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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:20:00 -
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The problem isn't the nerf bat, so much as It is the designated hitter with a batting average of .900 CCP has hired to swing it?! Every weapon they have nerfed has been rendered useless?! It's no wonder ScR users are up in arms. Just look at the AR and MD?! I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. When my AR got nerfed it was horrible.
The real problem isn't the rifles, but CCP is too lazy and cheap to give the real fix. Make it to where modded controllers don't work on this game! I would go as far as to make the game all controller based due to the fact that kb/m players strafe far faster than they are rated, but that's another issue entirely. No modded controllers means no auto tact AR's, ScR's, or any other weapon. No nerfs needed!
For those ScR users please understand that I'm not trying to kill your weapon of choice here, but instead trying to show you that cutting through a gal assault, with 602 armor and 194 shield, before I can attempt to move is ubsurd. That's what your modded controller brethren have done for you. They have turned the entire community against you for their own kd?! Then you come to the forums to unknowingly defend the rifle that you use completely oblivious to the fact that the guys you're arguing with are not talking about "normal" ScR's?!
Nerf advocates! Stop being ********! Nerfs aren't good for anyone. Just because they completely destroyed the AR doesn't mean every weapon needs a turn at the plate?! Weapon balancing is being handled by CCP Rattati, since the neanderthal before him didn't actually test anything, and the information we give is vital to weapon balancing. Give the right info, and you won't have to nerf anything.
Modded controllers, kb/m, and anything that offers altered reactions outside of what the original game intended is the problem. Put everyone on the same playing field, and then add weaponry with the various specialties. You can't honestly say anything isn't OP if players are using modded controllers can you? A normal ScR against Caldari fits does well, but add a modded controller and it looks like you got hit by a bus! The same goes for the RS-90 and Boundless CR. Some sound as if you have a six kin, but faster?! I remember the tact rifles and the way ppl abused em with the modded controllers?! It ruins the game.
So let's advocate for the right fix guys! Don't doom the ScR to the same fate as so many other weapons just to have the modders move to the next cheat?!
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vincent FF7 514
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:21:00 -
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The problem is....
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Mr Machine Guns
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:28:00 -
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OP you do realize how it would be dumb to use a modded controller with a SR
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:32:00 -
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vincent FF7 514 wrote:
every damn thing according.to the community.
If I am moving at a strafe rate faster than you what do you do? At first you add speed mods and spec into your speed til you max out right? Then you max out the same fit right? Then what? You can only spec to max. How is the opponent still out strafing you?
If I max out my dmg mods to proto, stack em 5 high, and still you rip through my 500 armor/150 shield with a militia CR what do you do? I'm talking head-to-head, we both start shooting at the same time, but you have less armor with a militia rifle and you win the engagement...... and kill my partner too?
That's the advantages modded controllers and kb/m give. Aim assist does nothing to balance this out either. Not even close! If there was no advantage players wouldn't use it. It's really very simple.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:38:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR
Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really?
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:49:00 -
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I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't.
I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat.
It is TOTAL BS that the ScR can be so abused and CCP has done nothing to try to mitigate the issue. I love the ScR and these fuking cheaters are pissing me off and they will cause my favorite weapon to be nerfed into the ground because we all know CCP well just nerf the ScR into a useless weapon instead of trying to address the actual issue... MODDED CONTROLLERS!
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:50:00 -
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everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old .
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:04:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old .
Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?!
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:10:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?!
give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs.
and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol
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Mobius Kaethis
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:15:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I have used a ScR for almost 8 months with a DS3. I personally know two players that use the ScR with a modded controller and we have tested it multiple times and proved that they can fire more shoots before they overheat than I can. Same weapon. Same skills. Both used a scout suit. The only difference is they had a modded controller and I don't.
I can fire about 18 shoots before I overheat and they were constantly firing 23-25 shoots before overheat.
Could you get some video of this to show CCP? If so it would be very compelling.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:18:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs.
One bad apple has obviously spoiled the whole bunch. How about addressing the issue? Do you deny that modded controller capabilities should go? As I have said I am not after any nerf, but instead after the true problem. Skill less modded controller users are, and just one douchebags can ruin a whole weapon class for everyone! Any thoughts on MODDED CONTROLLERS? No? Then move on!
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Mr Machine Guns
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:19:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really?
The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them?
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:20:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? rekt |
Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:21:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old . Read again, very carefully, and you will see that I'm an advocate for the ScR NOT getting nerfed. Do away with modded controllers, and you won't need any nerfs. The modded controllers caused the AR nerf right? The ScR was around then too, and tact AR's being abused with modded controllers were tearing them up?! give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs. One bad apple has obviously spoiled the whole bunch. How about addressing the issue? Do you deny that modded controller capabilities should go? As I have said I am not after any nerf, but instead after the true problem. Skill less modded controller users are, and just one douchebags can ruin a whole weapon class for everyone! Any thoughts on MODDED CONTROLLERS? No? Then move on!
ive zero thoughts on modded controllers because i never see them, infact the only people who see them are the ones that get killed by scrams
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:23:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them?
Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:27:00 -
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Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right?
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:27:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game |
Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:32:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it.
and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:32:00 -
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Patrlck 56 wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game
Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true?
