every damn thing according.to the community.

OP you do realize how dumb it would be to use a modded controller with a SR

everybody who uses a scram is a cheater is all i hear now, and its getting old .

give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs.

The heat buildup with a modded controller would be so bad, but according to you what you are saying is that the heat buildup with a modded controller is less how would you know that to be true unless you use them?

And how do you suggest CCP go about doing that, o mighty one? you can't just "remove" the controllers from the game

im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it.

and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads

You realize modded controllers and SCR don't go all that well together you overheat really quickly and if you slow down your shots which is the complete opposite of what modded controllers do you can get more shots off without overheating and if you overheat going up against multiple enemies your screwed.

BTW I run shield based suits so if anything I hate SCRs but I don't come on the forums complaining about them when it's not an issue.

pics or it didn't happen

Except it wouldn't be.

The heat sink is based on a "Heat Cost per Second" value, like the Laser Rifle. The amount of shots you can land before you overheat is entirely dependent on your ability to spam the R1 button. As such, using a Modded Controller allows you to "fire" at the max RPM, thus giving you an insane amount of shots while overheating at the same time as you would w/o the modded controller.

This is why it's so effective to use modded controllers with them. A lot more shots are fired in a much shorter period of time, but you still overheat at the same time as an "honest" user would. If you don't believe me, then grab a Stopwatch and then begin fire the SCR slowly (but don't stop till you overheat).. Do the same, but fire it as fast as you possibly can. You'll notice that the time before overheating is exactly the same.

If that doesn't convince you, press Gû¦ and then read the thing saying: "Heat Cost per Second".

Though this isn't only a problem with SCRs. Using a Turbo Controller with a CR basically makes it a long range ACR with more DPS, and it removes the recoil from the AR.

The **** is your problem? I don't use a modded controller, and don't know anyone who does. I just assume that if you accuse someone of using a modded controller you suck.

Not if they are actually using them I don't because technically the fact that they have to use em means they suck! If they were using the same controllers as everyone else they loose the advantage over everyone, and perhaps only have the intended advantage of the weapon!

anyway, I didn't say it would hurt to "remove the controllers from the game", I just want to know how the **** you would do that.

I hate to inform you folks...... But there is no way to remove the funtionality of a modded controller. All a turbo contoll does is emulate a stock contoller, it does how ever use a chip that can save and or adjust the rate of the actions being pushed. The only way to remove the usefullness of it would be to slow gun fire rates to speed slow slow that it would make it worthless to attempt to adjust fire by feathering the trigger. Doing this to the weapons in the game would further dumb down and weaken and already sour shooter. You Sir (op) are exagerating a problem with modded controllers to explain why you can not compete, or affourd a 25 dollar controller. Fyi all mice do a better job of manipulating fire rates to a fine art but still.. This is not even close to becoming game breaking. Want to do better in dust? Try and turn your resolution down to 480 or 720.

Not sure what kind of ****** ****** up ******** logic you think you're using.

Sorry, are those words too big for you?

The problem seems to be disproportionally high lethality...

They can't block the controller is obvious, but if they can know who is using one i think there is a way to ban the console mac address from the dust servers. But killing like hmm 1/4 f the player base(maybe more or less) will kill the game sooner.

I never knew about the modded controllers. Now i understand how those Caldari scouts can shoots those Scramblers so fast without getting burn while they are super strafing and with super precision.

I wonder what will happen if really the games become reduced to skill, like half "OP" player base will be reduced to crappy players?.

The only mod that my controlled have is a broken right analog is always moving to the right, you need skill to maintained centered.

I checked and the best number of shots I could get was 18 before overheat but that was not in an Amarr suit. BPO scrambler rifle.

Tac got nerfed back in BETA due to modded controller scrubs -

Another potential tell for a modded controller is if they continue firing after death. Numerous times in the past few weeks I've been killed by someone with a SCR who is already dead. I'll engage, watch them fall to the ground dead and yet SCR bullets are still flying from his body, which happen to miraculously kill me. I'm guessing it has to do with the the turbo registering so many shots before they die so when they die the server still thinks they are firing.

Because it's heat build up per second, not per shot. Common sense dictates that if you can fire more shots per second, the heat build is the same.

You should both know this already. If the heat build up was per shot, the modded or turbo controller would no longer have an advantage.

show me one post anybody has made protecting modded controllers

Recoil per shot, heat build up per shot. Would remove the advantage that turbo/modded controllers have.

Sure you can fire faster but the weapon will heat up or climb a lot faster. Common Pat, this is a easy concept that has been around for along time.

Also did you get banned again?

if you dont want to point out where somebody is protecting modded controllers dont say stupid **** like this

Stop trying to blame your own lack of ability on things that aren't actually true, it makes you look stupid.
You ever tried playing with KB/M? You should try it, you might notice that there's actually no difference in the speed at which you can strafe.
And don't even get me started on modded controllers, the amount of times I've been accused of using one just goes to show that most of you guys don't have a clue and will accuse anyone that kills you consistently.

point out where is said modded controllers could not be removed and that i want to keep them

numptys standing still hacking are a scrambler users wet dream, in noway does it mean hes a cheater. methinks youve been beasted one too many times and assume cheater coz you died

give it up m8 you try to make it sound like every game you go into is full of scram users with turbo pads, which is utter bs.

and for the record the tac gat nerfed for the same reason as the scram pistol

im fully aware of the whole 2 or three extra shots you can get from you tube vids of them not in combat, yet ive never seen any in actual combat because its just not worth it.

and if you fix scrams because of turbo pads you would have to fix every other rifle except the normal rail, yet i never see fix assault rifle or combat rifle threads

