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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:12:00 -
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@Adipem Nothi I didn't miss your point. I also think NK isn't OP, but it is a decent weapon after hotfix. More NK pop up and people start QQ on knife. Yes, knife stand still object is easy the same way as other weapon, but Knife running enemy still challenge.
Scenario A shows that other weapon such as RE is a better choice. Also you are right on Scenario B. 50/50 odds is only to face-to-face low to decent heavy. NK scout have almost no chance to face-to-face decent to good skill heavy.
Bottom line If a fool heavy still think he is invincible and don't pay attention to surrounding situation, He deserve to die. Even stupid heavy still be able to protect himself from NK by lean his back against wall.
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9111
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:29:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
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I don't care what Webster's Dictionary says about the meaning of the word "scout". I don't care what the real-world military says about how to properly be a scout. I don't care about what YOU say on what a scout can and can't do. You can make a recommendation, but in the end I have every right to do whatever the hell I want as a scout in a video game. Heavies have a right to be on their own without backup, but if they don't know how to cover their own asses without backup when I stab them to death, then I have every right to tell them "stick with a squad, noob". But if that solo heavy can stand its ground against me, than I will respect him/her and be on my merry way. More power to them if they can pull it off as a solo heavy just like how there's more power to me when I can take on a few assaults with a knife in my scout suit.
You have a problem with that? Tough luck. Live with it. This is a video game after all and no one will give two ***** about what some dictionary says. Clearly the players in Eve Online don't care when some players have adapted a mining barge to become an effective pvp ship. Clearly, players in Call of Duty don't care if someone complains about them using a sniper rifle like a CQC or mid-range weapon and somehow effectively killing opponents with it like that. Clearly the players in Battlefield don't care if a jeep is being used as a battering ram.
I will continue being a scout killing players as a scout with a knife and there is not a damn thing you can do to stop me... except if you're able to see me coming from behind.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
871
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:19:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:dear OP. your tears are delicious i take some masochistic pride in being knifed, shows the scout has balls to get up close, closer then a shotgun to kill you
moral of the story.. keep your ass to the wall and your eyes open
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
1585
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:23:00 -
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So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky.
Imagine that.
Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
592
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:06:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ.
Like dumbfounded.
They are awesome! it's not the nova knives themselves. It's the ease of getting them into slaughter range. shotgun was worse.. 15meter for OHKs and doubletaps where as nova's are 2.5m tops if anything QQ about shotguns having full damage at 15 meters
[[LogiBro in Training]]
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
592
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:06:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky.
Imagine that. basically they will have problems against min-assault as they are like 7.5m/s sprint and 6.5m/s move
[[LogiBro in Training]]
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9126
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:38:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:So the suit best at striking fast and hard, is good against a suit that is slow and bricky.
Imagine that. basically they will have problems against min-assault as they are like 7.5m/s sprint and 6.5m/s move
The infamous back pedaling. The bane of every knifer's existence.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder.
242
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Posted - 2014.08.23 08:43:00 -
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If I could look behind me instantly, ny situational awareness would be great. Heavies can't easily do their job and always be worrying about a knife in the back from an opponent who moves twice the speed of the heavy. Now as I said, I've played said scout. Killing anyone is super easy with knives, REs. Just get right I their face abd dance around them. Being a kn about isn't hard at all. Especially with REs in hand. All targets except other scout are easy prey. Kinda over powered at that point.
EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
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Gabriel Ceja
Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy
41
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Posted - 2014.08.23 09:35:00 -
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Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee you'll be cut by knives before you even see me.
But in all seriousness for the sake of constructive criticism there is really no reason for there to be any kind of QQ towards knova knives since to even be used you have to get with in 2.5m and this isn't a weapon that anyone can use and go on a rampage with such as with the shotgun for example which is extremely easy to use.
As for complaining about being killed so easily by KN while hacking just about any weapon can kill you just as easily when you are hacking something.
"Throw on the flux capacitor."
activates fuel injector
"WOOOOOO!!!"
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Lucifalic
Baked n Loaded
478
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Posted - 2014.08.23 10:48:00 -
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I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet.
So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG.
******* BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ******.
Here since Closed beta. Scout for life.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
1010
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Posted - 2014.08.23 11:51:00 -
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You just got a easy time killing and dying while hacking because
- you're not using a speedhacking suit - you have no back-up from your team
If here are other situations where you die from a NKer...situational awareness. |
Finn Colman
Black Talon Company
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Posted - 2014.08.23 14:28:00 -
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First, I want to say that the forums always seem to forget about the little guys.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:Totally agree with you OP .
