You're absolutely right. Not to mention the shield loss on the Energizer between the levels. Screws you over on the shield sentinels and assaults. It does not justify the CPU increase like you said

Any buff will be through CPU reduction, and maybe some tiny PG introduction

I think a small buff for the following shield rechargers and energizers is in order.

Complex shield recharger 45% - > 55%
It makes no sense to have this recharger less than the enhanced shield energizer. They should be equal so that you trade higher CPU cost for no penalty, just like the basic to enhanced.

Complex shield energizer 65% - > 75%
The current level of 65% is too low. It's only 10% more than the enhanced energizer, not worth the extra 21 CPU it costs to fit. On my min assault, fitting a complex energizer over the enhanced only provides an extra 3 hp/s shield recharge.

Think this could make it to delta?

Thanks.

Buff the extenders then! even just a little bit! Shield tanking need some love!

Any buff will be through CPU reduction, and maybe some tiny PG introduction

Lol assaults,more like logis.

Assaults were buffed to insane levels,you have 0 right to QQ in any form.

Any buff will be through CPU reduction, and maybe some tiny PG introduction

I think a small buff for the following shield rechargers and energizers is in order.

Complex shield recharger 45% - > 55%
It makes no sense to have this recharger less than the enhanced shield energizer. They should be equal so that you trade higher CPU cost for no penalty, just like the basic to enhanced.

Complex shield energizer 65% - > 75%
The current level of 65% is too low. It's only 10% more than the enhanced energizer, not worth the extra 21 CPU it costs to fit. On my min assault, fitting a complex energizer over the enhanced only provides an extra 3 hp/s shield recharge.

Think this could make it to delta?

Thanks.

Any buff will be through CPU reduction, and maybe some tiny PG introduction

You're Insane.

Please no, these modules are already on the border of being too good.

it does.. the extenders need to scale like 44 66 88 not 33 50 66 its like a huge leap between 33 and 50 but then the 50 to 66 is underwhelming

Alldin, can you expand a little on that?

On my Cal Assault I have:

1x dmg mod
1x Enhanced energizer
1x complex shield extender
2x enhanced shield extender
353 Armor with 4.80 m/s
1x Complex shield regulator
1x allotek nanohive (R)
PRO combat Rifle
PRO Scrambler pistol
a flux grenade

I get 510+ Shields with decent dps and a Shield recharge rate of nearly 50 with a delay of almost 3.0 seconds. Buffing the module even further is unecessary with the shield regen on Caldari already being double that of the average Armor rep Suit.

remember not everyone like you have tons of sp to put into the fitting oper (1.8 million) to lower their pg for they weapons. remembe3r balance for all not the elite

I'm at lv 4 for cpu/pg reduction, I could've simply downgraded a plate or the weapon to fit it if I had less sp. Shield modules were alright prior to the buff, giving another would be excessive. The STD/ADV recharger would then require tweaks to not get far from PRO amount and the 75% energizer would be overkill (65% is already huge, ADV energizer was ok at 45% and did not need buff)

Lets not forget the skill adds that shield regeneration adds to both modules. I believe each gets 25% boost to their +45%/+65% to the modules. At proto level that brings them to +56%/+81% to regen just eyeballing the numbers and rounding down.

Lets not forget the skill adds that shield regeneration adds to both modules. I believe each gets 25% boost to their +45%/+65% to the modules. At proto level that brings them to +56%/+81% to regen just eyeballing the numbers and rounding down.

I think a small buff for the following shield rechargers and energizers is in order.

Complex shield recharger 45% - > 55%
It makes no sense to have this recharger less than the enhanced shield energizer. They should be equal so that you trade higher CPU cost for no penalty, just like the basic to enhanced.

Complex shield energizer 65% - > 75%
The current level of 65% is too low. It's only 10% more than the enhanced energizer, not worth the extra 21 CPU it costs to fit. On my min assault, fitting a complex energizer over the enhanced only provides an extra 3 hp/s shield recharge.

Think this could make it to delta?

Thanks.

CCP has a long standing for Dust of standard versus enhanced item differences being greater than enhanced versus prototype differences. Honestly I'm okay with this since it means that you spend larger amounts of isk and CPU/PG for that extra performance. Also, since the prototypes are the greatest that you can get, they take full advantage of the bonuses that come with the skills required to use those modules.

There is a tradeoff between Energizers and rechargers. Simply put, the energizers sacrifice some shields to get that extra boost to shield recharge rate. Shield rechargers do not, and as such I don't think they should go past 50%. Plus, you can't forget the bonuses that come with it (an extra 10% for complex I think).

In order for the Shield energizers to be pushed up to 75% they would need to increase the penalty by about 2% meaning that you would lose 8% total shields per module. The increase in penalty would equal out the benefits so that technically you wouldn't get just an immediate boost in "power/strength." 3 of these "proposed" modules together would decrease total shields by almost 1/4th.

Shields loss is on base shields not total.

On my Cal Assault I have:

1x dmg mod
1x Enhanced energizer
1x complex shield extender
2x enhanced shield extender
353 Armor with 4.80 m/s
1x Complex shield regulator
1x allotek nanohive (R)
PRO combat Rifle
PRO Scrambler pistol
a flux grenade

I get 510+ Shields with decent dps and a Shield recharge rate of nearly 50 with a delay of almost 3.0 seconds. Buffing the module even further is unecessary with the shield regen on Caldari already being double that of the average Armor rep Suit.

On my Cal Assault I have:

1x dmg mod
1x Enhanced energizer
1x complex shield extender
2x enhanced shield extender
353 Armor with 4.80 m/s
1x Complex shield regulator
1x allotek nanohive (R)
PRO combat Rifle
PRO Scrambler pistol
a flux grenade

I get 510+ Shields with decent dps and a Shield recharge rate of nearly 50 with a delay of almost 3.0 seconds. Buffing the module even further is unecessary with the shield regen on Caldari already being double that of the average Armor rep Suit.

Any buff will be through CPU reduction, and maybe some tiny PG introduction

How I see it, they should have the best shields (slightly more than they have now, even), the second best recharge, and the second best shield recharge delay. The Minmatar, being hit and run, make the most sense as being high regen, low downtime.

I already brought this up before, some went on to object to the idea.

OK I may be insane but you just precisely proved my point, nobody uses complex energizers or rechargers. Rattati I'm sure you've seen data to confirm this.

Oh and it's not like anyone has been saying shields are OP lol. I still believe a buff like I suggested makes more sense.