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Dj grammer wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

SP cap has failed to serve useful purpose.

New player retention might be served better with its annihilation.

Because once you devote 15 mil SP into cores and your specialty vet players cease being more of a threat than you are.

The main difference between a 15mil new player and a 60 mil vet is the vet has more individual fits mastered.

This I agree with. The SP cap was suppose to be temporary but ended up being a permanent option since CCP did not bother to ask players after the Uprising 1.5 update. People couldn't make up their minds at the time. coming from a person sitting on 42 million SP we need something to keep the NPE retention rate high. It would need to start with the SP cap being fixed. Also keep in mind not everyone can play everyday out the week so they literally are screwed over when a new SP week starts, they will miss out on the SP they did not claim last week and have no way of claiming it.

The key difference between vets and new players Like breakin stuff said is the SP spent in dropsuit upgrades as well as the vets having masted multiple individual fits. That is it. Otherwise give a new player some time to reach at least 5 million in skill points to max out armor and shields with maximizing space capacity next.

So should we implement a SP rollover system to help people who missed a week catch back up? Plausible. Remove the 1000 Sp cap and replace it with how many war points you've earned equals the amount of Sp you gain 1wp=1sp? Very Plausible, this would keep players in the game as well as help out new players who want to catch up fast.

I'm moving more towards removing the 1000 sp limiter and replace it with 1wp=1sp after you exhausted the SP cap. Removing the SP cap, increasing the SP cap, or removing the 1000sp limit after capping would indeed do the following:

Atiim wrote:

Keep in mind that few people purchase Active Boosters due to how little the SP cap is, allowing them to cap out well before the week is over. If you raise the SP cap, it'll take more time and effort to cap out, which results in:

Increased play times
Increased incentive to spend AUR on Active Boosters
Improves NPE by allowing newer players to catch up faster

Basically, it's a way to increase revenue and improve gameplay mechanics. Anyone on your marketing staff who doesn't see this should be slapped with a trout.

The only backlash is people playing this game non stop if the SP Cap was completely removed thus increasing the gap between new and vet players alike. What are your thoughts?

