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TritusX PH4NT0M5 0	Posted - 2014.08.01 12:33:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Minnie Scout Minnie LogiBro Amarrian Sentinel See you guys in the battlefield o7
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2082	Posted - 2014.08.01 14:49:00 - [2] - Quote TritusX wrote: Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always. Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me. The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well. My normal knife fit looks like this: Scout M/1 Assault CR ZN knives Flux grenade 2 x complex dampeners 2 x complex precision enhancer Complex shield extender Advanced cloak Standard remote explosives Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP. I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional. The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies). Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out. o7 Knowledge is power
TritusX PH4NT0M5 1	Posted - 2014.08.01 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote Brokerib wrote: TritusX wrote: Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always. Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me. The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well. My normal knife fit looks like this: Scout M/1 Assault CR ZN knives Flux grenade 2 x complex dampeners 2 x complex precision enhancer Complex shield extender Advanced cloak Standard remote explosives Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP. I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional. The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies). Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out. o7 What I see here already is a minimum 1m SP investment. I only have 1m sp total and that already went into my CR and Knives. Would it be a be a better idea to use ADV damps first and get everything to ADV, or should I go full proto on the damps? EDIT: I just made your fit on protofits Brokerib and it was hard to fit. I also used their skill tree only to find out that by minimum standards I would need at least 3m sp . Looks like this is going to take a long time. Minnie Scout Minnie LogiBro Amarrian Sentinel See you guys in the battlefield o7
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2014.08.01 15:41:00 - [4] - Quote Personally I would run shield extenders in the high slots since you will already passively scan all nonscouts but still won't be able to scan dampened scouts if you run two precision enhancers. I woudl recommend using one dampener and one kinetic catalyser in your low slots. Cloaks are very very useful but also very difficult to fit cpu/pg wise unless you skill into level 5 of your scout of choice. Also, as brokerib said remote explosives are very handy.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 922	Posted - 2014.08.01 16:17:00 - [5] - Quote In general, before anything else, its smarter but less fun to put your points into the Big 4 core skills first. They benefit you no matter what suit you wear. If scouting is your goal, I would invest in all profile skills first. It's an important feature to have no matter what your role. It's especially important as a scout yourself. Personally, I dislike the cloak. I find myself so distracted with the timer and the sound dampening that I run significantly better without the cloak. The other thing I can say is to be patient. There are a lot of really good scouts that have learned how to flank/ambush effectively but it took a lot of deaths to get there. My knife kills are pretty infrequent. I end up getting more kills with my sidearm than I do with the knives. Start out finding that one guy all alone. Whether he's solo hacking or is the lone sheep away from the herd or even that sniper you can see that didn't notice you. Those are your guys. After you run the suit more and more, you'll feel more confident with trying braver things. Yes, you will die. A lot. But its part of learning. Eventually you'll hit that sweet spot. Lastly, run away often. I know you want that kill, but the best scouts out there are ones that attack you but have an exit in mind. It took me a very long time to learn this. When I sneak on an enemy and miss, I have a plan to either drop off the ledge to my left, or jump the stairs, or duck behind cover long enough to out run his deadly zone. I'll re-engage him later, on my terms. Learn this. Learn this well. Lastly, join the Learning Coalition chat channel. The channel is dedicated to helping new players (answering questions, squadding, mentoring, etc) Last I was in there, there were a few members from a corporation (forgot the name) but they do nothing but scouting and knifing. Express your interest and they're likely to take you under their wing and show you the ropes. Knights of Ender Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2088	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:28:00 - [6] - Quote TritusX wrote: Brokerib wrote: TritusX wrote: Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always. Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me. The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well. My normal knife fit looks like this: Scout M/1 Assault CR ZN knives Flux grenade 2 x complex dampeners 2 x complex precision enhancer Complex shield extender Advanced cloak Standard remote explosives Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP. I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional. The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies). Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out. o7 What I see here already is a minimum 1m SP investment. I only have 1m sp total and that already went into my CR and Knives. Would it be a be a better idea to use ADV damps first and get everything to ADV, or should I go full proto on the damps? EDIT: I just made your fit on protofits Brokerib and it was hard to fit. I also used their skill tree only to find out that by minimum standards I would need at least 3m sp . Looks like this is going to take a long time. Unfortunately scouting, and knifing in particular, are very SP intensive. Dampening is more important than any of the others. Range only really shines at proto, and you'll find limited use for precision until you have range. More than likely the reason you're getting spotted so much is because you're showing up on passive scans, so you should see an improvement fairly rapidly. The cloak can aid with that from the advanced level (5% increase to dampening), but isn't a substitute. Advanced damps are a good start, and after that I'd start looking into core skills (engineering, electronics, shield and armor) to advanced as well. They'll make every suit you use, regardless of class, significantly better. Biotics are also quite important to the Minmatar scout, though you'll need to invest to proto to see much of a difference. Don't worry about cardiac regulators too much, your stamina recharge is high enough to not need them in most instances. The straight increase from the biotics skill and kin cats are more effective. Have a look at this for some general advice on scout fits. A primer to the Scouterly arts Knowledge is power
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3069	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote I would echo what Lee and Broker have said. Damps first and foremost. Dropsuit core upgrades. Are a must. Especially Engineering. I would wait awhile on the cloak. You are going to die a lot. I would also suggest putting some SP into uplinks and starting off a match running around the far edges of the map, using cover placing them relatively close to objectives. You would be surprised how much WP that alone will get you, and you will increase your SP that way as well, while you skill into killing suits. If you want to stick with knifing, I suggest using your current undampened self to your advantage. Learn to hide around corners and come out swinging. It won't matter if they know you are there, because they will chase after you thinking you are easy pickings and won't have time to react. I still get many kills this way around stairwells, doorways and corners. Someone thinks they have you and gives chase, then finds a knife in their mug. Also, definitely stop by the Barbershop like Broker said. We may get off topic a lot, and come off crass, but we like helping new scouts who are dedicated to the craft. This is how a minja feels
TritusX PH4NT0M5 2	Posted - 2014.08.02 16:06:00 - [8] - Quote Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall? Minnie Scout Minnie LogiBro Amarrian Sentinel See you guys in the battlefield o7
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3075	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:09:00 - [9] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall? He probably has his core skills maxed. Look for the channel Scouts United in game. There are lots of people in there to squad with. Beware, some people are nicer than others, and some people are not even scouts, but for the most part it is a good start for finding scouts to run with. If you see people like Gav, Aria, Shotty, Appia, or Jace looking to pick up people in your squad they are safe bets. I am sure there are others that I am leaving off, but it is a start. This is how a minja feels
Zindorak 1.U.P 226	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:39:00 - [10] - Quote I would get rid of the CR and put NK on main weapon and SMG as Sidearm just so its easier to switch to Nk after cloak. Works better 4 me anyway Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3

Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2094	Posted - 2014.08.03 00:58:00 - [11] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall? Yep, I've got core upgrades, engineering and electronics to 4, as well as a couple of other skills to reduce the fitting costs of my weapons. Even with that, went and check my fit last night and it's actually an Enhanced Shield extender, not a Complex one. So even with 24Mil SP I can't fit what I said... Keep up the knifing, sounds like you're getting the right idea. I've never moved up from being a knifer of opporunity (hackers, stationary targets, snipers, etc), so most of my kills are with the CR as well. Proper knife slayers are few and far between. Not sure how much experience you have with uplinks, but once you've got your other skills sorted, it pays to get uplinks up to at least level 3, preferably level 4. Trick with them is you can drop a number of different uplink models at once (so you could have two R-9 uplinks, a stable drop uplink, and a standard drop uplink) all active at the same time. You just need to setup a suit fit for each one and rotate through each suit. Can easily pull in over 1000 WP a match if you've got an active team and you're the only one dropping uplinks. And as King said, hit up scouts united in game and ask if there's a knife squad going, there's normally someone around who's looking to do some close work. Knowledge is power
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 466	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:32:00 - [12] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Keep up the knifing, sounds like you're getting the right idea. I've never moved up from being a knifer of opporunity (hackers, stationary targets, snipers, etc), so most of my kills are with the CR as well. Proper knife slayers are few and far between. You MUST, at least once before DUST dies, experience the thrill of knifing a heavy in the face, knowing he sees you the whole time, and coming out of it alive. Sometimes it's the raptor leap, sometimes it's knowing he's just around the corner, facing where I'm going to come at him from, having no time to flank all the way around the building. So I'll throw a remote, knowing he can see it. With him aiming at where I threw the remote, right after I hear the detonation of his shooting it, I'll rush him. Or sometimes, I'm out of remotes and I have to rush in behind a flux or just dive into the attack 'raw'. And I just know they're furious afterward. Have you have had a knifer run at you slashing? I've been knifed by Parkour Practitioner and mollerz - it's terrifying. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 467	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:25:00 - [13] - Quote TritusX wrote: What I see here already is a minimum 1m SP investment. I only have 1m sp total and that already went into my CR and Knives. Would it be a be a better idea to use ADV damps first and get everything to ADV, or should I go full proto on the damps? EDIT: I just made your fit on protofits Brokerib and it was hard to fit. I also used their skill tree only to find out that by minimum standards I would need at least 3m sp . Looks like this is going to take a long time. Scout M-1 Assault Scrambler Pistol (lol backpedal speed getting you down? shoot 'em in the face with this once or twice!) Ishukone Nova Knives Basic Flux Grenade Stable Drop Uplink (Uplinks lvl 2) Basic Remote Explosive (Explosives 3, Demolitions 1) Militia or Federation Basic KinCat (I'm using militia) Militia PG upgrade Enhanced Sidearm Damage Mod (mandatory if you aren't using the Ishukone knives - special sauce if you are!) Advanced Precision Enhancer (lol at undamped scouts - I see you, prick!) I was running shield extenders with a PG and CPU mod... but the extra few shield hp didn't affect the price of tea in Caldari Prime, so I said screw it. Be faster, be more lethal. When you're running STD or ADV knives, you might run the RS-90 or something else as your sidearm (the knives are, of course, your primary weapon. It's not survivability we're looking at, it's speed and lethality. You'll lose suits, but they'll be relatively cheap compared to most of our alternatives as Minjas. When you get to ADV scout suits your fitting options open up quite a bit. Scout M/1-Series BK-42 IshNoks Enh Sidearm Damage mod Shield Extenders in the other two highs 2x Complex Damp F/45 REs R-9 uplinks Basic Flux Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
mollerz 4651	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:38:00 - [14] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Have you have had a knifer run at you slashing? I've been knifed by Parkour Practitioner and mollerz - it's terrifying. If I remember correctly you slashed me up! Everyone is giving great advice, but I just wanted to add a couple more fitting choices. Flux nades- The flash bang of dust. They have a very wide AOF, and they vaporize shields on anything in it's wake. You can really time this so you are as close to the bubble (don't self flux!) and are on top of people with only armor left. Also the basic flux nade is super easy to fit with 9CPU/2PG (gotta get explosives skill to level 5 for squeezing out all the CPU savings). Oh yea, and most important- you can use them to clear objectives of explosives, and wipe out enemy equipment in general. compact nano hives- Again, easy to fit and heals armor. 10CPU/2PG (I believe the nanhive skill also saves cPU but it's not labeled) You won't have ** for armor, but this bad boy will heal it up quick and supply you with more flux nades/ammo. It helps to have your own ammo supply when operating away from resources. Also, in a pinch, you can help team mates. GN-20 Flaylock- A **** weapon to be sure, but again- requirements are gentle. low CPU and 0 PG <- 0 PG means you will be able to fit it when nothing else will because you have no PG left (you need engineering lv 5- prepare for grind). Flaylocks are good to kill people you almost killed knifing but are getting away. you can also shock and awes people to get space between you. Prepare for bad hit detection tho. Again, you can use this to clear objectives. All of the above is relatively easy to obtain, and will expand your fitting options in the early stages. Also, try running knives in your L slot and running a sidearm in the S slot. You might find you start doing a lot better with knives ;) Oh and one last thing, go IshNoks or go home. Zns are really for when your skills are 100% there. Dingle Dust Berry.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 470	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:31:00 - [15] - Quote mollerz wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: Have you have had a knifer run at you slashing? I've been knifed by Parkour Practitioner and mollerz - it's terrifying. If I remember correctly you slashed me up! You got me back at the end when I was trying to hack Delta back though :) mollerz wrote: Also, try running knives in your L slot and running a sidearm in the S slot. You might find you start doing a lot better with knives ;) Oh and one last thing, go IshNoks or go home. Zns are really for when your skills are 100% there. Seconding this - when you commit to the knives and Embrace the Death, it'll help you. Did not know about the 0 PG flaylock... I'll have to look into learning to use those myself Also, the ZN's are okay imo - much better than basic knives... but I'd avoid heavies until you have the Ishukone knives. After Hotfix Charlie, ZN's will be better, but for now, with non-proto knives I'd say your engagement envelope just doesn't include non-militia heavy suits unless you're highly skilled and comfortable as a player with the knives. Gods I love nova knives Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
TritusX PH4NT0M5 4	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:33:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc. Minnie Scout Minnie LogiBro Amarrian Sentinel See you guys in the battlefield o7
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3114	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:51:00 - [17] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc. Damps first, then REs. Just try and avoid heavies, or if you are feeling suicidal flux then attack. REs are fun, but many heavies are smart enough now to recognize them, so they are far from a fail safe, but are definitely worth putting SP into. This is how a minja feels