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:35:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Nope, never used one.... you? I just know that if a proto ScR charges a shot then fires 4 more times to kill me, he should have to wait to engage my partner due to overheat right? Everyone playing this game isn't completely ********, and most are quite tactical. There's no way, with heat build up, that a player is killing 2 and 3 at a time in rapid succession?! While being fired at? Really? The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them? Look up a few comments where it is explained that they do indeed heat up less. As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped! im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it. and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads
You start reading with preconceived ideas already in your head smh?! So you missed the part where I stated that nothing needs to be done to any rifle, but instead the ability to use modded controllers altered. Try opening your mind to the opinion of others before going on the attack. o7
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Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:40:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf[/quote wrote:You start reading with preconceived ideas already in your head smh?! So you missed the part where I stated that nothing needs to be done to any rifle, but instead the ability to use modded controllers altered. Try opening your mind to the opinion of others before going on the attack. o7
i wish they would coz it would stop threads about turbo scram users being posted every 5 mins and it might cut down on the abusive ingame messages
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:41:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right? You realize modded controllers and SCR don't go all that well together you overheat really quickly and if you slow down your shots which is the complete opposite of what modded controllers do you can get more shots off without overheating and if you overheat going up against multiple enemies your screwed.
BTW I run shield based suits so if anything I hate SCRs but I don't come on the forums complaining about them when it's not an issue.
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:48:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Except it wouldn't be.
The heat sink is based on a "Heat Cost per Second" value, like the Laser Rifle. The amount of shots you can land before you overheat is entirely dependent on your ability to spam the R1 button. As such, using a Modded Controller allows you to "fire" at the max RPM, thus giving you an insane amount of shots while overheating at the same time as you would w/o the modded controller.
This is why it's so effective to use modded controllers with them. A lot more shots are fired in a much shorter period of time, but you still overheat at the same time as an "honest" user would. If you don't believe me, then grab a Stopwatch and then begin fire the SCR slowly (but don't stop till you overheat).. Do the same, but fire it as fast as you possibly can. You'll notice that the time before overheating is exactly the same.
If that doesn't convince you, press Gū¦ and then read the thing saying: "Heat Cost per Second".
Though this isn't only a problem with SCRs. Using a Turbo Controller with a CR basically makes it a long range ACR with more DPS, and it removes the recoil from the AR.
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:53:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Patrlck 56 wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? pics or it didn't happen |
Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:02:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Most of the time in the forums the defenders are often the offenders. If your gun-game is as raw as you say then the removal of the ability to use modded controllers wouldn't bother you right? You realize modded controllers and SCR don't go all that well together you overheat really quickly and if you slow down your shots which is the complete opposite of what modded controllers do you can get more shots off without overheating and if you overheat going up against multiple enemies your screwed. BTW I run shield based suits so if anything I hate SCRs but I don't come on the forums complaining about them when it's not an issue.
Do any of you actually READ the title atleast lol? I don't have a problem with the ScR, but the application of the modded controller was an issue long before they found the ScR. It's the modded controllers effect on any weapon. It does NOT overheat quicker, but exactly the opposite! That's why ppl use it. Let's have CCP work on removing the ability to use modded controllers, and then wait for the results! No nerfs, just the modded controllers go.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:08:00 -
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Patrlck 56 wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Patrlck 56 wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:As a matter of fact let's just remove the capability to use them on any rifle, or in-game period. I bet the nerf issue gets dropped!
And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game Sure you can! There are plenty of games turbo controllers do not effect at all, regardless of how you try. Is this not true? pics or it didn't happen
That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress
Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR Except it wouldn't be. The heat sink is based on a "Heat Cost per Second" value, like the Laser Rifle. The amount of shots you can land before you overheat is entirely dependent on your ability to spam the R1 button. As such, using a Modded Controller allows you to "fire" at the max RPM, thus giving you an insane amount of shots while overheating at the same time as you would w/o the modded controller. This is why it's so effective to use modded controllers with them. A lot more shots are fired in a much shorter period of time, but you still overheat at the same time as an "honest" user would. If you don't believe me, then grab a Stopwatch and then begin fire the SCR slowly (but don't stop till you overheat).. Do the same, but fire it as fast as you possibly can. You'll notice that the time before overheating is exactly the same. If that doesn't convince you, press Gū¦ and then read the thing saying: "Heat Cost per Second". Though this isn't only a problem with SCRs. Using a Turbo Controller with a CR basically makes it a long range ACR with more DPS, and it removes the recoil from the AR.
Oh trust me they know, but thank you for explaining that so thoroughly! They will try to change the subject over and over, but my point remains the same. They will try to win over the viewer by saying that I'm after the ScR, but I'm not. I am, as I have always been, after the cheater, hacker, and exploited of the game! Let tactics prevail over their abuses! o7
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:38:00 -
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The problem seems to be disproportionally high lethality...
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Red line snipers and tankers hate it.
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:51:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:That's what all of you keep saying, but how would removing the modded controllers being used hurt? No harm done to the ScR right? Oh wait .... it would hurt the modded controller users, and you know it don't you? It would put those scrubs on the same playing field as everyone else, and some of them own districts right? There's a scary thought that probably sends chills down your spine right? I digress Beside my HD pro is in the mail, and soon I will be recording..... a lot of things The **** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck.
anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the **** you would do that. |
Blondie Roads
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:01:00 -
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I hate to inform you folks...... But there is no way to remove the funtionality of a modded controller. All a turbo contoll does is emulate a stock contoller, it does how ever use a chip that can save and or adjust the rate of the actions being pushed. The only way to remove the usefullness of it would be to slow gun fire rates to speed slow slow that it would make it worthless to attempt to adjust fire by feathering the trigger. Doing this to the weapons in the game would further dumb down and weaken and already sour shooter. You Sir (op) are exagerating a problem with modded controllers to explain why you can not compete, or affourd a 25 dollar controller. Fyi all mice do a better job of manipulating fire rates to a fine art but still.. This is not even close to becoming game breaking. Want to do better in dust? Try and turn your resolution down to 480 or 720.
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