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137H4RGIC SVER True Blood 240	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:03:00 - [1] - Quote Eat Heavies. Heavies stand not a single chance against a scout with half a measure of skill. I've played both sides. I have a scout maxed in minmitar scout with maxed nova knives and this is my heavy specialist. having 1300 HP, I can be oneshot by a nova knife. No issue. Makes hacking a death sentence for any heavy hacking a point with a scout speed fit and nova knife damage mod fit, a death sentence. A SIDEARM that does 1300 damage, has aim assist and can kill a heavy in three hits without a charge? Come on now, that's rediculous. Nova knife scouts are now better anti heavies than other heavies. Taking a look at the stats, a proto minmi scout can fit 3 complex sidearm damage mods, which is some diminishing return number slightly above 18% damage increase, plus the BASE damage increase from the skill for the suit (which is 25%). You take the base damage for ishukone nova knives which is 200, and somehow end up with over 1000 damage in one hit after a charged hit? I can't turn up the sensitivity high enough to react to them quickly enough. Not to mention, that a scout can also fit a sub machine gun, which acts as a micro heavy machine gun with 1052 RPM, with more damage per shot than a heavy machine gun, and it's complex damage mods are much stronger than what a heavy has access to? I'm seeing something kinda broken here... Or is it just me and I should learn to HTFU to that which I cannot counter as a heavy? BTW, I have a seriously easy time killing anyone attempting to hack anything. Nova knife... If they turn to run away and dodge, just switch to SMG, hipfire GG. EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 240	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:21:00 - [2] - Quote Its called getting assassinated, deal with it. I wonder how long it will be before we get 'op Amarr scan passives, nerf dat ting yo!'. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion 240	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:57:00 - [3] - Quote Cool. There's an intelligent contributor to the issue! Great feedback man! You're exactly what I'd expect you to be. Don't bother giving constructive criticism, that's for immature people :D You're alright in my book. EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 217	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:18:00 - [4] - Quote But to fit 3 comp dam mods and speed fit the suit you are using no tanking modules ( ok speed tank ). This with max skills will put you at around 260 HP. That suit will die very quickly if caught. It sacrifices a lot to get within 2 metres to kill you. Also a heavy hacking a point, why are you alone? I suppose CCP are maybe trying to get sidearms used a little more with the stat difference. Also HF Dekta will be looking at sidearms. Minmatar logi <3 Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9100	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:25:00 - [5] - Quote You're ignoring one very critical thing about pure-alpha-damage Minmatar Scouts. They sacrifice a lot of shields to achieve that. I run a maxed out Minmatar Scout as well and attack ONLY with the knives. Despite the fact that I am able to drop a heavy on the first hit, I'm extremely vulnerable. I have no shield mods and fitting armor plates or reactive plates will only slow me down on a suit meant for speed and speed is my only defense. My total EHP is nothing more than 197. That's it. A single mass driver round drunkingly shot at my general direction will wipe me off the face of the map. SMGs can kill me in not even a fraction of a clip. Flaylocks will Fillet me. An LAV grazing me is a death sentence. A fall can potentially paralyze me if the gaming gods someday decide to hate me. I'm sacrificing a lot of protection here just to OHK you. Also, the Min Scout is not known for effectively evading scanners especially EWAR scouts that can see me regardless of my complex profile dampener. As a heavy, you need to stick with your team even if you're a solo player. Statistics always prove that your likelihood of survival increases the longer you stick with the pack. If you have an Amarr Scout or any other player that specialized in countering scouts in your squad, then you're good to go. Therefore, if I managed to get close enough to you, I deserve a chance at OHK-ing you. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4354	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:25:00 - [6] - Quote Scenario A One 350HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. How many seconds will it take for him to shank all three Heavies? Odds of Success: Very Low Possible? Yes Realistic? No Difficult? Absolutely Scenario B 3 350HP NK Scouts in front of one 1300HP HMG Heavy. How many seconds does it take to mow down all three Scouts? Odds of Success: Very High Possible? Yes Realistic? Yes Difficult? Absolutely not Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
