Then the fix is tweak the ScR right? What about the CR (i.e. RS-90 and Boundless CR) Being used like full auto with the modded controllers?

I agree with the heat build-up over shots fired instead of time part!

Some of the people who use the CR (such as myself) make it seem like we are using a modded controller, simply because we spam the trigger. I've received hate mail from multiple people because when I spammed the trigger it looked like full auto to my victims.

Trust me when you get hit by any weapon via modded controller, you will recognize the difference instantly! The heat build-up in the ScR is over time not per shot. So it seems the fix, if they can't nullify the modded controller, is to make heat build-up per shot!

As far as the tact AR and CR goes the only logical fix, barring attacking the modded controller, was a dmg nerf so severe it killed the weapon class for months for the AR?! If modded controller users aren't careful the CR is next?! I would hate that very much, but what exactly do you want CCP to do? Just let their player base get cheated?

In my opinion the ability to apply the effects of outside modifications should be removed. That way the only modifications are the ones in-game that were intended to be used. If I can mod a fitting that is effective to the point of wiping the floor with everyone, then other players should be able to setup that fit as well right?

Modded controllers, M/KB, and any other outside mod(like lag switches) aren't in-game available. The game was intended for advantage and disadvantage.

Thank you to everyone for the feedback!

OP, you have a fair point if the thing about the scrambler rifle being able to fire off more than 15ish shots with a modded controller due to the "heat per second" mechanic is true, if they could block turbo-fire controllers that would be nice, i'mma let you finish, but this **** down here needs to stop





I suppose you're right about players using what gives them an advantage, because I stopped using kb/m in favor of the DS3 since aim assist gives me a massive advantage that far outweighs my lack of experience playing first person shooters with a controller. I've been playing PC first person shooters for over a decade, the last console fps I played before dust514 was timesplitters 2.

Aim assist means I no longer constantly miss by a few pixels to either side of my enemy thanks to the jittery mouse controls, no more missing my charged scrambler rifle shot by a couple of frames, as long as I am just good enough to stay in the aim assist margin of error, every shot will land. The combat rile and scrambler rifle are absurdly efficient in my hands with aim assist now, with the mouse I was struggling to consistently kill stationary targets.

With all the other shortcomings of the kb/m implementation of this game I no longer have to deal with since giving up on the kb/m, my experience in dust 514 has improved despite the difficulty in re-learning the controls. Hell, at this point I'd probably perform better on my controller with aim assist turned off than I ever did with a mouse in dust.

kb/m is as much of a joke in this game as ps move, except hordes of players who can't even be bothered to unplug the mouse and keyboard from their desktop PC at home for 5 minutes to try it out for themselves still think its the boogeyman causing them to lose fights against tryhards

The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious.

If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now.
Gallante Assault Rifle
Assault Scrambler Rifle
Laser Rifle
Mass Driver +2 Variants
HMG (Standard Variant)
Nova Knives
Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion.

BURST ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs longer Range

TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs a harsher ROF cap

BURST COMBAT RIFLE
Needs a longer delay between burst

ASSAULT HMG
Needs greater dispersion decay

ION PISTOL
Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion

FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS)
Needs a thread to do it justice

The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious.

If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now.
Gallante Assault Rifle
Assault Scrambler Rifle
Laser Rifle
Mass Driver +2 Variants
HMG (Standard Variant)
Nova Knives
Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion.

BURST ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs longer Range

BREACH ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs even longer Range

TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs a harsher ROF cap

BURST COMBAT RIFLE
Needs a longer delay between bursts

ASSAULT COMBAT RIFLE
Needs longer range or better damage

TACTICAL SCRAMBLER RIFLE
Needs harsher ROF cap

BREACH RAIL RIFLE
Needs lower damage

ASSAULT RAIL RIFLE
Needs shorter range and higher damage

TACTICAL SNIPER RIFLE
Needs less damage and higher ROF

SNIPER RIFLE
Needs more damage

CHARGE SNIPER RIFLE
Needs considerably more damage but 1 round per Mag

BURST HMG
Needs to overheat faster still

ASSAULT HMG
Needs greater dispersion decay

SHOTGUN (inc Speacilist)
Needs lower effective range

BREACH SHOTGUN
Needs greater damage and lower dispersion

ASSAULTT SMG
Needs more Kick and Dispersion

SMG
Needs lower mag capacitu

BREACH SMG
Needs Slightly moe damage

MAGSEC
Needs lower kick

ION PISTOL
Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion

BOLT PISTOL
Needs lower concurrent Shot delay

FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS)
Needs a thread to do it justice

ASSAULT SCRAMBLER PISTOL
Needs faster ROF

SCRAMBLER PISTOL
Needs greater mag capacity

BURST SCRAMBLER PISTOL
Needs lower burst delay and less damage

BREACH SCRAMBLER PISTOL
Needs more damage

TACTICAL SCRAMBLER PISTOL
Needs less damage, higher ROF

No don't I was looking in some stores for Modded controllers just for this game just to help me with my cr bursting and to troll

Would it even work? Not to be stupid, just wouldn't it just be an ACR?

I think people are overestimating the amount of people using modded controllers.

Currently you can shoot a Scrambler Rifle and "spew out" 17 shots without overheating if done so quick enough. Just because someone has the hair trigger to do the latter doesn't mean he's using a modded controller.

In case people haven't noticed there is an obvious delay in the overheat mechanic of the Scrambler Rifle. You shoot it and a second later you see the overheat bar go up. To me this seems like an unintended mechanic that should be looked it.

The same can be done with the Tactical Assault Rifle but without the overheat.

So I'm suuuure modded controllers are an obvious problem with every quick shooter.

Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers?
Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has.
The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything.
The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict )
The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort.

I would rather CCP look into a type of code to render the spam mechanic of the turbo ineffective before nerfing the ScR?! Wouldn't you?

True, but that was of course without the modded controller right?

The term nerfing in this case is used very loosely.
If the ROF was reduced only to what is humanly possible it would only effect people using a modded controller and have no effect on people not using one.
Developing additional code to work only when a button being pressed faster than humanly possible would require more effort and a great deal more fine tuning. What should the code do when a modded controller is suspected?
Simply lowering the ROF on all weapons to a value that is considered top end for a player using a normal controller (or mouse because lets face is a mouse click is considerably easier to spam than a controller) uses existing code and i could hardly consider limiting rof to only whats humanly obtainable to be a nerf.

The problem isn't the nerf bat, so much as It is the designated hitter with a batting average of .900 CCP has hired to swing it?! Every weapon they have nerfed has been rendered useless?! It's no wonder ScR users are up in arms. Just look at the AR and MD?! I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. When my AR got nerfed it was horrible.

Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...

I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't.

I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat.

It is TOTAL BS that the ScR can be so abused and CCP has done nothing to try to mitigate the issue. I love the ScR and these fuking cheaters are pissing me off and they will cause my favorite weapon to be nerfed into the ground because we all know CCP well just nerf the ScR into a useless weapon instead of trying to address the actual issue... MODDED CONTROLLERS!

Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing.

Actually I enjoy using my AR a lot again recently ...

This isn't a turbo thing - guns will fire after death on occasion - used to happen with the RR a lot when i used that (pre nerf)