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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:50:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:See i'm fine if a map has an advantage provided the attacker gets it.
I hated how defenders got the advantage on bridge maps by having that high ground slope down to their home point.
Much prefer it's easier to attack than to defend.
As much as i agree, this is just our preference, it makes no sense for the attack to hold the advantage over the defender, it should always be the other way around.
But the perk shouldn't be terrain advantage, not in this game, it gives a huge edge. The advantage should be something small, like 5% increase reload time for defense. :(
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3932
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:59:00 -
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well, actually I rather feel attackers should have the element of choosing the time of battle and defenders get terrain advantage.
but since this is never likely to happen i'm of the opinion flipping districts back and forth because attacker has an advantage just demonstrates neither of the 2 corps is significantly better than the other. whereas a corp may get the best of a corp on one night and because of having defender advantage after flipping can hold out till the other corp has an off night.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:27:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:well, actually I rather feel attackers should have the element of choosing the time of battle and defenders get terrain advantage.
but since this is never likely to happen i'm of the opinion flipping districts back and forth because attacker has an advantage just demonstrates neither of the 2 corps is significantly better than the other. whereas a corp may get the best of a corp on one night and because of having defender advantage after flipping can hold out till the other corp has an off night.
This isn't anything to go off of, though.
When considering attack vs defense, it's almost completely irrelevant that one team may have the excuse of "Not everyone was on that i needed"
A corp is allowed 100+ people without needing too much SP - and you're allowed in an alliance to find more ringers. Dust's PC system should have 0 thought going into any sort of notion that one side has players absent. Especially considering we're a mercenary game - always consider everything as if both teams are ready to go - because they should be, no excuses.
With that in mind - Advantages in of themselves take away from any sort of notion of competition. If your looking for a way to 'even the odds' through different advantages given to both sides you may as well stop, CCP won't be capable of doing anything short of just remaking the programming they already have.
Which brings us back to the OP - sadly, all the old maps are terrible for PC.
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
1087
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:30:00 -
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I would really love Line Harvest in PC as it, along with Ashland are my two favorite maps to play.
A few concerns though would be the defenders having too much of an advantage with the two covered buildings as their closest flags. Other then that, I would really like to see how/if corps would utilize the towers
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It's Not Safe to Swim.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
469
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:40:00 -
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All the new maps are too big for PC. We really need 32v32 for those.
Line Harvest gives a huge advantage to the side with the covered letters. The attackers getting this is interesting though.
Ashlands? lol no. Hated that map in the 8v8 days. Race to the area above Bravo and you win.
Definitely bring back green mushroom to research labs. I won't even attack a lab because Lag City is so awful in PC.
Whatever happens I don't want to see rotating maps on districts. Building the team and planning your attack according to the map is my favorite part of dust. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3932
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:51:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:I would really love Line Harvest in PC as it, along with Ashland are my two favorite maps to play.
A few concerns though would be the defenders having too much of an advantage with the two covered buildings as their closest flags. Other then that, I would really like to see how/if corps would utilize the towers
as stated i'd just give the advantage side to attackers.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3932
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:54:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:I would really love Line Harvest in PC as it, along with Ashland are my two favorite maps to play.
A few concerns though would be the defenders having too much of an advantage with the two covered buildings as their closest flags. Other then that, I would really like to see how/if corps would utilize the towers
as stated i'd just give the advantage side to attackers.
if we can give no advantage to either side...sweet.
maps like border gulch and fracture road are awesome for that.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5745
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:11:00 -
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You could do it so it's a different map for each reup, and the attackers get to pick the maps when they launch the first attack excluding the final battle which will be played out on the set socket. The defenders also get a mail telling them which maps will be used allowing them to plan for every battle two days beforehand.
Gives the attacker an advantage without having to go into timers and ****.
If that doesn't work do a different battle for each reup but send both sides a notification telling them which maps they'll be fighting on. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3933
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:22:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:You could do it so it's a different map for each reup, and the attackers get to pick the maps when they launch the first attack excluding the final battle which will be played out on the set socket. The defenders also get a mail telling them which maps will be used allowing them to plan for every battle two days beforehand.
Gives the attacker an advantage without having to go into timers and ****.
If that doesn't work do a different battle for each reup but send both sides a notification telling them which maps they'll be fighting on.
We're talking hotfix only bud.
Big difference between changing some map files and a bunch of client changes.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:23:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:
Which brings us back to the OP - sadly, all the old maps are terrible for PC.
I don't think all the old maps are bad. and I don't think that point has been made adequately. It's just time for a change. What major advantages are there to fracture road and border gulch?
Those weren't too bad, just reduce the red-zone a bit, change turret placements.
If this is all we can ask for, then let it be done!
I'm especially excited to see people actually putting turrets into there over-all strategies. I hear several corps have found uses for 'em as a better AV for home point defense.
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5745
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:28:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:You could do it so it's a different map for each reup, and the attackers get to pick the maps when they launch the first attack excluding the final battle which will be played out on the set socket. The defenders also get a mail telling them which maps will be used allowing them to plan for every battle two days beforehand.
Gives the attacker an advantage without having to go into timers and ****.
If that doesn't work do a different battle for each reup but send both sides a notification telling them which maps they'll be fighting on. We're talking hotfix only bud. Big difference between changing some map files and a bunch of client changes.
I can dream!