shady merc RisingSuns Dark Taboo 50	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:39:00 - [7] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Eat Heavies. Heavies stand not a single chance against a scout with half a measure of skill. I've played both sides. I have a scout maxed in minmitar scout with maxed nova knives and this is my heavy specialist. having 1300 HP, I can be oneshot by a nova knife. No issue. Makes hacking a death sentence for any heavy hacking a point with a scout speed fit and nova knife damage mod fit, a death sentence. A SIDEARM that does 1300 damage, has aim assist and can kill a heavy in three hits without a charge? Come on now, that's ridiculous. Nova knife scouts are now better anti heavies than other heavies. BTW, I have a seriously easy time killing anyone attempting to hack anything. Nova knife... If they turn to run away and dodge, just switch to SMG, hipfire GG. heavies being the best anti-heavy hinges on OP, It should never take the same class to best something. While the Nova Knifes did become easier to use they give up a lot to do this and unless your a tanked out scout which I doubt since you run knives I would venture to say your time to kill a heavy is very close to a heavy's time to kill your scout. On to the point of killing anything hacking that is a problem for most suit and can be mitigated by code breakers slightly. The real issue with hacking is 2 part. 1. your hacking is broadcasted to the world, this becomes a problem since maps cluster 2 or 3 objectives together and you can go from almost one objective to the other before they finish the hack. 2. the circular design allows you to sneak up on the person hacking regardless of which direction you come from. This stop the hacker from being able to prepare for the incoming wave of enemies since they don't have a 360 degree view and the more time they wait to hack the more enemies will spawn on said cannon.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 87	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:58:00 - [8] - Quote Obligatory 'thing that kills me is overpowered' post. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 582	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:08:00 - [9] - Quote dear OP. your tears are delicious i take some masochistic pride in being knifed, shows the scout has balls to get up close, closer then a shotgun to kill you moral of the story.. keep your ass to the wall and your eyes open [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 582	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:11:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Scenario A One 300HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. Odds of successfully shanking all three Heavies? * TTK (per Heavy): 3-4 seconds * Engagement Duration: 15-30 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: No * Difficulty: Extreme * Odds of Success: Very Low Scenario B Three 300HP NK Scouts in front of one 1300HP HMG Heavy. Odds of successfully mowing down all three Scouts? * TTK (per Scout): 0.35-0.75 seconds * Engagement Duration: 2-3 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: Yes * Difficulty: Cakewalk * Odds of Success: Very High i would actually say if all the heavys backs are toward the scout and the scout is.. A MINJA! with proto knives and sidearm damage mods (incase he has to shank a proto sentinel) i would say TTK each heavy would be the time it takes to charge the knives 3 times. basically.. situational.. minjas have to be stealthy opportunistic and strike form behind to servive, where as shotgun crutch users would just 2-3 shot each heavy while dancing around them [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2279	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:13:00 - [11] - Quote Im honestly torn on the NK/shotgun issue. On one hand: scouts are assassins. They should be good at it. On the other hand: the ease of getting into optimal killshot range is frustrating. I wind up in a lot of matches with 8+ scouts. Its just as asinine as 8 heavies. You would think that a sentinel (no matter my commentary are optimized for defense) has zero chance of spotting an inbound scout unless the stars align.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4355	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:50:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scenario A One 300HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. Odds of successfully shanking all three Heavies? * TTK (per Heavy): 3-4 seconds * Engagement Duration: 15-30 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: No * Difficulty: Extreme * Odds of Success: Very Low Scenario B Three 300HP NK Scouts in front of one 1300HP HMG Heavy. Odds of successfully mowing down all three Scouts? * TTK (per Scout): 0.35-0.75 seconds * Engagement Duration: 2-3 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: Yes * Difficulty: Cakewalk * Odds of Success: Very High i would actually say if all the heavys backs are toward the scout and the scout is.. A MINJA! with proto knives and sidearm damage mods (incase he has to shank a proto sentinel) i would say TTK each heavy would be the time it takes to charge the knives 3 times. basically.. situational.. minjas have to be stealthy opportunistic and strike form behind to servive, where as shotgun crutch users would just 2-3 shot each heavy while dancing around them Scenario A assumes charged nova knife OHKs for each Sentinel. I estimate it'd take 5 seconds if the three sentinels were side-by-side and AFK. In practice, significantly more time is required, as they tend to move around ... and try to kill you. The Shotgun would actually take more time than the Nova Knives. MN/CA Heavies generally require 3 blasts, and AM/GA require 5. The Scout has extremely low odds with either weapon. