Baseless? Really?

So heavy QQ got REs and cloaks nerfed, yet we can't get a simple balance for a weapon and suit that's been buffed countless times(even when they didn't need it)

So dealing 600 dmg from 40 meters is fine?

People say your an idiot for fighting them up close because that is what they are supposed to do. Problem is, most points are in enclosed spaces so you can either confront them and be an idiot or wait for them to come out in the open which they will never do unless they are in an hav. A.K.A. give up the point.
A lot of you say to just out range them and you know what? That hmg reaches pretty damn far. Not just the assault hmg because it seems like barely anyone even uses it the normal one reaches so gd far who would. Rail rifles will beat them from max range but let's be realistic, heavies guard enclosed points.They aren't really out in the open and if they are they are close to cover. Maybe make a bigger difference between the assault and normal hmg so that they have to choose more between damage and range?
The point of my rambling is that i know people don't like things nerfed but maybe at LEAST adjust the range on the hmg. Leave the damage alone, leave the ludicrous amounts of hp alone but the range on top of all that is too much. They are monsters at every aspect of the match. I'm not a heavy hater, they are fun to play i will admit, but how fast i am dying in any other suit to them from long range is just crazy and then i look at the kill screen and see even if i had double my hp i still wouldn't have done enough damage to kill them. Please for the love of god at least admit they need to be toned down.

If the range is too short we just end up where were were at 1.7, every sentinel has a light weapon because it becomes more effective to run that instead.

And that is what they want.
They want me to use a 1600 HP suit and a (not)OP Rifle.
Fine.
I have Heavy builds with ACRs just for Manus Peak maps because of RRs and other CRs that are able to stay well out of reach of my FAHMG while putting me down, and they're ******* great.

My point is this: No matter what these little pukes get nerfed, they will still lose because their frame of mind is wrong. I will do what I have to to secure the Win. I will find another way, another weapon to achieve the same outcome - and I, like so many others, have the means to do so.

[They just need to get rid of Manus Peak. I don't know of anyone who still likes that map.

There's a lot of objectives that you can fire into from a safe distance / position. And the range of the HMG is counter balanced by the bullet dispersion it has. If you're getting killed by it at more than 40 meters you're either not moving much, already low on health, or one of the most common ways: someone else is shooting at you too and the HMG just got the last hit in.


If they could keep the center of the reticle directly on you because back then it had the precision of the laser rifle; which made it a horrible weapon for CQC.

People say your an idiot

Mass Drivers are still incredibly efficent against heavies, whatmwith being so slow, direct hits aren't difficult.

QFT

The problem is you along with most of the Dust community has not been around long enough to know what a true heavy is. I was one in closed Beta and if you think the heavy of this day is terrible you have not seen anything. In closed Beta I was able to crush an oncoming LAV with my HMG and then turn and kill up to 3 people before I was surrounded. My average was 7-8 kills before I was succumbed to damage, now I am lucky to survive a SG.

Complaining about 600 DPS at 40m?
Whats the DPS and range of a Viziam ScR.

This is a complete lie, you have to be well inside HMG range to even hope to get a multiple direct hits with the MD. Freedom's splash is not only meh when you factor in Heavy resistances + shielding, it is shaky outside of 40 meters. Assault MD splash is next to useless against a heavy, 8 times out of 10, you might as well conserve your ammunition.

So dealing 600 dmg from 40 meters is fine?

I never mentioned the Assault MD that thing really is terrible against heavies, it does have enough DPS because it focus on Splaah Radius as it's main perk.

As for telling me that killing Heavies with a Mass Driver is a complete lie, is a lie, I do it regularly. You use a flux grenade to take the shields first and then the armour crumbles under the explosove damage profile. Even with all the resistamces under the sun.

From what I can tell Direct Hits againsts heavies don't recieve the 25% splash damage reduction, pair this with fire rate allowing you to duck in and out of cover, the Huge Damage of the Breach Mass Driver, the insanely powerful damage profile, additional armour damage from Profciency skill and damage mods the Heavy will, practically melt, however that doesn't mean you can jist walk upto him without cover and try this he still has a 900DPS HMG. But direct hits screw up the damage indicator, which paired with his tacnet blindness, makes him easy prey.

Every single one of those tactics works I have used them successfully within the last couple of weeks to remove a heavy from an advantageous position.

Lets see, 6 shots, out of them you'd be lucky that 1 direct hits (as you're popping in and out of cover, you don't have time to aim)

So, Freedom Mass driver- DPS of 330

160 splash damage, and 330 direct hit.

Now, it fires one round/second

So, 6 seconds total to take out one unit. Keep that in mind. Now, lets say that this is a proto amarr sentinel (we have a proto mass driver, fair is fair)

Lets say he runs one rep per and 3x complex plates (pretty standard fit post Charlie).

Lets assume he can't rep in between shots for sake of argument.

Also, lets assume that you managed to flux him first (fair argument, if you're running a MD)

So--1195 armor

6 splash=160*6=960 damage*.75*1.2=864 damage over 6 seconds min from full damage splashes and the entire clip.

5 splash 1 direct=1130 damage*.75*1.2=1017 damage over 6 seconds min with a reasonable amount of direct hits.

4 splash 2 direct=1300 damage*.75*1.2=1170 damage over 6 seconds min with a highly skilled users amount of direct hits.

3 splash 3 direct=1470 damage*.75*1.2=1323 damage over 6 seconds min with an unreasonable amount of direct hits, or enough to kill him.

Note^^ all this was done assuming that he was already fluxed, and that you don't miss a single shot, with a proto MD.

Now, to score the 3 direct shots necessary to kill him, you would have needed to be out of cover for long enough for the heavy to kill you with his 900+ DPS lolHMG.

Now, while it is possible to reload and continue chipping away at the heavy's health, its not reasonable, because by that time, a fine rifle user would have killed you from behind, or a SG scout would have finished you while you were distracted.