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2992
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:29:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:You could do it so it's a different map for each reup, and the attackers get to pick the maps when they launch the first attack excluding the final battle which will be played out on the set socket. The defenders also get a mail telling them which maps will be used allowing them to plan for every battle two days beforehand.
Gives the attacker an advantage without having to go into timers and ****.
If that doesn't work do a different battle for each reup but send both sides a notification telling them which maps they'll be fighting on. We're talking hotfix only bud. Big difference between changing some map files and a bunch of client changes.
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3933
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:31:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
i've never seen anything in the battle finder about map points.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2992
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:38:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
i've never seen anything in the battle finder about map points.
I could be wrong but I'll check when I'm next on.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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lionshead nebula
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
231
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:42:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
i've never seen anything in the battle finder about map points.
After you begin the waiting deployment time, in battle finder it will tell you the number of points, and a number of useless info.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3933
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:48:00 -
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lionshead nebula wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
i've never seen anything in the battle finder about map points. After you begin the waiting deployment time, in battle finder it will tell you the number of points, and a number of useless info.
Lionshead! o/
Cool, 2 people independently confirming is enough for me.  Although I'm a complete nub for not noticing this, or drawing a blank.
I'll check it out.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
They call me ~Princess Zatata~
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lionshead nebula
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
232
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:52:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:lionshead nebula wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
In public contracts when your waiting for battle and you stay in the battle finder doesn't it say how many points are on the map whether it is 3/4/5, while their wouldn't be any way to differentiate between other 5 point maps it would be a small step towards identifying the map and since it already exists in a form I don't see why it can't be transferred to Corporate Contracts.
i've never seen anything in the battle finder about map points. After you begin the waiting deployment time, in battle finder it will tell you the number of points, and a number of useless info. Lionshead! o/ Cool, 2 people independently confirming is enough for me. Although I'm a complete nub for not noticing this, or drawing a blank. I'll check it out.
I noticed it queuing FacWar not sure about pubs.
Edit: o/ Zatara.
Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2992
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:46:00 -
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Here is a pic http://imgur.com/fAhxhus
Information given to you for a PC http://imgur.com/peklaMK
And how could you notice it playing so much ambush and dom 
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3935
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:53:00 -
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True dat! Ok cool i'll see what we can do.
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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Palatinate
Inner.Hell
476
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Posted - 2014.08.23 22:14:00 -
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I want a jungle map. Make it happen Zatata! 
"Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3
Me: lol what?
FA will always be a family to me. ALWAYS.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2994
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Posted - 2014.08.23 22:22:00 -
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Palatinate wrote:I want a jungle map. Make it happen Zatata!
*Thinks of scouts*
*Shivers in fear*
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Palatinate
Inner.Hell
476
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Posted - 2014.08.23 22:33:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Palatinate wrote:I want a jungle map. Make it happen Zatata! *Thinks of scouts* *Shivers in fear*
*Thinks of Vehicles Being Useless*
*Laughs Maniacally*
"Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3
Me: lol what?
FA will always be a family to me. ALWAYS.
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Thermoris Togeras
DETHDEALERS
RISE of LEGION
76
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:25:00 -
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if u took out the gallente research facility and replaced it with the green city i bet u would see more people using the surface research facility in PC because the lag on the map i just plain stupid
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
115
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:55:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:sadly picking what map it is simply won't be possible, we are still bound by hotfixes. Although I certainly don't know why it costs 100 mill to change a installation type. Any offers on what it should be gents? 
seems like it should cost relative to what you get out of the installation you buy
each one should cost different
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discard what is not,
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2014.08.24 00:27:00 -
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:sadly picking what map it is simply won't be possible, we are still bound by hotfixes. Although I certainly don't know why it costs 100 mill to change a installation type. Any offers on what it should be gents? seems like it should cost relative to what you get out of the installation you buy each one should cost different
I disagree you should get different things out of installations but they should be equal in value if one was "worth" more than another than it would be "OP" and everyone would change their installations to that one so in a sense "spamming" it thus leading to no diversity.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2014.08.24 00:30:00 -
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Palatinate wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Palatinate wrote:I want a jungle map. Make it happen Zatata! *Thinks of scouts* *Shivers in fear* *Thinks of Vehicles Being Useless* *Laughs Maniacally*
*Invests into ADS*
*Insanely Evil laugh*
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Funkmaster Whale
Whale Farm
2377
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Posted - 2014.08.24 02:42:00 -
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Here's what you do.
You take the Gallente Lag Facility and you set in on fire. Put the ashes in a box, strap it to a rocket, and shoot that f*cker into space, preferably towards a nearby star. Get one of those red flashing things from Men in Black and purge everyone's memory of that atrocious, horrendous f*cking facility.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3968
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:12:00 -
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Updated OP.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4386
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:15:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:You would want which and why?
Update:
These are my suggestions for new maps:
Cargo Hubs
Retain 5 point 3 city, swap out bridge map out in rotation for Fracture Road.
Production Facility
Retain 5 point 3 city, swap out bridge for Border Gulch.
Research Lab
Swap out for green walls 5 point 3 city/bridge map, and line harvest with attackers given the OB shielded objectives.
Thoughts?
I like it.
Fracture Road would be a freaking massacre in PC, lol.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4386
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:17:00 -
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I was actually thinking of Line Harvest when I posted that.
But can you imagine the fight over B on Fracture Road? All those Doms would finally pay off!
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