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 584	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:32:00 - [13] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: [quote=Apothecary Za'ki][quote=Adipem Nothi]Scenario A One 300HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. Odds of successfully shanking all three Heavies? * TTK (per Heavy): 3-4 seconds * Engagement Duration: 15-30 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: No * Difficulty: Extreme * Odds of Success: Very Low . the TTK would be like 2 seconds per heavy while engagment wouldnt be 15-30 i would guess 1-2 seconds(skill depending) per charge and then depending on commitment for OHK fitting allow 1-1.5 seconds to allow adjustment/movment while charging for next target [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 65	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:27:00 - [14] - Quote GET GOOD New Burst HMG kill knifer under a second. Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1000	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:40:00 - [15] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Eat Heavies. Heavies stand not a single chance against a scout with half a measure of skill. I've played both sides. I have a scout maxed in minmitar scout with maxed nova knives and this is my heavy specialist. having 1300 HP, I can be oneshot by a nova knife. No issue. Makes hacking a death sentence for any heavy hacking a point with a scout speed fit and nova knife damage mod fit, a death sentence. A SIDEARM that does 1300 damage, has aim assist and can kill a heavy in three hits without a charge? Come on now, that's rediculous. Nova knife scouts are now better anti heavies than other heavies. Taking a look at the stats, a proto minmi scout can fit 3 complex sidearm damage mods, which is some diminishing return number slightly above 18% damage increase, plus the BASE damage increase from the skill for the suit (which is 25%). You take the base damage for ishukone nova knives which is 200, and somehow end up with over 1000 damage in one hit after a charged hit? I can't turn up the sensitivity high enough to react to them quickly enough. Not to mention, that a scout can also fit a sub machine gun, which acts as a micro heavy machine gun with 1052 RPM, with more damage per shot than a heavy machine gun, and it's complex damage mods are much stronger than what a heavy has access to? I'm seeing something kinda broken here... Or is it just me and I should learn to HTFU to that which I cannot counter as a heavy? BTW, I have a seriously easy time killing anyone attempting to hack anything. Nova knife... If they turn to run away and dodge, just switch to SMG, hipfire GG. I completely agree OP. You'll have KN users saying "but we're so frail',yet omitting the fact they can strafe at full sprint speed and very easily dodge rounds fired. And yes,unkillable KN scouts are a thing now. Stun lock needs to be reintroduced for light frames. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 65	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:41:00 - [16] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Scenario A One 300HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. Odds of successfully shanking all three Heavies? * TTK (per Heavy): 3-4 seconds * Engagement Duration: 15-30 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: No * Difficulty: Extreme * Odds of Success: Very Low Scenario B Three 300HP NK Scouts in front of one 1300HP HMG Heavy. Odds of successfully mowing down all three Scouts? * TTK (per Scout): 0.35-0.75 seconds * Engagement Duration: 2-3 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: Yes * Difficulty: Cakewalk * Odds of Success: Very High Scenario A: I bet, most scout would toast those heavy with RE. * Odds of Success: Very High Scenario B: Trust me, Smart heavy will drop NK Scout down under a second with Burst HMG. * Odds of Success: 50-50 I run knife every night (even in PC), RE still be a better option to kill heavy. Face to face heavy, it is 50-50 chance. Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4369	Posted - 2014.08.21 12:13:00 - [17] - Quote RedPencil wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Scenario A One 300HP NK Scout behind three 1300HP HMG Heavies. Odds of successfully shanking all three Heavies? * TTK (per Heavy): 3-4 seconds * Engagement Duration: 15-30 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: No * Difficulty: Extreme * Odds of Success: Very Low Scenario B Three 300HP NK Scouts in front of one 1300HP HMG Heavy. Odds of successfully mowing down all three Scouts? * TTK (per Scout): 0.35-0.75 seconds * Engagement Duration: 2-3 seconds * Possible: Yes * Realistic: Yes * Difficulty: Cakewalk * Odds of Success: Very High 1. Scenario A: I bet, most scout would toast those heavy with RE. 2. Scenario B: Trust me, Smart heavy will drop NK Scout down under a second with Burst HMG. 3. I run knife every night (even in PC), RE still be a better option to kill heavy. Face to face heavy, it is 50-50 chance. 