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Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1045	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:49:00 - [1] - Quote Really? What help are they on the whole? If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5082	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:53:00 - [2] - Quote That depends on how much they want to help I guess. Some do it to relax a bit, some do it because they are crap and some do it as their main spec. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 396	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:54:00 - [3] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Really? What help are they on the whole? More of a benefit to the whole of a team than you are apparently I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1046	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:00:00 - [4] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Really? What help are they on the whole? More of a benefit to the whole of a team than you are apparently So guessing your sniper? if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 397	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:06:00 - [5] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: So guessing your sniper? if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing What do i bring? How about the ability to one man protect an objective leaving the rest of the team to take and defend everything else (a good sniper can hold and protect an objective). Or how about those nasty forge gunners on roof tops sniping at you and keeping you from getting your dropship up there to kill them who do you think gets rid of them? It sure as hell isnt you. Or what about that one nasty dropuplink the enemy is spawning on that NO ONE on your team seems to notice is there? Who do you think gets rid of that? The sniper of course. Like i said before they are more use in a match than you will ever be. Learn the facts before hating on a class that is clearly better than whatever it is you run I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 326	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:08:00 - [6] - Quote Lowest benefit role... Don't take objectives or installations, don't heal, res, supply ammo or spawn points (outside the redline), lowest wp. They do get good K/D's ( but usually from scavaging kills of there teammates that get within 300m of the objective ). Lonewolf till I die
Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 41	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:11:00 - [7] - Quote I was about to make a large post, then Leanna made the post about what exactly snipers can do. These are of course, Snipers that do leave the red line we are talking about rather than the guy who redline camps with a Thale. Though that of course adds in counter sniping those guys when they are actually getting kills and driving them to quit the match after a couple of kills.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 460	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:12:00 - [8] - Quote Not sure. Attack Drop Ships, fulfill and counter the role of sniper pretty hard. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 400	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:13:00 - [9] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Lowest benefit role... Don't take objectives or installations, don't heal, res, supply ammo or spawn points (outside the redline), lowest wp. They do get good K/D's ( but usually from scavaging kills of there teammates that get within 300m of the objective ). So says the one who gets sniped on a daily basis. And thats only for the snipers who just snipe for the kills. I snipe for the enjoyment of it and i make sure i benefit my team. This hatred of snipers is getting to a point of harrassment and im frankly tired of it. If you hate snipers in this game this much then just go back to COD where you belong and run and gun cause thats all the lot of you are good for anyways. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 400	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:15:00 - [10] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: I was about to make a large post, then Leanna made the post about what exactly snipers can do. These are of course, Snipers that do leave the red line we are talking about rather than the guy who redline camps with a Thale. Though that of course adds in counter sniping those guys when they are actually getting kills and driving them to quit the match after a couple of kills. Actually i can do all this from the redline i just have to pick the perfect spot (which are rare and few) you dont have to be in range of the objective you just have to be within a line of sight of it and have a clear view. Although there are some maps that sniping just isnt worth the trouble thats when i pull out a forge and snipe vehicles with that :P I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off

Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 400	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:16:00 - [11] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Not sure. Attack Drop Ships, fulfill and counter the role of sniper pretty hard. Not if that sniper carries proto swarms >:) I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:17:00 - [12] - Quote A role that people can play because they enjoy. This is just a video game at the end of the day. In my personal opinion it's best for ridding the field of scouts. They get tired of getting 1 shot and eventually either move to 1 point that is more protected or switch into a different suit. Also when a sniper is killing you guys from the enemy team having a good sniper on your team is a good deterrent. Shooting out hard to reach uplinks or defending a point in skirmish or domination is also something a sniper is very good at. In ambush you might hate snipers but the point is to kill as many clones while trying not to lose any so a sniper really fits perfectly there. I think the main reason of the hate for snipers is because if your a bad sniper it hurts your team a lot more, in comparison a bad player who is still in an infantry suit will still be helping his team more even if it's just to give the enemy team another target to shoot at for distraction. Tanks don't really have a role either, besides killing another tank. If you are going to say "infantry suppression" then we already have the laser rifle, assaults in general, ads's and snipers to do that. Av can also be used to take out installations, hav's and ads's. We don't really NEED tanks but it's nice to have some diversity. We don't really NEED scouts or heavies either for that matter.This game could still be played with only medium suits but it wouldn't be anywhere near as fun. Removing something because we don't 100% benefit from it is a bad argument in this game because there are tons of fun and interesting things in here that we really don't actually benefit from besides it being a fun aspect of the game, but taking them away detracts from the whole Dust package.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 330	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:17:00 - [13] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Lowest benefit role... Don't take objectives or installations, don't heal, res, supply ammo or spawn points (outside the redline), lowest wp. They do get good K/D's ( but usually from scavaging kills of there teammates that get within 300m of the objective ). So says the one who gets sniped on a daily basis. And thats only for the snipers who just snipe for the kills. I snipe for the enjoyment of it and i make sure i benefit my team. This hatred of snipers is getting to a point of harrassment and im frankly tired of it. If you hate snipers in this game this much then just go back to COD where you belong and run and gun cause thats all the lot of you are good for anyways. Being sniped accounts for about 1/20 of my deaths but it is annoying when I kill 3-4 enemy's and suddenly die from a coward 200 m inside the redline... I would snipe back but sniper rifles reek of **** and fear lol. Lonewolf till I die
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1051	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:19:00 - [14] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: So guessing your sniper? if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing What do i bring? How about the ability to one man protect an objective leaving the rest of the team to take and defend everything else (a good sniper can hold and protect an objective). Or how about those nasty forge gunners on roof tops sniping at you and keeping you from getting your dropship up there to kill them who do you think gets rid of them? It sure as hell isnt you. Or what about that one nasty dropuplink the enemy is spawning on that NO ONE on your team seems to notice is there? Who do you think gets rid of that? The sniper of course. Like i said before they are more use in a match than you will ever be. Learn the facts before hating on a class that is clearly better than whatever it is you run Basically what your saying is you do nothing special....I've done all those things as Commando on my way to win the match. In all those scenario's you listed, other classes do better. All snipers are is one less soldier on their team. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3003	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:21:00 - [15] - Quote Enemy heavies? Let me weaken them for you so you get a free kill. Enemy snipers? Already dead to me. Getting shot from rooftops? No problem. Scout about to CQC you? He's messing with the wrong berry. Uplink on a rooftop? Don't worry about it. Someone's capturing a point? They're in my sights. I'm barely doing anything? Probably means I'm having something or looking for a better advantage point.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1337	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:25:00 - [16] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: What do i bring? How about the ability to one man protect an objective leaving the rest of the team to take and defend everything else (a good sniper can hold and protect an objective). Or how about those nasty forge gunners on roof tops sniping at you and keeping you from getting your dropship up there to kill them who do you think gets rid of them? It sure as hell isnt you. Or what about that one nasty dropuplink the enemy is spawning on that NO ONE on your team seems to notice is there? Who do you think gets rid of that? The sniper of course. Like i said before they are more use in a match than you will ever be. Learn the facts before hating on a class that is clearly better than whatever it is you run LOL Leanna Boghin wrote: Like i said before they are more use in a match than you will ever be. ROFL. Completely delusional. 1 Sniper versus a FG sitting on a proper hive setup is doing nothing more than wasting ammo. The whole match. I lost count of the sheer number of scrubs who kept shooting me and watching my armor rep back to full. You are most likely one of those. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme. GBN: Prof 5 FG, HMG, SMG, AR, LR Prof 4 ScR RR, SR Proto Logi, Heavy, Assault.