@bradric

like you quote me saying, i never see turbo scrams in combat so i dont see things i never see as a problem. i also say if you fix the the scram because of turbo pads you would have to fix assault and combat rifles also. i dont see the point your trying to make

Ahhh no!! there is a small benefit a M/KB offers. and thats being able to run forward at full speed and sidestepping by tapping 'A' and 'D' everything else is down to player skill with their controller just as you say
not only that but using a M/KB will not make you a better player if you're a thourough bred console gamer (liek myself) who can't use M/KB. although on th erare occassion i get called onto my sniper alt i'll use my laser mouse to snipe with (and perhaps laser rifle) simply because of slightly finer movement over the DS3 but really guys just accept that sometimes the other players are better than you lol

you skip over the part where i said i use DS3? and even though i have access to a modded controller it's no use to me because i'm a logi through n through since i startd this game over 2yrs ago so having a modded controller doesn't work with my repper and its a proper ball ache turning it on/off and on my logi suits i use the ever faithful (and OP) Rail Rifle because a standard RR still outperforms my Boundless CR even with modded controller

Also worth noting the reason i'm a logi is cos i'm generally pretty bad at FPS games, again due to poor dexterity in my hand when the cold weather comes in.

but as the op has mentioned. the only reason a lot of folk use certain weapons is because they're OP and the FOTM and they're the ones crying when the nerf bat comes along. look at all the MD/Flaylock spam, laser spam, TAC rifle spam over the months and years. people find trends and abuse the 'easy mode' for easy kills, but thats generally broken mechanics and not outside modifications. you can't force a 1000rpm gun to fire at 1100rmp via a modded controller. a ScR will overheat faster using one because of the speed you fire. but there are certain weapons out there that are over used simply because they're OP. on my alt i have a militia rail rifle (on the caldari frontline suit). zero skills in any weaponry at the moment yet the other day i had a proto heavy run for cover when i was shooting at him from about 60m. there is clearly something wrong there. thats not via a modded controller, thats via some broken a*s mechanics

I said this waaaaaaaaay back when the tac AR was fotm and people were up in arms about turbo controllers, you can hit that button damn fast if you try and most people who tend towards the semi auto high damage weapons can do that

Granted the scrambler needs a bit of tweaking such as heat being based on shots fired and not seconds fired but turbo controllers arent as large of a problem as they might seem

Some of the people who use the CR (such as myself) make it seem like we are using a modded controller, simply because we spam the trigger. I've received hate mail from multiple people because when I spammed the trigger it looked like full auto to my victims.

OP, you have a fair point if the thing about the scrambler rifle being able to fire off more than 15ish shots with a modded controller due to the "heat per second" mechanic is true, if they could block turbo-fire controllers that would be nice, i'mma let you finish, but this **** down here needs to stop





I suppose you're right about players using what gives them an advantage, because I stopped using kb/m in favor of the DS3 since aim assist gives me a massive advantage that far outweighs my lack of experience playing first person shooters with a controller. I've been playing PC first person shooters for over a decade, the last console fps I played before dust514 was timesplitters 2.

Aim assist means I no longer constantly miss by a few pixels to either side of my enemy thanks to the jittery mouse controls, no more missing my charged scrambler rifle shot by a couple of frames, as long as I am just good enough to stay in the aim assist margin of error, every shot will land. The combat rile and scrambler rifle are absurdly efficient in my hands with aim assist now, with the mouse I was struggling to consistently kill stationary targets.

With all the other shortcomings of the kb/m implementation of this game I no longer have to deal with since giving up on the kb/m, my experience in dust 514 has improved despite the difficulty in re-learning the controls. Hell, at this point I'd probably perform better on my controller with aim assist turned off than I ever did with a mouse in dust.

kb/m is as much of a joke in this game as ps move, except hordes of players who can't even be bothered to unplug the mouse and keyboard from their desktop PC at home for 5 minutes to try it out for themselves still think its the boogeyman causing them to lose fights against tryhards

The AR is perfect, the MD is glorious.

If anything I would say there only 8 balanced Infantry weapons in this game right now.
Gallante Assault Rifle
Assault Scrambler Rifle
Laser Rifle
Mass Driver +2 Variants
HMG (Standard Variant)
Nova Knives
Pretty much everything else needs a buff or a nerf in my opinion.

BURST ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs longer Range

TACTICAL ASSAULT RIFLE
Needs a harsher ROF cap

BURST COMBAT RIFLE
Needs a longer delay between burst

ASSAULT HMG
Needs greater dispersion decay

ION PISTOL
Needs greater charge shot damage and less dispersion

FLAYLOCK PISTOL (+VARIANTS)
Needs a thread to do it justice

I think people are overestimating the amount of people using modded controllers.

Currently you can shoot a Scrambler Rifle and "spew out" 17 shots without overheating if done so quick enough. Just because someone has the hair trigger to do the latter doesn't mean he's using a modded controller.

In case people haven't noticed there is an obvious delay in the overheat mechanic of the Scrambler Rifle. You shoot it and a second later you see the overheat bar go up. To me this seems like an unintended mechanic that should be looked it.

The same can be done with the Tactical Assault Rifle but without the overheat.

So I'm suuuure modded controllers are an obvious problem with every quick shooter.

Just curious about this. How could a game ever be made to not allow modded controllers?
Esentially its just a controller that sends the signal that button x was pressed many more times than what the person has.
The signal itself is the same and it uses the same interface and everything.
The only way i can think that it might work would be to have a hardware verification on the console that only allowed sony certified controllers ( similar to what sony does with the blue ray drives but much less strict )
The only nerfing that makes sense in a situation like this would be to limit the rof to something that is humanly obtainable, this would still lend a slight advantage to those using moded or turbo controllers since they would hit the max rof with little effort.

Actually I enjoy using my AR a lot again recently ...