1. Yes, adding REs to the attack sequence would improve the Scout's odds in Scenario A. 2. When it connects, a Boundless HMG will drop 300HP in under 1/2 a second; SixKin Burst is even faster. 3. If the Heavy is decent, no Nova Knife Scout will have 50/50 odds face-to-face with him. Anyhow, I believe you've missed the point (i.e. mistaken my intent). OP suggested that NKs are overpowered because they "kill better" than HMGs. In response, I've attempted to demonstrate that NKs are situational, and behave quite differently from HMGs. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1109	Posted - 2014.08.21 13:07:00 - [18] - Quote Totally agree with you OP . This is what's wrong with this game . Scouts should not be assassins , that's what assaults are for . Scouts are for intel ( how many targets are in a area ) and hacking null points ,but somewhere along the line scouts became light assaults , hence assassins . What is a scout ??? I see nothing about being assassins in the meaning of the term while reading the dictionary . Every weapon that they carry has OKH potential .. shotguns , nova knives and remotes but theirs nothing wrong with that . Sentinels have damage resistance bonuses that just do nothing , scramblers still eat shields , shotguns and CR's still eat armor and remotes still OKH despite having resistance bonuses . Yes come to the defense of your role while you same people campaign to kill every single role besides scouts . The same people who are defending are the same people who complained about heavies and logi's .... logi's for fucks sake . No lets not have slayer logi's but have slayer scouts , that's alright and NO ONE sees anything wrong with that picture . Keep talking about what your giving up while just your movement alone , coupled with the fact that you go unseen while having OKH weapons ... makes scouts the new slayers . No role is safe with these people around but nothing happens to them and I can understand why . Keep it up CCP and in the end you will just have all scouts running around and no one else because at some point , people will get tired of this crap and how you catering to one group and alienating all others . Come at me scrubs because I'm tired of seeing this $hit and something needs to be done . This game will not be balanced in any way if this is allowed and right now CCP , you are allowing it . I guess you don't care anyway because you have legion and you would love to get those who are not going on that journey with you , keep it up CCP and trust me ... those are all that will remain . There are just too many choices on the way and this game is not the great shining beacon that many have lead you to believe . Look at how many left after FF and the fact that PS4 sales are on the rise along with choices as well , to play games that are not " trying to balance " their game but have the mechanics that are needed to compete . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4330	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:39:00 - [19] - Quote I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ. Like dumbfounded. They are awesome! Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2284	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:43:00 - [20] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ. Like dumbfounded. They are awesome! it's not the nova knives themselves. It's the ease of getting them into slaughter range.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17305	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:51:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: You'll have KN users saying "but we're so frail',yet omitting the fact they can strafe at full sprint speed and very easily dodge rounds fired. No, they can't strafe at full sprint speed. Even if you were comparing the strafe rate of an unburdened Minmatar scout to the sprint rate of a 4x complex plated Amarr heavy, you would still be wrong. Quote: And yes,unkillable KN scouts are a thing now. Stun lock needs to be reintroduced for light frames. 'Unkillable'? Shoot them. They will die very quickly, unless they're heavily tanked in which case they're going to be doing none of this running about knifing people. Or unless you're really bad at aiming. I suppose that's possible, if you're calling sub-300 HP glass cannons 'unkillable'. Even stun-lock won't help people like you unless you can actually hit them. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 37	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:54:00 - [22] - Quote So basically what I can sum up about this thread is that my favorite way of killing things should be nerfed... All i can ask is why? You reply because I can OHKO your sentinel when I am behind you. I simply reply back and say that you should pay more attention to your surrounding. You differ saying that i am cloaked there fore I cannot be seen. Well simply said if I can get behind you the rest of your squad is not doing their job in watching your back as you are watching theirs. NK's are not the FOTM especially when Burst HMG's will rip through a heavy with 1-2 corefocus's on him/her NK's take a lot of skill, care full timing, planning, paying attention to your surroundings, and most importantly just outsmarting your opponent. Now if I can do all of these things and do them well why should I not be able to OHKO you? I Like Tanks, Nova Knives and MagSec SMG's.
