If i saw any of those i wouldn't feel they meant anything but gibberish, i mean i don't do lore... Can we think about ranks that sound like they mean the part but, consist of real world terminology?

sir we not need to know your opinion of what you like that is why there is a "like" button

if you don't like his suggestions,make your own.

No, It was valid and it was presented in a non-argumentative way. I'm just not sure what to say beyond "Okay, let's put a 'Gallente rank x' infront". There's not much I can do to build off of it.

Some may think of it as dumbing it down or catering to the lowest common denominator or the like, but I simply don't see a lot of people getting excited and jumping on board FW for titles they don't understand and tbh are not likely to invest the time into doing so. Maybe that's what some people want, for it to be somewhat elitist (I'm not saying any of this necessarily applies to you personally). I don't really think that should be the case, myself.

That's my contrarian argument: While these are well thought out titles, they are (perhaps unfortunately) incomprehensible to the majority of players and most likely won't add to the FW experience or increase interest in FW in the manner you hope it will. (or in the way Rattati envisioned when he initially floated the idea)

I think that appropriately themed ranks/titles, like those proposed by Kagehoshi or True, but which are also more accessible, will accomplish the goals of both rewarding loyal players and giving extra incentive for those not currently invested in a particular fashion to do so.

I invite your counter-argument to that.... beyond a variation on "it's too dull or pedestrian" or "mine is better because of x". That's already been covered. We all think our own hard work is great, so I am not necessarily interested in why you feel yours is better.

Instead, I would like to know what you see as the major flaw in using more accessible or military-themed language? What is "wrong" (for lack of a better term) with that?

Foreword: The titles I chose err very much so on the side of introducing fluff to people and have a focus on trying to expand the universe and its fluff, I'm more than happy to answer questions and attempt to iterate upon ideas so long as it's done in a civil, constructive and non-argumentative manner, I don't want this thread turning south like the last one did.

Minmatar titles
1)Thrall
2)Drengr
3)Hirdmenn
4)Hersir
5)Sturaesman
6)Thegn
7)Jarl
8)Vaettr replaced Alfr, Vaettr means 'wight' (which fits the theme), and comes from 'vita' and also means 'to be'.
9)Draugr
10)Einherjiar

All fairly generic nordic words (one of the root influences of the minmatar language and culture), placed in order of importance. Galm Fae was the primary originator of these titles and would be the person to ask, as my understanding of the language is a little weak.

Caldari titles
1) Shaatei (Lowest Ranking Member)
2) Ashigaru (Foot soldiers of Feudal Japan)
3) Kirjuun (caldari word equivalent of 'comrade')
4) Shogun (Ancient Warlords
5) Daimyo (Landowning Noble)
6) R+ìj+½ (Highest Ranking in their group)
7) Kugy+ì (Most powerful men in a court)
8) Baku (A dream eating beast. Also means 'strike' in Napanii.)
9) Raij+½ (A thunder beast that falls to Earth in a ball of Lighting)
10) Rasetsu (A violent 'spirit' that more or less embodies an emotion like wrath, functionally impossible to kill - could probably be replaced with a word like Oni)

Could use a little bit of work on these titles but almost all of them stem from Japanese words which is one of the root influences of caldari culture and language (which is more of a mix of Swedish and Japanese).

Gallente titles
1) Trophimoi
2) Ekdromoi
3) Homoioi (covered in spartiate link it means 'peers')
4) Sarissophoroi
5) Hoplite
6) Spartiate
7) Somatophylakes I was tempted to replace this with Hetairoi, but that's a bit of a later period thing.
8) Erinyes
9) Gyges
10) Hekatonkheir

Greek culture is one of the largest (easily identifiable) influences upon the gallente and they love to name their ships after them, the second easily identifiable influence on the gallente is the concept of beings of primordial chaos.

Amarr titles
1) Turay (means 'private')
2) Templar (Go to title for amarrian immortal mercs)
3) Seren (means 'tyrant' or 'lord', also used as 'captain')
4) Atabeg (title of hereditary nobility)
5) Palatine (High level court title, heavily associated with military)
6) Malik (it means 'king', but we could use it as a refluffed word for 'holder')
7) Aluf (Hebrew word meaning 'Champion', also used as a title for 'general')
8) Malak (Rank of judiac angel, means 'Messenger")
9) Erel (rank of judiac angel, means 'valiant/courageous')
10) Hashmal (rank of judiac ange...

Oh, and to the OP... there really is not much utility in having a thread in which we just post lists and count the likes. The "forum discussion impacting game development" model works better as an exchange of ideas and lively debate than as a popularity contest.
Stifling constructive discussion won't accomplish your stated aims.

Sorry for the long box folks.
didn't want to edit the hard work put in

really like the suggestions, if i could extend on the idea slightly..
Rather than dumbing the titles down, (let's face it dust is kind of the thinking persons fps)
how about we have the phonetics for the words along with the meanings available to players via the hints screen during loading times?
This would make the player base familiar with the difficult terminology both to pronounce it easily and to know the meanings without any drastic effort or re-working.

Idk, Mina, we are probably going to have to agree to disagree. Personally I see your titles as a little incongruous with an infantry-based game. So, I stand by my statement that they should really be more accessible, and certainly more martial and less mythical.

(You also didn't exactly answer my question, but whatever. Not answering it is an indirect answer, if that makes sense.)

bump,

dammit i getting tired of being called a liar/cheat about being level 10 cal

please rattati if you don't want to implement names for eack rank at least put a number on my tag that reads "lvl 10 cal"

I think the ranks/titles should be more inline with their eve FW counterparts.

Agreed.

Thanks, thankfully you've done the work because like I said, I don't do lore and have no idea what they mean. I'll give an example of what i meant using your amarrian ranks.

1) Turay (means 'private')
2) Templar (Go to title for amarrian immortal mercs)
3) Seren (means 'tyrant' or 'lord', also used as 'captain')
4) Atabeg (title of hereditary nobility)
5) Palatine (High level court title, heavily associated with military)
6) Malik (it means 'king', but we could use it as a refluffed word for 'holder')
7) Aluf (Hebrew word meaning 'Champion', also used as a title for 'general')
8) Malak (Rank of judiac angel, means 'Messenger")
9) Erel (rank of judiac angel, means 'valiant/courageous')
10) Hashmal (rank of judiac angel, means 'shining/glowing')

-- Translated To --

1) Private
2) Templar
3) Lord
4) Noble
5) Judge
6) Baron
7) Champion
8) Messenger
9) Valiant
10) Seraph (High Angel)

Essentially I've just translated your suggestions, and filled in the blanks.

Oooor if we do have to follow lore (which i get is a good thing) we could go along the lines of the more familiar.... Amarr are slavers.

1) Horder
2) Keeper
3) Slaver Lord
...ect...


What do you think?