR and MD?! I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. When my AR got nerfed it was horrible. Actually I enjoy using my AR a lot again recently ... "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 685	Posted - 2014.08.24 11:55:00 - [111] - Quote Also while thinking about the ScR... didn't it used to be heat buld up per shot? cos i'm sure when i first tried it our i got about 3-4 shots off before blew up and that was on the Amarr Assault? because that would fix a lot of issues too goign back to that Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1152	Posted - 2014.08.24 13:55:00 - [112] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still... Ta-dah! If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 602	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:00:00 - [113] - Quote OP has a point.. ScR needs a nerf in the form of Heat per second changed to Heat per shot.. that way itll balance out the modded and unmodded controller players Izlare Lenix wrote: I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't. I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat. It is TOTAL BS that the ScR can be so abused and CCP has done nothing to try to mitigate the issue. I love the ScR and these fuking cheaters are pissing me off and they will cause my favorite weapon to be nerfed into the ground because we all know CCP well just nerf the ScR into a useless weapon instead of trying to address the actual issue... MODDED CONTROLLERS! [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 780	Posted - 2014.08.25 09:59:00 - [114] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. This isn't a turbo thing - guns will fire after death on occasion - used to happen with the RR a lot when i used that (pre nerf)
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 262	Posted - 2014.08.25 15:41:00 - [115] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: The problem isn't the nerf bat, so much as It is the designated hitter with a batting average of .900 CCP has hired to swing it?! Every weapon they have nerfed has been rendered useless?! It's no wonder ScR users are up in arms. Just look at the AR and MD?! I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. When my AR got nerfed it was horrible. Actually I enjoy using my AR a lot again recently ... It got buffed in hot fix bravo I believe, and it's a lot better! I'm a CQC gallente assault, and the AR is king in close quarters only rivaled by the CR! The CR's ferocious fire rate is nice, but the AR's hip fire and dmg combo is hellfire in your hand if you're spec'd in! The hot fix charlie assault buff has really brought the Gallente assault back to being that forward Frontline in your face presence! If they could just fix the ******** sieze factor on the ion pistol I would be happy?! No designer of CQC weapons would ever make a siezing close quarter weapon?! It's counter productive as hell?! That's like a shotgun that jams! Instantly getting rid of it! "Anybody order chaos?"
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 901	Posted - 2014.08.25 15:52:00 - [116] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing. This isn't a turbo thing - guns will fire after death on occasion - used to happen with the RR a lot when i used that (pre nerf) I understand this now, as was explained to me in an earlier post. Now knowing that this is a known issue without the controller, as I explained earlier a turbo controller would further exacerbate this glitch and allow people to take further advantage of it. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic


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