Cass Caul 798	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:54:00 - [23] - Quote In-Game Description of the Scout suits wrote: The Scout dropsuit is a lightweight suit optimized for enhanced mobility, multi-spectrum stealth, and heightened awareness. Augmented joint servo motors give every movement extra speed and flexibility, while integrated friction and impact dampening materials reduce the overall sound signature. [insert racial themes here] When missions call for speed and stealth, situations in which heavily armored suits would be more of a burden than an advantage, a scout dropsuit is the best option. The enhanced mobility it provides makes up for its relatively low protection, and when combined with stealth technology modules, the scout suit is the obvious choice for infiltration, counter-espionage, and assassination. Damn, you're right. The definition of the verb "scout" doesn't mention assassination at all. Clearly the definition of "assault" must have the word assassination somewhere in there? Oh, wait. It doesn't either. In fact, the descriptions of the suits say the opposite. The suits' descriptions say that Scouts are the primary choice for assassination while the Assault is the best choice in direct confrontation. How strange is that?! How dare CCP do that!!! I demand that the description of the Scout suit is changed so that I am justified in my bullshit rhetoric saying that Scouts shouldn't be allowed to engage in combat effectively! I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
taxi bastard uptown456 Dark Taboo 213	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:56:00 - [24] - Quote Really, I run mostly mini commando and mini scout, all my scout fits run nk. Firstly on my mini commando nothing gives me a bigger hard on than seeing a scout shimmer it's easy WP a lot of the time , if it's this "OP" double speed modded mini scout with damage mods it going to be 200-270 Ehp at advanced level with crap e-war. Any scout vs scout battle there will only be one looser. Although I do run kn on my mini scout it's e-war fitted with a bit more tank. I use the nk maybe 2 or 3 times a match because in most situations it's safer and quicker to use a gun. For heavy suits it's often a case of RE, knife if solo or leave be if in a group. Trying to knife a heavy not hacking which has situational awareness is very risky with spray and pray extreme dps hmgs of any type . If I am on my 700 Ehp mini commando aka light assault tank heavy hitbox which I play mostly I know that getting that first shot off on any suit is important. I am easy to hit and unless your a scout I probably have less Ehp that you which is never a good thing if you get jumped. I play solo 95% of the time which gives me more reason to be vigilant. Realistically I'll get considerably more SG and NK scouts than what will get me, a scout at a reasonable range with a gun game scares me a lot more. Mostly I see heavy players complaining, which is cute and ironic because in my 2600 Isk dren suit I can melt proto scouts, logi's,some proto assaults and comando's in less time than it takes to charge the KN using a basic Hmg.
Cass Caul 798	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:59:00 - [25] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I keep forgetting that it's called a "Scout," because all I ever see is +50 WP Paraphrasing a bit there, but close enough I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Zindorak 1.U.P 655	Posted - 2014.08.21 16:10:00 - [26] - Quote mmmmmmmm alll the tears motorboats Solution take burst HMG hear or see scout burst done. You must suck if you get killed by NK scouts you need situational awareness Pokemon master
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 255	Posted - 2014.08.21 16:13:00 - [27] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Cool. There's an intelligent contributor to the issue! Great feedback man! You're exactly what I'd expect you to be. Don't bother giving constructive criticism, that's for immature people :D You're alright in my book. You seriously think your post is worth anything but a bullsht reply?. You are delusional sir. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
mollerz 4983	Posted - 2014.08.21 19:30:00 - [28] - Quote Just goes to show, to be a good heavy you have to be a good crybaby first. Dingle Dust Berry.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3477	Posted - 2014.08.21 20:02:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Totally agree with you OP . What is a scout ??? I see nothing about being assassins in the meaning of the term while reading the dictionary . I see nothing in the dictionary about being a Heavy other than being fat and slow. It said nothing about holding an HMG or any other high DPS weapon, nor anything about having lots of HP. So they must be doing it wrong too. I will give up my ability to assassinate if you give up your ability to carry a weapon and have lots of HP, because that is what the dictionary says right?? You can always tell a Millford Minja
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect 198	Posted - 2014.08.21 21:04:00 - [30] - Quote Alas, I may have gone to far today with knives. I slew entire nations and left heavies quaking in their boots as I assassinated them one by one. I now have undeniable proof that Nova Knives are the most OP weapon in Dust: 39/2 in Ambush

RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 69	Posted - 2014.08.22 01:12:00 - [31] - Quote @Adipem Nothi I didn't miss your point. I also think NK isn't OP, but it is a decent weapon after hotfix. More NK pop up and people start QQ on knife. Yes, knife stand still object is easy the same way as other weapon, but Knife running enemy still challenge. Scenario A shows that other weapon such as RE is a better choice. Also you are right on Scenario B. 50/50 odds is only to face-to-face low to decent heavy. NK scout have almost no chance to face-to-face decent to good skill heavy. Bottom line If a fool heavy still think he is invincible and don't pay attention to surrounding situation, He deserve to die. Even stupid heavy still be able to protect himself from NK by lean his back against wall. Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9111	Posted - 2014.08.22 03:29:00 - [32] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: [...] I don't care what Webster's Dictionary says about the meaning of the word "scout". I don't care what the real-world military says about how to properly be a scout. I don't care about what YOU say on what a scout can and can't do. You can make a recommendation, but in the end I have every right to do whatever the hell I want as a scout in a video game. Heavies have a right to be on their own without backup, but if they don't know how to cover their own asses without backup when I stab them to death, then I have every right to tell them "stick with a squad, noob". But if that solo heavy can stand its ground against me, than I will respect him/her and be on my merry way. More power to them if they can pull it off as a solo heavy just like how there's more power to me when I can take on a few assaults with a knife in my scout suit. You have a problem with that? Tough luck. Live with it. This is a video game after all and no one will give two ***** about what some dictionary says. Clearly the players in Eve Online don't care when some players have adapted a mining barge to become an effective pvp ship. Clearly, players in Call of Duty don't care if someone complains about them using a sniper rifle like a CQC or mid-range weapon and somehow effectively killing opponents with it like that. Clearly the players in Battlefield don't care if a jeep is being used as a battering ram. I will continue being a scout killing players as a scout with a knife and there is not a damn thing you can do to stop me... except if you're able to see me coming from behind. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 871	Posted - 2014.08.22 22:19:00 - [33] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: dear OP. your tears are delicious i take some masochistic pride in being knifed, shows the scout has balls to get up close, closer then a shotgun to kill you moral of the story.. keep your ass to the wall and your eyes open You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1585	Posted - 2014.08.22 22:23:00 - [34] - Quote So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky. Imagine that. Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 592	Posted - 2014.08.23 05:06:00 - [35] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ. Like dumbfounded. They are awesome! it's not the nova knives themselves. It's the ease of getting them into slaughter range. shotgun was worse.. 15meter for OHKs and doubletaps where as nova's are 2.5m tops if anything QQ about shotguns having full damage at 15 meters [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 592	Posted - 2014.08.23 05:06:00 - [36] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky. Imagine that. basically they will have problems against min-assault as they are like 7.5m/s sprint and 6.5m/s move [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9126	Posted - 2014.08.23 05:38:00 - [37] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky. Imagine that. basically they will have problems against min-assault as they are like 7.5m/s sprint and 6.5m/s move The infamous back pedaling. The bane of every knifer's existence. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder. 242	Posted - 2014.08.23 08:43:00 - [38] - Quote If I could look behind me instantly, ny situational awareness would be great. Heavies can't easily do their job and always be worrying about a knife in the back from an opponent who moves twice the speed of the heavy. Now as I said, I've played said scout. Killing anyone is super easy with knives, REs. Just get right I their face abd dance around them. Being a kn about isn't hard at all. Especially with REs in hand. All targets except other scout are easy prey. Kinda over powered at that point. EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 41	Posted - 2014.08.23 09:35:00 - [39] - Quote Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee you'll be cut by knives before you even see me. But in all seriousness for the sake of constructive criticism there is really no reason for there to be any kind of QQ towards knova knives since to even be used you have to get with in 2.5m and this isn't a weapon that anyone can use and go on a rampage with such as with the shotgun for example which is extremely easy to use. As for complaining about being killed so easily by KN while hacking just about any weapon can kill you just as easily when you are hacking something. "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 478	Posted - 2014.08.23 10:48:00 - [40] - Quote I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet. So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG. ***** BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ****. Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.

RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1010	Posted - 2014.08.23 11:51:00 - [41] - Quote You just got a easy time killing and dying while hacking because - you're not using a speedhacking suit - you have no back-up from your team If here are other situations where you die from a NKer...situational awareness.
Finn Colman Black Talon Company 36	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:28:00 - [42] - Quote First, I want to say that the forums always seem to forget about the little guys. Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Totally agree with you OP . This is what's wrong with this game . Scouts should not be assassins , that's what assaults are for . Scouts are for intel ( how many targets are in a area ) and hacking null points ,but somewhere along the line scouts became light assaults , hence assassins . What is a scout ??? I see nothing about being assassins in the meaning of the term while reading the dictionary . Every weapon that they carry has OKH potential .. shotguns , nova knives and remotes but theirs nothing wrong with that . Sentinels have damage resistance bonuses that just do nothing , scramblers still eat shields , shotguns and CR's still eat armor and remotes still OKH despite having resistance bonuses . Yes come to the defense of your role while you same people campaign to kill every single role besides scouts . The same people who are defending are the same people who complained about heavies and logi's .... logi's for fucks sake . No lets not have slayer logi's but have slayer scouts , that's alright and NO ONE sees anything wrong with that picture . Keep talking about what your giving up while just your movement alone , coupled with the fact that you go unseen while having OKH weapons ... makes scouts the new slayers . No role is safe with these people around but nothing happens to them and I can understand why . Keep it up CCP and in the end you will just have all scouts running around and no one else because at some point , people will get tired of this crap and how you catering to one group and alienating all others . Come at me scrubs because I'm tired of seeing this $hit and something needs to be done . This game will not be balanced in any way if this is allowed and right now CCP , you are allowing it . I guess you don't care anyway because you have legion and you would love to get rid of those who are not going on that journey with you , keep it up CCP and trust me ... those are all that will remain . There are just too many choices on the way and this game is not the great shining beacon that many have lead you to believe . Look at how many left after FF and the fact that PS4 sales are on the rise along with choices as well , to play games that are not " trying to balance " their game but have the mechanics that are needed to compete . Second, I defended the logis by putting my own Med-Scout at stake, stating that if they nerfed the Logis' speed, and took the Amarr Logis' sidearms away, more people would likely be switching to the Med-Scout setup. I opposed brick-tanked scouts when the issue came up, and supported a buff to Assaults. I oppose the glitch with cloaks not decloaking properly unless you use the weapon wheel to switch out of them, or manually decloak (in other words if you tap the weapon switch button to switch to your weapon, you will not decloak properly). Also, when was the last time you saw/heard of an assassin all on his own, assault an unarmored (not even lightly armored) car with a target surrounded by a guard, firing an unsuppressed assault rifle at the target, surviving, and succeeding to kill the target? It's almost always some guy with a sniper rifle or some other weapon that provides them with a form of indirect protection (Lack of detectability, extra time to escape pursuit), usually with little to no armor, and usually with at least a moderate lack of sanity.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 351	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:20:00 - [43] - Quote I can't believe people complain about a weapon that requires like 4 million SP, a very specific dropsuit choice and sacrificing everything but alpha damage in order to be considered marginally effective compared to similar weapons Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
VikingKong iBUN 2.U.P 130	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:09:00 - [44] - Quote Well something has to be allowed to kill heavies...