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lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1014	Posted - 2014.08.22 15:39:00 - [121] - Quote Great suggestions were already made for improvements over the existing implementation. On top of that, remove the worthless SP sink that is the 'basic' suits that offers no benefit but complete despair to your newer players. That or make them viable in any way. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:32:00 - [122] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Yaaarg! Please remove the 1000 SP per match cap after the Bonus SP is exhausted. I worked hard for those points; give the devil his due. dont remove it but 1k points for spending yoru time in the map.. and if you get over 1k wp you get over the cap too [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:34:00 - [123] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Ney! No extra SP for the no lifers! Go outside or read a book when you hit the cap dammit! The only folks that should be without a cap are the ones below 10 million SP. its more to help the newbros.. as whats a 40m sp'er gonna do with extra sp? waste it on something they dont really need.. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:36:00 - [124] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: I find it difficult to find the time to cap out each week anyway vov. i cap out 3 charaters and have a few days to waste :x [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:48:00 - [125] - Quote james selim brownstein wrote: You know what, 'F the world' for the Cap to be taken away entirely for the rest of DUST'S days i agree.. with alot of bittervets and people already at a solid 20m+ sp this would just help newbros catch up and insentivise more players to stay on 1 toon instead of rolling countless alts due to bordom [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:49:00 - [126] - Quote icdedppul wrote: keep the cap, just start new people with 10 mill. even if they are complete idiots and screw the character it should only take them about 2 weeks to figure it out and they can restart their toon making you grind to be somewhat useful in your role is idiotic that wouldnt be fair as i have worked hard to get nearly 10m on my main toon :x [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 590	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:51:00 - [127] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: SP cap has failed to serve useful purpose. New player retention might be served better with its annihilation. Because once you devote 15 mil SP into cores and your specialty vet players cease being more of a threat than you are. The main difference between a 15mil new player and a 60 mil vet is the vet has more individual fits mastered. This I agree with. The SP cap was suppose to be temporary but ended up being a permanent option since CCP did not bother to ask players after the Uprising 1.5 update. People couldn't make up their minds at the time. coming from a person sitting on 42 million SP we need something to keep the NPE retention rate high. It would need to start with the SP cap being fixed. Also keep in mind not everyone can play everyday out the week so they literally are screwed over when a new SP week starts, they will miss out on the SP they did not claim last week and have no way of claiming it. The key difference between vets and new players Like breakin stuff said is the SP spent in dropsuit upgrades as well as the vets having masted multiple individual fits. That is it. Otherwise give a new player some time to reach at least 5 million in skill points to max out armor and shields with maximizing space capacity next. So should we implement a SP rollover system to help people who missed a week catch back up? Plausible. Remove the 1000 Sp cap and replace it with how many war points you've earned equals the amount of Sp you gain 1wp=1sp? Very Plausible, this would keep players in the game as well as help out new players who want to catch up fast. I'm moving more towards removing the 1000 sp limiter and replace it with 1wp=1sp after you exhausted the SP cap. Removing the SP cap, increasing the SP cap, or removing the 1000sp limit after capping would indeed do the following: Atiim wrote: Keep in mind that few people purchase Active Boosters due to how little the SP cap is, allowing them to cap out well before the week is over. If you raise the SP cap, it'll take more time and effort to cap out, which results in: Increased play times Increased incentive to spend AUR on Active Boosters Improves NPE by allowing newer players to catch up faster Basically, it's a way to increase revenue and improve gameplay mechanics. Anyone on your marketing staff who doesn't see this should be slapped with a trout. The only backlash is people playing this game non stop if the SP Cap was completely removed thus increasing the gap between new and vet players alike. What are your thoughts? that 1wp=1sp seems kind of painful as it would mean a good deal of people getting less then 1000 SP a match and people would stop playing soon as their weekly cap was hit, full stop.. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 225	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:55:00 - [128] - Quote Yaarrg for christ sake it's such a henderance! "Anybody order chaos?"
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 261	Posted - 2014.08.22 18:03:00 - [129] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: that 1wp=1sp seems kind of painful as it would mean a good deal of people getting less then 1000 SP a match and people would stop playing soon as their weekly cap was hit, full stop.. That's what it is now once you hit cap 1WP=1SP up to a max of 1k, no? Raising the post-cap per map cap from 1K to how many ever WPs you get would definitely be progress in extending the cap, without "forcing" people to play more to cap out.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 591	Posted - 2014.08.22 18:51:00 - [130] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: that 1wp=1sp seems kind of painful as it would mean a good deal of people getting less then 1000 SP a match and people would stop playing soon as their weekly cap was hit, full stop.. That's what it is now once you hit cap 1WP=1SP up to a max of 1k, no? Raising the post-cap per map cap from 1K to how many ever WPs you get would definitely be progress in extending the cap, without "forcing" people to play more to cap out. well its touch n go, waht i ment was.. keep a 1k minimum per match but if you get more then 1000WP you gain the extra sp you currently wouldnt get.. ie.. 2500 WP would give 2500 SP or if you get like 200+ WP (to filter out bots) you get bumped up to 1k if your below the1k mark [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 591	Posted - 2014.08.22 18:56:00 - [131] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Great suggestions were already made for improvements over the existing implementation. On top of that, remove the worthless SP sink that is the 'basic' suits that offers no benefit but complete despair to your newer players. That or make them viable in any way. basic suits come in handy actually though i would like to see a "bonus" added to basic suits maybe +1% max shield+armor per level for that races suit type ie. Caldari medium suit 3 would give +3% shield and armor hp to the basic suits and the assault/logi or perhaps.. have it based on the premis of the racial tanking.. like +3% to 5% max shield for all caldari medium suits per level (basic, logi, assault) minmatar would get shield bonus too gallente and amarr woudl get armor.. now it would give shiedl tankers a little better standing vs armor so they wouldnt be as sucky vs armor.. and armor tankers with the extra armor hp may drop 1 or 2 plates in favour of kinkats and cardiac for more speed to compensate for the higher/slower armor tanks [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 788	Posted - 2014.08.22 21:58:00 - [132] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Booby Tuesdays wrote: Ney! No extra SP for the no lifers! Go outside or read a book when you hit the cap dammit! The only folks that should be without a cap are the ones below 10 million SP. its more to help the newbros.. as whats a 40m sp'er gonna do with extra sp? waste it on something they dont really need.. That's exactly what I said. Anyone with less than 10 Million SP gets no cap. No life to your hearts content. I would have loved to have no cap back in Open Beta. If you can't build a moderately competitive fit by 10 Mil, then you're doing it wrong. Over 10 Mil? Go outside. Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
james selim brownstein COO-NANNIES 6	Posted - 2014.08.22 23:20:00 - [133] - Quote I love how people try and mix IRL with the internet. SORRY TO TELL YOU, BUT ITS NOT THE SAME THING
james selim brownstein COO-NANNIES 6	Posted - 2014.08.22 23:33:00 - [134] - Quote And as heaps of people will tell you, Dust is a dying game, The DEVS should make it as fun as they can before the game is dead.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 193	Posted - 2014.08.23 03:17:00 - [135] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Yarrrgh! RYN0CER0S wrote: Yaaarg! Please remove the 1000 SP per match cap after the Bonus SP is exhausted. I worked hard for those points; give the devil his due. I bet a dropsuit of gold against your soul, 'cause I think I'm better than you. well my name is ikillu and i know its a sin but i'll take that bet....(somebody continue if you get it) and yarrrg tired of waiting a whole month just to upgrade one skill "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
aaaasdff ertgfdd 234	Posted - 2014.08.23 13:33:00 - [136] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Yarrrgh! RYN0CER0S wrote: Yaaarg! Please remove the 1000 SP per match cap after the Bonus SP is exhausted. I worked hard for those points; give the devil his due. I bet a dropsuit of gold against your soul, 'cause I think I'm better than you. well my name is ikillu and i know its a sin but i'll take that bet....(somebody continue if you get it) and yarrrg tired of waiting a whole month just to upgrade one skill Your gonna regret cause im the best thats ever been. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
aaaasdff ertgfdd 234	Posted - 2014.08.23 13:36:00 - [137] - Quote james selim brownstein wrote: And as heaps of people will tell you, Dust is a dying game, The DEVS should make it as fun as they can before the game is dead. Heaps of people been saying that since release. Stats say diffrent. People who say they are done keep coming back. Just this week Dia Faron has returned, Djinn Kujo who cried his way out of the game publicly on the forums is back, seen HeadyMurphy yesterday, lots of the im going to Biomass crowd playing again...... ya INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
james selim brownstein COO-NANNIES 7	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:14:00 - [138] - Quote Your point being?
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 337	Posted - 2014.08.23 14:32:00 - [139] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. yarrrrrg! or something similar... Either raising the cap, or just not restricting it to 1000 wp after the bonus is gone...
Black Eagle495 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:05:00 - [140] - Quote yarrrg!

Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 363	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:11:00 - [141] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. yarrrrrg If that raised SP pool would go only to FW matches it would done much more goodness - when pub players would end they weekly cycle they could populate FW to get some extra SP, just saying.. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1235	Posted - 2014.08.25 11:09:00 - [142] - Quote If CCP would buff the weekly cap, in the very following week after, we/you all would be asking for more. It's a basic saddening trait of humanity, to be always greedy. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 259	Posted - 2014.08.25 12:45:00 - [143] - Quote I'm in favor of either raising the cap or just multiplying SP gain by some factor higher than 1.0
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 685	Posted - 2014.08.25 13:31:00 - [144] - Quote For new players just give them 2x passive and active sp gain for 14 or 30days. newberries = happy as for the rest of us i think it needs raising even if its just to 300,000 it'd give us more reason to play. i know far too many players who just cap out in day or two and go play something else for the rest of the week. if ccp wants to keep player numbers up a bit at least bribe them slightly by giving them more sp to gain lol Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 505	Posted - 2014.08.25 17:16:00 - [145] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. YAARRR! Disclaimer: it says Limewire. I mentally changed it to "LOL WEEKLY CAP" in my mind. I jedi-mind-trick you to do the same. Disclaimer 2: 10 hour ver. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
BrotherofHavok PIanet Express Top Men. 80	Posted - 2014.08.25 17:29:00 - [146] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. YARRRRRG-not really. The weekly cap is there for a reason. It stops players with like 50 mil SP from being 200 or 300 mil SP. Now I agree that it sucks for new players, including players that only play a few times out of the week because of a real life or interest in other games, but I don't think we should just be UPPING the SP cap per week. The idea of Roll-over is intriguing though. For some players who don't play very often, if they go on vacation and play dust for 3 days straight they could get a mil or 2 with the rollover (if you don't max one week the remainder is added to the next week and so on and so forth). Plus! To increase CCP's interest in this idea... If players saved up rollovers they would be more likely to buy the active boosters! More cash in your pocket? Eh? CCP!? Sincerely, Your Multi-purpose Everything User
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 687	Posted - 2014.08.25 22:51:00 - [147] - Quote BrotherofHavok wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. YARRRRRG-not really. The weekly cap is there for a reason. It stops players with like 50 mil SP from being 200 or 300 mil SP. Now I agree that it sucks for new players, including players that only play a few times out of the week because of a real life or interest in other games, but I don't think we should just be UPPING the SP cap per week. The idea of Roll-over is intriguing though. For some players who don't play very often, if they go on vacation and play dust for 3 days straight they could get a mil or 2 with the rollover (if you don't max one week the remainder is added to the next week and so on and so forth). Plus! To increase CCP's interest in this idea... If players saved up rollovers they would be more likely to buy the active boosters! More cash in your pocket? Eh? CCP!? i don't think folk are really asking fo rit to be removed just increased a bit to quicken up some skill gain. roll over would certainly help out but in turn it allows for an even more dramatic drop in player count. as i said in an ealrier post. most players i know now come online, cap out in a couple of days and go play something else, probably just out of compulsion to want to cap out. increasing the cap even by 50% would encourage players to spend a little time in game as they cap out and may make the game more fun isntead of seeign the same two teams rotating round the different game modes. over the past few evenings i've seen the same squads and players in ambush in almost every match i played just mixed up between red or bluedots each game Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:33:00 - [148] - Quote Yaaaarrrrggggg no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:37:00 - [149] - Quote On a more serious note my mistress wanted me to express her thoughts beyond a mere yarrrgggg So some words from Mortedeamor "ALL keeping such a limited cap system does in dust is increase the time it takes for newer players to stand a chance vs vets such as myself. And leaves a sp gap that cripples moral and had new players leaving the game in existence. I say let everyone grind sp to their hearts content. And bring me a better fight" no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Skullmiser Vulcansu 144	Posted - 2014.08.26 00:31:00 - [150] - Quote I wanted the cap to be increased when I started playing, because I'd capped out after one day of play, and I needed more points desperately. Now I just play less when I cap out, and I don't want the cap to be increased because I am bitter and don't want anyone to be able to gain skill points, and I don't want to feel obligated to play more to reach the cap. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.



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