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 332	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:33:00 - [17] - Quote Never seen a sniper break 6000 wp. Lonewolf till I die
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 401	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:36:00 - [18] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: ROFL. Completely delusional. 1 Sniper versus a FG sitting on a proper hive setup is doing nothing more than wasting ammo. The whole match. I lost count of the sheer number of scrubs who kept shooting me and watching my armor rep back to full. You are most likely one of those. Actually im the one that uses a tactical and head shots you 3 times in a row killing you in one flued motion. The more people hate on sniping the more sniping i will do and the more redline sniping i will do. So go on keep hating so i can make you rage later on like you always do :) I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 401	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:37:00 - [19] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Never seen a sniper break 6000 wp. Getting WP isnt the only thing that benefits a team and helps them win. You would realize this if you sniped even once in the game. But since you have no understanding of sniping what so ever you should probably stop being so butthurt about getting sniped. Btw if you didnt stand still so often i wouldnt kill you so often. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 462	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:41:00 - [20] - Quote You don't understand just how passionate snipers can be.. It's rather unrewarding, often times boring, especially just sitting in the red line taking pot shots at fast moving cloaked scouts and 1200-1600hp heavies at a distance. If you think this is fun with the current damage profile and low alpha damage. I promise you it's not. Annoying at best. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)

Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1365	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:42:00 - [21] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: ROFL. Completely delusional. 1 Sniper versus a FG sitting on a proper hive setup is doing nothing more than wasting ammo. The whole match. I lost count of the sheer number of scrubs who kept shooting me and watching my armor rep back to full. You are most likely one of those. Actually im the one that uses a tactical and head shots you 3 times in a row killing you in one flued motion. The more people hate on sniping the more sniping i will do and the more redline sniping i will do. So go on keep hating so i can make you rage later on like you always do :) Anyway. I've seen and know useful snipers but they are 1 in a dozen IMO. Never seen you though so I can't really comment on that. Snipers have their place sure, but more often than not the 'sniper' on whatever team is a burden. And when there's like 4-x snipers on the team the result is clear. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1051	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:48:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Enemy heavies? Let me weaken them for you so you get a free kill. Enemy snipers? Already dead to me. Getting shot from rooftops? No problem. Scout about to CQC you? He's messing with the wrong berry. Uplink on a rooftop? Don't worry about it. Someone's capturing a point? They're in my sights. I'm barely doing anything? Probably means I'm having something or looking for a better advantage point. Pinging heavies is a good one! Counter sniping is a bad point for an obvious reason...pretty sure you never or anyone has sniped a scout before they assassinated their target. If I'm getting shot from a rooftop I shoot back, thought that's what everyone did? Uplink on a rooftop just means it's raining easy kills, someone capturing a point? We can take it back but before the hand over but a valid point if you was to make defending that point your sole job. But alot of these points are made mute if you was being an active threat for the enemy team rather than a passive threat. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1051	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:49:00 - [23] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Not sure. Attack Drop Ships, fulfill and counter the role of sniper pretty hard. Not if that sniper carries proto swarms >:) What suit ya run then? Assuming C-Com? If you have both swarm and a sniper. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 401	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:52:00 - [24] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Anyway. I've seen and know useful snipers but they are 1 in a dozen IMO. Never seen you though so I can't really comment on that. Snipers have their place sure, but more often than not the 'sniper' on whatever team is a burden. And when there's like 4-x snipers on the team the result is clear. Honestly its tiring the amount of people that blame snipers for THEIR failures. "Oh someone was sniping on our team thats why we lost." Seriously its like someone pulling out an lav to combat 3 tanks and then asking why they got killed. Most times yes there are way too many snipers on the map than need be. You really only need two for Skirm. One if its a dom match and maybe two for ambush hitting the enemy from both sides. Too many snipers will hinder a team sure but if there is just one sniper on your team sniping away blaming them because YOU lost the match is just plain ignorant. Get better at the game and stop blaming everyone else for your failures thats all there is too it. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 401	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:54:00 - [25] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Not sure. Attack Drop Ships, fulfill and counter the role of sniper pretty hard. Not if that sniper carries proto swarms >:) What suit ya run then? Assuming C-Com? If you have both swarm and a sniper. Lately yes because of the bonuses it is the suit most beneficial for sniping. But before that i ran Caldari assault and did just as well regardless of the annoying flies buzzing around my head. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3004	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:55:00 - [26] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Joel II X wrote: Enemy heavies? Let me weaken them for you so you get a free kill. Enemy snipers? Already dead to me. Getting shot from rooftops? No problem. Scout about to CQC you? He's messing with the wrong berry. Uplink on a rooftop? Don't worry about it. Someone's capturing a point? They're in my sights. I'm barely doing anything? Probably means I'm hacking something or looking for a better advantage point. Pinging heavies is a good one! Counter sniping is a bad point for an obvious reason...pretty sure you never or anyone has sniped a scout before they assassinated their target. If I'm getting shot from a rooftop I shoot back, thought that's what everyone did? Uplink on a rooftop just means it's raining easy kills, someone capturing a point? We can take it back but before the hand over but a valid point if you was to make defending that point your sole job. But alot of these points are made mute if you was being an active threat for the enemy team rather than a passive threat. I've killed various cloaked before they got their kill, thank you very much. Plus, who is this "we" because I almost certain never "you guys" doing what you said "you guys" do.