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Coleman Gray
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Posted - 2014.08.14 10:49:00 -
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Really? What help are they on the whole?
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:00:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Really? What help are they on the whole? More of a benefit to the whole of a team than you are apparently ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png)
So guessing your sniper? if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:19:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:So guessing your sniper? ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing What do i bring? How about the ability to one man protect an objective leaving the rest of the team to take and defend everything else (a good sniper can hold and protect an objective). Or how about those nasty forge gunners on roof tops sniping at you and keeping you from getting your dropship up there to kill them who do you think gets rid of them? It sure as hell isnt you. Or what about that one nasty dropuplink the enemy is spawning on that NO ONE on your team seems to notice is there? Who do you think gets rid of that? The sniper of course. Like i said before they are more use in a match than you will ever be. Learn the facts before hating on a class that is clearly better than whatever it is you run ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png)
Basically what your saying is you do nothing special....I've done all those things as Commando on my way to win the match. In all those scenario's you listed, other classes do better. All snipers are is one less soldier on their team.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:48:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Enemy heavies? Let me weaken them for you so you get a free kill.
Enemy snipers? Already dead to me.
Getting shot from rooftops? No problem.
Scout about to CQC you? He's messing with the wrong berry.
Uplink on a rooftop? Don't worry about it.
Someone's capturing a point? They're in my sights.
I'm barely doing anything? Probably means I'm having something or looking for a better advantage point.
Pinging heavies is a good one! Counter sniping is a bad point for an obvious reason...pretty sure you never or anyone has sniped a scout before they assassinated their target. If I'm getting shot from a rooftop I shoot back, thought that's what everyone did? Uplink on a rooftop just means it's raining easy kills, someone capturing a point? We can take it back but before the hand over but a valid point if you was to make defending that point your sole job. But alot of these points are made mute if you was being an active threat for the enemy team rather than a passive threat.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:49:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:Not sure. Attack Drop Ships, fulfill and counter the role of sniper pretty hard. Not if that sniper carries proto swarms >:)
What suit ya run then? Assuming C-Com? If you have both swarm and a sniper.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 13:20:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Really? What help are they on the whole? More of a benefit to the whole of a team than you are apparently ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png) So guessing your sniper? ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) if so, what benefit are you to the team in an objectives based game? What do you bring to the table? Other than one less person fighting, at least AFK players are honest about what their doing Beer, laughs and forum tears. That's what I bring.
What no weed? T.T
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:42:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:I quit calling them snipers, as that insinuates some form of marksmanship. These pukes are just cushioning for my LAV when it drops from an RDV.
Well we cant call them scrubs since scrubs at least can be used for cannon fodder.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:18:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Really? What help are they on the whole? I've literally defended a domination objective on ashland with my thales. The enemy team had all controll over the aera but I didn;t let anyone hack and we won. Went 34-0. Mostly because I was able to head shot targets with a thale's that were standing still.
What game build?
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:- Intel Gathering
- Area Denial
- Suppression
- Point Defense
- Re-allocation of hostile resources
- Clearing Towers & Equipment
Do I need to go further?
Any slay orientated role can do all those things, plus they fit in with game mechanics....still waiting for a special reason to why we need snipers in THIS game
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:15:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:If you don't know then don't act as if you do. Snipers are very useful. if you don't think so then you simply don't know any of them. the foolish berries who go sit in the red lines or the ground troop who decides "this is a difficult round, i'll go snipe" or the player who uses his rifle to pad kdr. are not. but what use are: blueberries that team kill? players that will hinder their own team out of hatred for a certain class? people who go afk? squads that completely give up and hide? players who continuously run up to the same person that just killed them and repeatedly get killed? Solo players who try to take out full squads? tank drivers who insist on driving their tanks even on maps where nobody is reachable for them? or by your logic what use are any vehicles-killing clones isn't viewed as useful, so they don't hack things, if there were no vehicles we wouldn't want them for a.v. or for that matter by your train of thought why don't we just get rid of everything that doesn't have the word assault in it, because ultimately they can do everything that needs to be done. if you can't handle people not wanting to play your way i'd suggest you go back to single player games ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
Still waiting on an acceptable answer, so far all I got is KDR bragging, people trying to say the role of a sniper is to follow game basics like objective defending or destroying equipment but still no reason to why snipers are needed in this game.
But at the end of the day, people can't score as much because there's no one to kill because the enemy are shooting out of bounds, people earning less isk because less dying. If snipers actually left the redline they wouldn't get harassed or hated on. But the.fact of the matter is their very existence in the game is hypocritical.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Coleman Gray wrote: Any slay orientated role can do all those things,
Which includes Snipers, so your point is null. Though I've yet to find a role that allows you to do all of those things at the same time (without changing your loadout). With that in mind, may I also ask what the point of the Logistics is? I mean, any Scout or Light Frame can utilize their equipment Slots to have as much support capabilities as the Logistics while also having comparable eHP and better Biotics and eWAR capabilities. Another good question, is why we have Assault suits when my Commando has better DPS with a high eHP pool, along with a 2nd Light Weapon Slot. My Commando is obviously the better slayer so why have them? May I have a special reason as to why we need Assaults and Logistics in THIS game? Coleman Gray wrote:plus they fit in with game mechanics....still waiting for a special reason to why we need snipers in THIS game You make the assertion that Snipers don't need to be in DUST, so burden of proof as to why they shouldn't be rests in your hands.
Because it's against the point of the game. Risk & reward but no risk needed to be taken since you can just hide in the redline, get minimal wp and receive a reward for not playing the game. Isk reward is based on fittings lost in the match. From both enemies. And allies. So the less deaths, the less reward for everyone, winner or loser. Next sp reward is based on WP, main ways of scoring wp are killing, reviving, hacking, repping and resupply...all of which require an active opposing team who it's possible to engage with. So by hiding in the redline snipers are physically damaging to game mechanics. Forget fair play or good sportsmanship issues with snipers for now. My biggest problem is games with snipers yield less rewards for everyone.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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