DUST Search - BONUS SP

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Once upon a time, CCP looked at the SP system.

They said 'Hey, people are earning SP too fast, let's slow it down!'

Thus was the daily cap born.
Nobody liked it. It was painfully restrictive and poorly done.

So CCP looked at it again. Unwilling to get rid of it, they called for a vote. A daily cap, a weekly cap? Should there be rollover? How restrictive should it be?

Weekly with rollover, people cried out. Nobody wanted the draconian restrictions. They wanted a softer cap.
So CCP made the cap weekly, and said rollover would come Soon(TM).

It was still a paltry cap, but it was better than previously and people carried on hoping rollover would come soon. The cap became a little nicer as well - instead of cutting you back to 50 SP a match, it let you earn an entire thousand! But the rollover was slow in coming.

Months passed, and Uprising came. SP sinks increased literally fivefold. The pointless basic frame skillwall was introduced. Engineering and electronics had their skill multipliers skyrocketed. It used to cost 600k for a newbie to max them and start being able to fit properly. Suit skill multipliers shot through the roof so far they entered orbit, although this was later reverted.

But still we had that 180k weekly cap. Rollover had failed to materialise. There was silence on the subject for a few months until a dev eventually asked wtf we were talking about and said there were no plans for it.

And here we are now, years on, with that very same cap that was once called a temporary measure.

People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change

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Ace Boone Pure Evil. 239	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:08:00 - [61] - Quote Yarr /sign Only loyal to the republic.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 4088	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:26:00 - [62] - Quote Yarrrg (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2278	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:27:00 - [63] - Quote Yarrrrg. Up the SP/battle cap please. Its agonizing pacing.
Al the destroyer Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 189	Posted - 2014.08.21 03:56:00 - [64] - Quote Yes and remove it for under 20 mill
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 352	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:12:00 - [65] - Quote I would like to see it removed for players below a certain amount(10 million seems good) and add SP rollover. I do not want to see the cap removed(possibly extended but not removed).
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5047	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:23:00 - [66] - Quote No i got a sh*t to do during the week and to bitter to allow those who don't to gain more SP than me. Earn 500Mil EVE 21 Day Trial Chat Channel: Vik PC
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1195	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:32:00 - [67] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. Rollover SP. This was never implemented. Alldin Kan has joined the battle!
Ronan Elsword Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 287	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:53:00 - [68] - Quote I'd rather rollover than increasing the weekly cap. But Yarrrg I guess.
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.08.21 04:54:00 - [69] - Quote Yarrrrg. Also worth discussing: permanent increase in active SP Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 957	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:03:00 - [70] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. It has become that... with all the increases in requirements just to prop up a gamestyle... earning SP has become less and less viable. There really isn't anything in the game that warrants needing 2+ Years of SP just to make it worth attaining. In EVE, this was acceptable because of the tiers or ship and equipment were what created this goal, but in DUST, it's a shooter, much smaller range of viable expectation, and hence the time needed to complete a task has to be lowered relatively. What and where needs to be changed? I don't know, but I do know the grind is getting to me, and I'm a person who has played games such as Runescape without ever once using a bot, and gaining skills up to level 70. Frankly put, I'd call that a good indicator that something feels too slow. Either there is not enough progression that the system is capable of, or the earning needs to be shortened. One such thing would to give a weekly rollover SP that earns at a slightly higher rate (think "Rested" exp from World of Warcraft) This would diminish the gaps between the advanced and medium hour intensive playstyles. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.

deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 853	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:05:00 - [71] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. DOUBLE YAAARRRRGGGGGGGGGG Straight increasing the bonus cap would only lead to more AFK. The goal should be to reward players who are continuing after the cap. I am sure the current numbers are set based on keeping people logged in for a certain amount of time but a lot of those are just AFK farmers. Set SP to triple just like with an event but keep the weekly cap the same and increase the after cap SP to 3000 (1000WP x 3 as normal). You would likely see a reduction in AFKers that would lead to higher payouts in pubs and better matchmaking. Just make this a one month event and test it out.
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:06:00 - [72] - Quote YARRRRG!
Aabalony Jumbo Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:07:00 - [73] - Quote YAAARRRRRGG!
Ohishi Reign Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing 0	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:08:00 - [74] - Quote YAARRRGGG!
Cass Caul 794	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:09:00 - [75] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: It's not laziness or ignorance - the cap has very specific and logical reasons /I'll hit the bed in like 2 seconds, so I won't go into details/. I just happen to think that you guys might be right in assuming it could be slightly outdated. Again, no promises other than I will bring this up, and get discussion going on it, see what I can do. OMG, it's spreading. Like some sort of infection, but in reverse. Hubris is residing and an employee admits something was done wrong! Maybe even willing to fix the problem! Why couldn't this kind of thing happened when the game actually had a future? Oh well, yarrrrg, I guess. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 382	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:45:00 - [76] - Quote Yarrrg
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1797	Posted - 2014.08.21 05:55:00 - [77] - Quote Yaarg. Pirates FTW. PSN Sil4ntChaozz If i have nothing to say why do you want me to talk? Anything you can do a NINJA can do better
Mregomies Beer For Evil Mercs 238	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:02:00 - [78] - Quote Yarrrr! Remove th' barnacle-covered weekly cap! Let th' mighty band 'o pirates grow stronger. Suomi, Finland, PERKELE! Logibro Logibro2
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 983	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:16:00 - [79] - Quote YARRGGG MOTHER **** Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 65	Posted - 2014.08.21 06:52:00 - [80] - Quote For all the beer in Flying Spaghetti Monster heaven YES!