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1365	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:57:00 - [27] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Repe Susi wrote: Anyway. I've seen and know useful snipers but they are 1 in a dozen IMO. Never seen you though so I can't really comment on that. Snipers have their place sure, but more often than not the 'sniper' on whatever team is a burden. And when there's like 4-x snipers on the team the result is clear. Honestly its tiring the amount of people that blame snipers for THEIR failures. "Oh someone was sniping on our team thats why we lost." Seriously its like someone pulling out an lav to combat 3 tanks and then asking why they got killed. Most times yes there are way too many snipers on the map than need be. You really only need two for Skirm. One if its a dom match and maybe two for ambush hitting the enemy from both sides. Too many snipers will hinder a team sure but if there is just one sniper on your team sniping away blaming them because YOU lost the match is just plain ignorant. Get better at the game and stop blaming everyone else for your failures thats all there is too it. How about first you stop putting words in my (and others) mouth. Maybe you should read my post again eh? Second: How about you click the smiley on my earlier post and reflect on that a little? Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5086	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:10:00 - [28] - Quote I like mid range sniping with the charged sniper. Decent SMG for backup. I'd say I'm a squad sniper when I do it. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 389	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:36:00 - [29] - Quote It's the same concept of tanks (When properly balanced) or heavies (when properly balanced) or mass drivers or AV. What is that concept? Team Support. problem that occurs in game is that in the same way that people oversimplify balance, people also over simplify tactics. A good sniper, makes sure no one wants to step out in the open. Some maps this is pretty useless like that domination map where the objective is inside that furnace looking room but I rarely see anyone snipe on that map. In many others like the bridge map, the objective is highly vulnerable and a good sniper will either lower the amount of reinforcements a bridge push has or outright thwart a smaller advancement. Like all support roles and all roles in general however, a sniper is pretty useless if no one is on the front line to maintain the objective. The misconception is that a sniper is bad if they cannot kill anyone, however this is only true IF there was someone to kill. The presence of a sniper in the kill feed can funnel enemy forces and deter blitz tactics and high aggression. This in itself, can help turn the tide of battle. Most players, even vets, will forget that tactics are not simply about who kills who... as anytime a MCC is destroyed by a lower clone count, this fact is proven. Of course in ambush, it's all about the clone kills, but that's TDM. Tanks would be another prime example of a misconception of a class. Tanks are highly volatile and near invulnerable (In respect to the amount of weapons that exist vs. the amount of weapons that can hurt them) and are the greatest weapon that can be employed by a team to cover infantry and push an objective. They are moving cover that, if ignored, will devastate the enemy team and in the least can force the gaining of ground. Where tanks often get confused is that tankers sometimes judge themselves based upon how long they survive, vs. how helpful they actually were. A great tank makes it difficult for themselves to be killed while also helping their team push towards the objective/objectives. Much of this can easily be over looked by the average player because the average player generally gives in and plays the game as TDM. Ask yourself how many times have you seen an LAV with a rail gunner and driver take out dropships and blaster tanks? Their high mobility and the effectiveness of a small rail turret over great distances makes this combo highly effective... however I've never seen it done by a team of two, not to say that it doesn't occur. I know I've killed tanks and dropships with an LAV by myself and mobility would make me even more troublesome. But this is often the issue, how often to players actually branch out from their favored fit? When is the last time you saw infantry hiding behind a tank while it slowly rolls up and blocks incoming fire to the objective even at its own detriment? Often people think the only way to improve their teams effectiveness is to, at least these days, roll out their proto scouts and proto heavies (Which now is turning into roll out their proto scouts and proto amarr assaults.) Team tactics even in poor gear will always trump direct action. However, team tactics are not simply pile guns on a target, that's is where people find out quickly poor gear won't cut it. 4 militia suits with rifles attacking a proto suit isn't extremely effective. However a militia tank with an LAV driver that stops when appropriate with a blaster/missle/rail gunner both wearing militia heavy suits combined with a militia sniper with clear sight to the proto suit, now suddenly those 4 militia suits are going to destroy that proto suit regardless of its layout. This is what people mean when they say team tactics win in matches. They aren't talking mob rules, mob pile ups of clones its all about the better gear. Team tactics are all about combined arms of effective role support. In summation, snipers do have both a direct and indirect role. They get the most flak when they are over used. Because you never need 5-6 snipers firing from the same position. Anything they would kill will be taken care of by 1-2 snipers.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 332	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:01:00 - [30] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Really? What help are they on the whole? More of a benefit to the whole of a team than you are apparently So guessing your sniper? if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing Beer, laughs and forum tears. That's what I bring. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN



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