That's how you're supposed to feel with such an easymode weapon... Working as intended.

But you are a noob

You are using a weapon that requires no skill

You are using a weapon that require no aim

The weapon is more skilled that you

Also in the hotfix basic and adv swarms do more base damage, dmg mods are buffed and offset the nerf done to proto, no longer can pilots see if its proto/adv swarms since they all fire 4 missiles, its an overall buff and also your firing animation is quicker with just 4 missiles than 6 so you can fire quicker

1. Gibberish, using a noob weapon so noob, it is the easiest weapon to use in the game and require 0 skill or aim

2. Higher risk but again easiest weapon to use in the game which require 0 aim or skill

3. Nerf vehicles again, lol

4. why dont you use a FG?

5. What range would that be? dont ask for 400m either

1. Half the time they are on top of something waiting for the ADS to come around, thats lazyness and do you expect me to hover in front of you while you shoot me down?

2...

3. lol vehicles are easy to destroy, plus you dont even have to deal with any better varients or adv/proto hulls

4. Swarms should be bottom of the AV ladder or if you like you have to guide the missiles by keeping lock on that should stop fire and forget while you happen to be behind a hill but can lock on without looking and fire upwards without losing lock

5. So whats that 250m lock on? Missiles still have 400m range so essentially you want to be able to be in the middle of the map and lock onto everything

1 is what i see very often, 3 is right and frankly doesnt take much these days to make it next to useless or kill it since it cant defend itself anymore

5 equip a sidearm and you can fire off a 3 rounds in 4seconds and to a tank you wont outrun any swarms only ADS has a chance

Swarms could also kill anything in a single magazine with no proficiency. They were insanely op.

The Nerf they got in 1.7 was justified. What was not justified was the vehicle buff that came with it.

But no one talks about how OP they are, they can follow you everywhere escaping buildings

I'm going to agree with Taka on this one.

In this thread I'm basically seeing that people want to use a Swarm Launcher as a Low Risk High reward weapon.

Fact is, that's not good for balance. Swarms are good to keep LAVs away, they are good at keeping Dropships away and they are good at being annoying to HAVs.

You don't see Plasma Cannon guys going around crying that they can't lock onto vehicles and not have to worry about aiming when it comes to vehicles.

You've got a 200 meter lock range, 400 effective range. Maybe they should come out with different Missiles types to help ease this situation.


High Speed Missile Swarms: Longer Range, More Effective Range, Low Guidance, High Speed, Lower Damage.

Direct Penetration type Missiles: Same ranges as now, high guidance, low speed, same damage.

Idk, something like that.

Really I just wanted to say that a low skill, low risk weapon should never weild high gains, ever.


And no, switching to a supply depot when you see a vehicle then firing when the gun says it's ok is not skill

So you want swarms to be low risk high reward? do you want vehicles to stop moving when you hit?

solve everyone's problems and just increase the speed the missiles travel (hell even make it a proficiency slot or something). Either way, the faster they get there, the less risk of failed shot, while increasing the chance of hitting the target. Doesn't do any more damage than before, So the ADS isn't in more danger initially, but when they get locked, they have to consider leaving then instead of waiting for that second volley.

Now please explain to why this doesn'/won't work.

EDIT: speed would be faster than an ADS pilot at top speed with an Afterburner. So you can't keep playing Elevator anymore.

Simply untrue.

ADS: a single loss = ISK negative for 1-2 battles. That alone is high risk, and with the many different ways that you can go down in flames ADS is most definitely not low risk. High reward, yeah because you can utterly dominate if the enemy team fails to provide resistance.

This is pretty much a cases of one side not looking at it from the other's viewpoint. I do run Swarms (CBR7) and I don't kill many ADSs, but I do get a ton of WP from forcing them to back off.

Says tiercide while infantry has proto suits and we have basic hulls

But it is

You have a basic suit but can upgrade, vehicle pilots cannot so we are stuck with what we have which now has less slots,mods,turrets,skills,hulls but thats fair infantry say

Thats BS and if proto AV was leveled to be against fully proto vehicles then it balances itself out

Now, let me clarify my stance: I feel that AV/V balance is in a good place for the most part. I do feel that ADSs can escape Swarm volleys very easily in too many circumstances (and my above points are more about how you think the ADS is some easymode tool.)

Personally, I would like to see regular Swarms increase in speed by about 50%. I would also like to see Assault Swarms become a long range suppression tool for use against DSs: longer lock range, a proportional damage reduction and a further speed increase, plus a travel range increase.

Once again balancing around 1 specific build, the build that people use simply because of swarms.