The Eristic Dust 90210 625	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:00:00 - [81] - Quote Yargest of yargs. For a very, very long time, the cap has been essentially pointless. The no-lifers and vets all have tons of SP, so much that a higher or nonexistent cap would facilitate little more than "horizontal" growth, letting us mess around with different stuff more easily, not adding any "power" outside of more versatility (considering most of us already have multiple proto suits, weapons, et cetera, even that point is somewhat moot). New characters, however, are shafted by the cap, as almost every investment up to 15-20M represents significant "vertical" growth (unless the SP has all been spent in Ion Pistols and Flaylocks), making the character quantifiably stronger. Building cores up, grinding through "null" skills like the frames, acquiring a proto suit, weapon, tank and regen mods (or just few things to advanced, as new players will likely want to try things out - the basic frame skills REALLY get in the way there, especially since some roles have no Militia versions), grenades, and if they want to be a real scout or logi, god help 'em. It seems almost insurmountable when you've had to fight through countless stomps in your starter gear trying to get a basic frame to III so you can finally put a level into that shiny Assault, only to realize you're raking in 500 SP match and it'll be days before you can start working towards your goal again. Better off not playing at all and letting passive do the work once you've capped at that point. 1000 SP max isn't worth the struggle. Jack the cap way up or remove it, even. It isn't going to hurt anything at this point in the game's life cycle, and I'd imagine 100% of our SP won't transfer to Legion because it'd cause exactly the same vet stomping problem that Dust has had forever, so likely no issue there. Let old players keep trying new things, and give newbies a fighting chance if they do the work! Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
CamClarke Inner.Hell 57	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:54:00 - [82] - Quote Yarrrrrg. As others have stated, this late in the game a cap (especially one so low) does nothing but hurt new players by slowing the rate they can catch up to the older ones with 3+ proto suits and almost every proto weapon.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1231	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:09:00 - [83] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Once upon a time, CCP looked at the SP system. They said 'Hey, people are earning SP too fast, let's slow it down!' Thus was the daily cap born. Nobody liked it. It was painfully restrictive and poorly done. So CCP looked at it again. Unwilling to get rid of it, they called for a vote. A daily cap, a weekly cap? Should there be rollover? How restrictive should it be? Weekly with rollover, people cried out. Nobody wanted the draconian restrictions. They wanted a softer cap. So CCP made the cap weekly, and said rollover would come Soon(TM). It was still a paltry cap, but it was better than previously and people carried on hoping rollover would come soon. The cap became a little nicer as well - instead of cutting you back to 50 SP a match, it let you earn an entire thousand! But the rollover was slow in coming. Months passed, and Uprising came. SP sinks increased literally fivefold. The pointless basic frame skillwall was introduced. Engineering and electronics had their skill multipliers skyrocketed. It used to cost 600k for a newbie to max them and start being able to fit properly. Suit skill multipliers shot through the roof so far they entered orbit, although this was later reverted. But still we had that 180k weekly cap. Rollover had failed to materialise. There was silence on the subject for a few months until a dev eventually asked wtf we were talking about and said there were no plans for it. And here we are now, years on, with that very same cap that was once called a temporary measure. Confirming this to be quite accurate depiction of history. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1231	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:10:00 - [84] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Ahoy! Can we please have people who want this to post in this thread saying "yarrrrrg" or something similar to "sign up" and express they are interested in raising the weekly bonus SP? I'll probably get this thread moved to "Features and Ideas Discussion" once I get in the office, notify people who have to be notified about such things, and see if I can swing something. No promises on the outcome, but I'll do my usual poking around. NO As if current cap is good where it is, until proper roll-over system is introduced (soonTm) People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1231	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:17:00 - [85] - Quote Helping newbros would be good, but that's an another question than GM Archdukes. As is removing the cap altogether (facepalm). As is rollover systems details. He specifically asked for 'who wants cap increased'. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 350	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:22:00 - [86] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Once upon a time, CCP looked at the SP system. They said 'Hey, people are earning SP too fast, let's slow it down!' Thus was the daily cap born. Nobody liked it. It was painfully restrictive and poorly done. So CCP looked at it again. Unwilling to get rid of it, they called for a vote. A daily cap, a weekly cap? Should there be rollover? How restrictive should it be? Weekly with rollover, people cried out. Nobody wanted the draconian restrictions. They wanted a softer cap. So CCP made the cap weekly, and said rollover would come Soon(TM). It was still a paltry cap, but it was better than previously and people carried on hoping rollover would come soon. The cap became a little nicer as well - instead of cutting you back to 50 SP a match, it let you earn an entire thousand! But the rollover was slow in coming. Months passed, and Uprising came. SP sinks increased literally fivefold. The pointless basic frame skillwall was introduced. Engineering and electronics had their skill multipliers skyrocketed. It used to cost 600k for a newbie to max them and start being able to fit properly. Suit skill multipliers shot through the roof so far they entered orbit, although this was later reverted. But still we had that 180k weekly cap. Rollover had failed to materialise. There was silence on the subject for a few months until a dev eventually asked wtf we were talking about and said there were no plans for it. And here we are now, years on, with that very same cap that was once called a temporary measure. I have 62,000,000 sp GM Archduke I vote for you to look at the Cap again.You are just keeping people down
Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 80	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:38:00 - [87] - Quote Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 112	Posted - 2014.08.21 08:48:00 - [88] - Quote Yarrrrrrg Pro Galmando - Gal Sentinel Suicidal A/V Moron
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 544	Posted - 2014.08.21 09:13:00 - [89] - Quote I don't care. I never, ever, managed to hit the weekly cap, anyway. And I used to play multiple ~1000 WP matches a day for a few months. I don't even want to know how the **** people could consider the cap to be too low. Then again, it's a dieing game. So removing the cap would be of no important consequences.
Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 127	Posted - 2014.08.21 09:31:00 - [90] - Quote yes for raising no to rollover Rollover won't affect anyone who caps each week - except for the odd holiday catch up. Rollover wont affect those that don't cap each week. It basically only helps those that sometimes cap and sometimes don't - I expect most people are firmly in one camp or another. Everyone benefits from raising the cap. Lower SP players benefit more as each 100k SP means new things or new abilities - higher SP players have a slower progression due to the diminishing returns of the SP multipliers. The multipliers are there to make the progression non linear in the first place. My next 500K SP will go into some weapon optimization skill giving me 1 PG if I'm lucky - whereas a new merc could take a suit from basic to advanced.



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