This is what's wrong with this game .
Scouts should not be assassins , that's what assaults are for .
Scouts are for intel ( how many targets are in a area ) and hacking null points ,but somewhere along the line scouts became light assaults , hence assassins .
What is a scout ??? I see nothing about being assassins in the meaning of the term while reading the dictionary .
Every weapon that they carry has OKH potential .. shotguns , nova knives and remotes but theirs nothing wrong with that .
Sentinels have damage resistance bonuses that just do nothing , scramblers still eat shields , shotguns and CR's still eat armor and remotes still OKH despite having resistance bonuses .
Yes come to the defense of your role while you same people campaign to kill every single role besides scouts .
The same people who are defending are the same people who complained about heavies and logi's .... logi's for fucks sake .
No lets not have slayer logi's but have slayer scouts , that's alright and NO ONE sees anything wrong with that picture .
Keep talking about what your giving up while just your movement alone , coupled with the fact that you go unseen while having OKH weapons ... makes scouts the new slayers .
No role is safe with these people around but nothing happens to them and I can understand why .
Keep it up CCP and in the end you will just have all scouts running around and no one else because at some point , people will get tired of this crap and how you catering to one group and alienating all others .
Come at me scrubs because I'm tired of seeing this $hit and something needs to be done .
This game will not be balanced in any way if this is allowed and right now CCP , you are allowing it .
I guess you don't care anyway because you have legion and you would love to get rid of those who are not going on that journey with you , keep it up CCP and trust me ... those are all that will remain .
There are just too many choices on the way and this game is not the great shining beacon that many have lead you to believe .
Look at how many left after FF and the fact that PS4 sales are on the rise along with choices as well , to play games that are not " trying to balance " their game but have the mechanics that are needed to compete .
Second, I defended the logis by putting my own Med-Scout at stake, stating that if they nerfed the Logis' speed, and took the Amarr Logis' sidearms away, more people would likely be switching to the Med-Scout setup. I opposed brick-tanked scouts when the issue came up, and supported a buff to Assaults. I oppose the glitch with cloaks not decloaking properly unless you use the weapon wheel to switch out of them, or manually decloak (in other words if you tap the weapon switch button to switch to your weapon, you will not decloak properly).
Also, when was the last time you saw/heard of an assassin all on his own, assault an unarmored (not even lightly armored) car with a target surrounded by a guard, firing an unsuppressed assault rifle at the target, surviving, and succeeding to kill the target? It's almost always some guy with a sniper rifle or some other weapon that provides them with a form of indirect protection (Lack of detectability, extra time to escape pursuit), usually with little to no armor, and usually with at least a moderate lack of sanity. |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
351
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:20:00 -
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I can't believe people complain about a weapon that requires like 4 million SP, a very specific dropsuit choice and sacrificing everything but alpha damage in order to be considered marginally effective compared to similar weapons
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
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VikingKong iBUN
2.U.P
130
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:09:00 -
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Well something has to be allowed to kill heavies... |
137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder.
242
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:09:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet.
So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG.
******* BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ******.
I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further
EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
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137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder.
242
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:13:00 -
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Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill
EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9135
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:06:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Lucifalic wrote:I call BS on the OP for saying he's a proto min scout with fully speced knives... He doesnt even understand how 200 dmg knives becomes enough dmg to kill the heavy. Also saying that scouts shouldnt kill.... WTF buddy are you smoking. Your using a highly specialized suit that gets A BONUS to knife damage. Think about that... really think about it. Knives are an assassination weapon and min scout gets a bonus to it. You follow yet.
So i went to protofits too to even further call your BS. MAXed skills. 3 complex dmg mods, 2 kin kats, profile damp, advanced cloak, advanced RE (cause there is no way basic will kill your sentry), and ish NK. NO NADE, NO SMG.... Know why? cause its already over its PG.
******* BS. You are not skilled into mini scout. Your just a whining heavy who lost a proto suit hacking a point by yourself like a ******.
I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works. What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further
Regardless, it doesn't nullify the obvious fact that Nova Knifing in a Minmatar Scout suit with pure damage renders the setup extremely vulnerable. There are EWAR scouts out there that can catch it and the Minmatar Scout has no counter to those EWAR scouts other than to sprint away as fast as possible. There is also the fact that you need to be within close proximity (2.5 meters) in order for the knives to effective at all. There is also the tunnel vision to deal with should you miss the target the first time and I sometimes do miss my target but those targets are usually assaults, logis, or other scouts that are as maneuverable as a heavy. There is also the fact that Minmatar Scouts has the lowest CPU/PG availability compared to the rest of the scout lineup. Finally, the aim adhesion that was supposedly added in Hotfix Charlie isn't noticeable to me.