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder. 242	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:09:00 - [45] - Quote Lucifalic wrote: I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet. So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG. ***** BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ****. I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder. 242	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:13:00 - [46] - Quote Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9135	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:06:00 - [47] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Lucifalic wrote: I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet. So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG. ***** BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ****. I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further Regardless, it doesn't nullify the obvious fact that Nova Knifing in a Minmatar Scout suit with pure damage renders the setup extremely vulnerable. There are EWAR scouts out there that can catch it and the Minmatar Scout has no counter to those EWAR scouts other than to sprint away as fast as possible. There is also the fact that you need to be within close proximity (2.5 meters) in order for the knives to effective at all. There is also the tunnel vision to deal with should you miss the target the first time and I sometimes do miss my target but those targets are usually assaults, logis, or other scouts that are as maneuverable as a heavy. There is also the fact that Minmatar Scouts has the lowest CPU/PG availability compared to the rest of the scout lineup. Finally, the aim adhesion that was supposedly added in Hotfix Charlie isn't noticeable to me. And unless you happen to be a damn good solo heavy with an eagle eye (and I have encountered solo heavies that outsmarted me), you need to stick with a squad every time you're a heavy. An Amarr or Caldari scout will always give me hell when it comes to EWAR even with the cloak that I use. Some even counter me with a mass driver which is something I dread a lot almost as much as an EWAR scout. So you see, it all balances out. The Minmatar Scout is exactly where it's suppose to be. All of the advantages it has are easily balanced with the disadvantages it also has. PS: In some instances you do need complex sidearm damage mods to kill a heavy if that heavy happens to be a protobear. And those guys are tough as nails to stab. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9137	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:14:00 - [48] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: If I could look behind me instantly, ny situational awareness would be great. Heavies can't easily do their job and always be worrying about a knife in the back from an opponent who moves twice the speed of the heavy. Now as I said, I've played said scout. Killing anyone is super easy with knives, REs. Just get right I their face abd dance around them. Being a kn about isn't hard at all. Especially with REs in hand. All targets except other scout are easy prey. Kinda over powered at that point. Stick with a team then if you're not able to survive as a solo heavy. I have seen solo heavies that outsmarted me and those are the people I tend to give up on because somehow they know how to spot me. I couldn't tell if it's because they saw my shimmer in the shadows or if someone else in the distance that I can't see is looking after him. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2155	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:49:00 - [49] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ. Like dumbfounded. They are awesome! it's not the nova knives themselves. It's the ease of getting them into slaughter range. shotgun was worse.. 15meter for OHKs and doubletaps where as nova's are 2.5m tops if anything QQ about shotguns having full damage at 15 meters Shotguns dont do full damage past 5 meters... 15 meters i believe is their maximum effective "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2155	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:51:00 - [50] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying. However, we don't. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9139	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:08:00 - [51] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying. However, we don't. I'm sure the CoD Knifers will have claimed that the knives are pathetic. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2156	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:13:00 - [52] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying. However, we don't. I'm sure the CoD Knifers will have claimed that the knives are pathetic. As a CoD knifer....these knives are hard mode. If you can't kill scouts with your HMG then you deserve to die "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
mollerz 5065	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:39:00 - [53] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. That's bullshit. Everything in the world can see you. I run that build at match jump and switch out of it ASAP the first chance I get because you are detectable as hell. 137H4RGIC wrote: What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further And again- load of horse ****. You aren't one shotting heavies with ADV knives and no damage mods even with LV5 knives, Prof, and min scout skills. Sorry homey. You lie and then you lose credibility. That's how that works. Dingle Dust Berry.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9140	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:24:00 - [54] - Quote mollerz wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. That's bullshit. Everything in the world can see you. I run that build at match jump and switch out of it ASAP the first chance I get because you are detectable as hell. 137H4RGIC wrote: What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further And again- load of horse ****. You aren't one shotting heavies with ADV knives and no damage mods even with LV5 knives, Prof, and min scout skills. Sorry homey. You lie and then you lose credibility. That's how that works. @mollerz Even if he is using enhanced sidearm damage mods, he's still not able to one-shot heavies with it especially if they are with advanced knives. If he is able to, that means the heavies he's killing aren't skilled-up heavies at all but probably militia-fit heavies with soft tanks or a bunch of newbs that don't know how to properly fit a heavy suit. @137H4RGIC We can mathematically prove to you that no one is capable of one-shotting heavies with advanced knives even on a maxed out Minmatar Scout suit with max skills. Just ask anyone here to do the formula. The formula is pretty well known. This is assuming that the heavies you target are not of the lemming variety. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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