Only proto got nerfed last I checked, but it also got more ammo?

And the std and advance straight up got buffed, to make them viable, hence the nerf at pro.

I don't see how you can turn all that into a nerf of the entire weapon class.

pro with damage module x3 is only like 20 damage less then old proto swarms.. but we have o take into account that pythons got 500 more hp(or was it 600) on their shields

but we have o take into account that pythons got 500 more hp(or was it 600) on their shields

You lost a grand total of 72 damage at the proto level. Cry me a river.

I feel like I am a noob with my very first swarms,

That's how you're supposed to feel with such an easymode weapon... Working as intended.

While I disagree with the OP, I have to point out that swarms were nerfed over and over again.

Imo it's fine, after all it's a fire and forget weapon.

Nothing easy about getting into optimal range of a vehicle with many times your top speed.
Nothing easy about getting three volleys onto target before target zips off well out-of-range.
Nothing easy about syncing these strikes with allied AV (absolutely required if intent is to destroy).
Nothing easy about surviving during and after firing swarms.

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Easy Mode, you say?

* Farm
* Take Damage
* Hit Afterburners

^ Please explain. How is this difficult?

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What Nibs is saying is that Swarms now "feel weak" (i.e. perception / sight / sound) when a volley is released; the fact that Swarms are in fact weak doesn't help the new feel.

TL;DR -- Swarms are bad. Now Swarms feel bad.

- Proficiency 5 Swarms

Swarms could also kill anything in a single magazine with no proficiency. They were insanely op.

The Nerf they got in 1.7 was justified. What was not justified was the vehicle buff that came with it.

As a dedicated AV Profinciency 5 I am discussed at the way CCP has handled the Nerf of the Swarm Launcher. It's no buff when you add it up. The least you could of done is keep the feeling of power when you release the swarms to at least give the player the same sensation of 6 swarms. It the feeling of power I miss....give it back. You nerfed my range, hit points and more...give it a rest.
I feel like I am a noob with my very first swarms, ca use that it what it feels like...not even as good as the CBR before the fix. You let Nova Knives take out tanks but not a swarm. WTF. Saw this in a PC...5 guys with Nova Knives took out a Proto Tank....REALLY DEVs...get a sense of balance here. That's like a knife takes out a tank but a bazooka can't. And you wonder why this ame is broken....you keep breaking it..... NOW PLEASE FIX IT and give me back that swarm launcher power feeling.

But you are a noob

You are using a weapon that requires no skill

You are using a weapon that require no aim

The weapon is more skilled that you

Also in the hotfix basic and adv swarms do more base damage, dmg mods are buffed and offset the nerf done to proto, no longer can pilots see if its proto/adv swarms since they all fire 4 missiles, its an overall buff and also your firing animation is quicker with just 4 missiles than 6 so you can fire quicker

1. OP has been around as long as the rest of us. She's among the best support players in the game. She isn't a "slayer" but that doesn't make her a noob. You are a fool to attempt to degrade this merc's standing. From this we can gather that what you lack in balls and spine, you've not made up with wit and brains. Which begs question. If every merc is good at something, what are idiot-coward mercs best at doing? What are your strengths, Taki?

2. There's substantially higher risk of harm to user in running swarms than in running HAV or ADS. The swarm user's "easy lock-on weaponry" can't engage from distance; he has to get in close enough to punch the dragon. That involves huge personal risk before, during and after volleying swarms. Where the dragon feeds, his friends gather to pickup scraps, and an exposed swarmer is always ripe for picking. And what of the dragon? The dragon feeds at zero risk then scurries off at the first sign of trouble. Should he take damage, he is fully recovered and back to feeding within seconds.

TL;DR
HAV / ADS - High Reward / Low Risk
Schwarms - Low Reward / High Risk

How to Fix
HAV / ADS - Nerf recovery, such that when repelled they remain repelled for longer than a few seconds.
Schwarms - Buff range, such that the act of repelling might not doom the operator.

1. Gibberish, using a noob weapon so noob, it is the easiest weapon to use in the game and require 0 skill or aim

2. Higher risk but again easiest weapon to use in the game which require 0 aim or skill

3. Nerf vehicles again, lol

4. why dont you use a FG?

5. What range would that be? dont ask for 400m either

1. Positioning and survival require skill, risk, effort and planning. Get hit, run away requires none of these.
2. See #1.
3. Yes. Still paying high rewards at low risk; lengthened recovery would add meaning to being chased away.
4. Because I skilled into Swarms and believe that all weapons should be viable.
5. I'd add 50 meters in Delta, and -- if needed -- another 25-50 meters in Echo.

1. Half the time they are on top of something waiting for the ADS to come around, thats lazyness and do you expect me to hover in front of you while you shoot me down?

2...

3. lol vehicles are easy to destroy, plus you dont even have to deal with any better varients or adv/proto hulls

4. Swarms should be bottom of the AV ladder or if you like you have to guide the missiles by keeping lock on that should stop fire and forget while you happen to be behind a hill but can lock on without looking and fire upwards without losing lock

5. So whats that 250m lock on? Missiles still have 400m range so essentially you want to be able to be in the middle of the map and lock onto everything

1 is what i see very often, 3 is right and frankly doesnt take much these days to make it next to useless or kill it since it cant defend itself anymore

5 equip a sidearm and you can fire off a 3 rounds in 4seconds and to a tank you wont outrun any swarms only ADS has a chance

It took 5 guys a tank out with knives, why do you think you shouldn't need at least one partner in AV to kill a tank?