And unless you happen to be a damn good solo heavy with an eagle eye (and I have encountered solo heavies that outsmarted me), you need to stick with a squad every time you're a heavy. An Amarr or Caldari scout will always give me hell when it comes to EWAR even with the cloak that I use. Some even counter me with a mass driver which is something I dread a lot almost as much as an EWAR scout.
So you see, it all balances out. The Minmatar Scout is exactly where it's suppose to be. All of the advantages it has are easily balanced with the disadvantages it also has.
PS: In some instances you do need complex sidearm damage mods to kill a heavy if that heavy happens to be a protobear. And those guys are tough as nails to stab.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9137
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:14:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:If I could look behind me instantly, ny situational awareness would be great. Heavies can't easily do their job and always be worrying about a knife in the back from an opponent who moves twice the speed of the heavy. Now as I said, I've played said scout. Killing anyone is super easy with knives, REs. Just get right I their face abd dance around them. Being a kn about isn't hard at all. Especially with REs in hand. All targets except other scout are easy prey. Kinda over powered at that point.
Stick with a team then if you're not able to survive as a solo heavy. I have seen solo heavies that outsmarted me and those are the people I tend to give up on because somehow they know how to spot me. I couldn't tell if it's because they saw my shimmer in the shadows or if someone else in the distance that I can't see is looking after him.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2155
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:49:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I'm truly amazed at the overall lack of Nova Knife QQ.
Like dumbfounded.
They are awesome! it's not the nova knives themselves. It's the ease of getting them into slaughter range. shotgun was worse.. 15meter for OHKs and doubletaps where as nova's are 2.5m tops if anything QQ about shotguns having full damage at 15 meters Shotguns dont do full damage past 5 meters... 15 meters i believe is their maximum effective
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2155
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:51:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying.
However, we don't.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9139
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:08:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:137H4RGIC wrote:Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying. However, we don't.
I'm sure the CoD Knifers will have claimed that the knives are pathetic.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2156
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:137H4RGIC wrote:Will all the cod knifers please troll this thread. Your opinion matters =). I don't have ease of just killing heavies, but assaults commandos and logis. As I said, did are more difficult for other scouts to kill If we had CoD knives, then you might have the right to this entitled self-promoting crying. However, we don't. I'm sure the CoD Knifers will have claimed that the knives are pathetic. As a CoD knifer....these knives are hard mode.
If you can't kill scouts with your HMG then you deserve to die
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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mollerz
5065
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Posted - 2014.08.23 21:39:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote: I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works.
That's bullshit. Everything in the world can see you. I run that build at match jump and switch out of it ASAP the first chance I get because you are detectable as hell.
137H4RGIC wrote: What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further
And again- load of horse ****. You aren't one shotting heavies with ADV knives and no damage mods even with LV5 knives, Prof, and min scout skills.
Sorry homey. You lie and then you lose credibility. That's how that works.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
9140
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Posted - 2014.08.23 23:24:00 -
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mollerz wrote:137H4RGIC wrote: I've got the enhanced side arm damage mods, bottom is loaded out with code breakers, complex. Trust me, it works.
That's bullshit. Everything in the world can see you. I run that build at match jump and switch out of it ASAP the first chance I get because you are detectable as hell. 137H4RGIC wrote: What's worse us that you don't need complex sidearm damage mods to one shot a heavy. But I can only imagine what they can do. And yes I do have a mini scout skilled at five. Using advanced kns. And I still one shot heavies. This doesn't lessen my claim but only validates it further
And again- load of horse ****. You aren't one shotting heavies with ADV knives and no damage mods even with LV5 knives, Prof, and min scout skills. Sorry homey. You lie and then you lose credibility. That's how that works.
@mollerz
Even if he is using enhanced sidearm damage mods, he's still not able to one-shot heavies with it especially if they are with advanced knives. If he is able to, that means the heavies he's killing aren't skilled-up heavies at all but probably militia-fit heavies with soft tanks or a bunch of newbs that don't know how to properly fit a heavy suit.
@137H4RGIC
We can mathematically prove to you that no one is capable of one-shotting heavies with advanced knives even on a maxed out Minmatar Scout suit with max skills. Just ask anyone here to do the formula. The formula is pretty well known. This is assuming that the heavies you target are not of the lemming variety.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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