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2100	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:33:00 - [18] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Brokerib wrote: Keep up the knifing, sounds like you're getting the right idea. I've never moved up from being a knifer of opporunity (hackers, stationary targets, snipers, etc), so most of my kills are with the CR as well. Proper knife slayers are few and far between. You MUST, at least once before DUST dies, experience the thrill of knifing a heavy in the face, knowing he sees you the whole time, and coming out of it alive. Sometimes it's the raptor leap, sometimes it's knowing he's just around the corner, facing where I'm going to come at him from, having no time to flank all the way around the building. So I'll throw a remote, knowing he can see it. With him aiming at where I threw the remote, right after I hear the detonation of his shooting it, I'll rush him. Or sometimes, I'm out of remotes and I have to rush in behind a flux or just dive into the attack 'raw'. And I just know they're furious afterward. Have you have had a knifer run at you slashing? I've been knifed by Parkour Practitioner and mollerz - it's terrifying. I've had a couple of good kills and love watching fat-suits panic, but I'm far too inconsistent to rely on it as a primary. And now that the Oceanic servers have closed down, I can never be completely sure that what I see is what's actually happening. Much like the REs, I use them as a weapon of opportunity when I know I've got an advantage, or use them as the jaws of the trap...or when I've run out of other options and just want to go down slashing Knowledge is power
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2100	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc. Damps first, then REs. Just try and avoid heavies, or if you are feeling suicidal flux then attack. REs are fun, but many heavies are smart enough now to recognize them, so they are far from a fail safe, but are definitely worth putting SP into. I'd recommend advanced Damps then basic REs. The SP investment is really quite small, and 1250 damage is nothing to be sneezed at. That said, their fitting requirements are quite high. Complements really well with the knives though. Knowledge is power
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.12 02:02:00 - [20] - Quote Tough question... It comes at a tough time as the class role for ninja is assassin and the assassination strike(ninja melee) was removed in 1.7... Most people suggest falling back to minjas secondary weapon, the nova knife, or supplementing with REs, but since 1.7 plenty of crying heavies have gotten remote explosives nerfed to the point of being laughable, and our pistol has had the damage, blast radius, and clip size cut down as well so pistol assassinations are a no... Basically if you're looking to play tenchu style in new eden you're real real late... If you want to sneak up behind someone drop a remote hit them knife them set off your remote and blast a full clip from your pistol in a vain attempt to finish the enemy off while their 5 squaddies who spotted you track you down, then welcome to new eden. Better scan radius than other suits allows you to watch them corner you from the convenience of your minimap while the worst scan profile of any scouts(since the minja dampening bonus was removed) ensures that the enemy doesn't have to "hunt" to track you down and box you in. About a couple other suggestions, remember that fluxing remote explosives is FRIENDLY FIRE IN HI SEC please don't team kill especially since many ninja were forced to become hackers by a trash role bonus(we got hand-me-downed the minnlogi hacker bonus to become 2nd fastest hacker after gallogi but not better than minnlogi or galscout) If using flaylock remember that the projectile is super slow and the blast radius is intentionally broken on this weapon. Expect it to whiff 9/10 perfect shots. Remotes aren't supposed to be the finisher for when knives don't work... Knives are for when melee doesn't work. THAT SAID, DONT LEVEL UP HAND TO HAND FOR MINJA ANYMORE the assassin blow that was for knocking down that heavy that's ruining everyone's day? Its not there, you can stab to try and finish them off but the rate of fire for the hmg... Most times just don't punch. I hope CCP fixes the minja soon. Came for an RPG, leveled into a class... All my SP is used up where did the class I leveled into go? Where did the RPG I bought go?

Zindorak 1.U.P 592	Posted - 2014.08.12 05:19:00 - [21] - Quote Here Standard http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Advanced http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Prototype http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Thats what i would use. You could go with the Six Kin ACR but once you out of ammo your screwed. The Boundless is a little more ammo conservative. Cardiac regs for running and you will be running a lot. The Minja is gonna get a PG increase so fitting a proto cloak may be easier. Codebreakers for swift hacking. If you have problems getting knives out you could take the CR out move knives to primary and add SMG for sidearm. Almost as good. Sheild for tanking thats about it enjoy Pokemon master
Greiv Rabbah KiLo. 15	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:35:00 - [22] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Here Standard http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Advanced http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Prototype http://www.protofits.com/fittings/index/0/0 Thats what i would use. You could go with the Six Kin ACR but once you out of ammo your screwed. The Boundless is a little more ammo conservative. Cardiac regs for running and you will be running a lot. The Minja is gonna get a PG increase so fitting a of proto cloak may be easier. Codebreakers for swift hacking. If you have problems getting knives out you could take the CR out move knives to primary and add SMG for sidearm. Almost as good. Sheild for tanking thats about it enjoy As an alternative to shield tanking you could try putting damage mods on your highs, but crying got those broken in half(literally!) Nova knives + SMG isn't a real minja, its a coping mechanism... Also recommended here is codebreakers for "swift hacking" let me clarify that we lose our assassin strike for this dog food garbage hand-me-down bonus for a class role that isn't even our own,so "swift hacking" here means that we permanently have a low slot locked into a codebreaker(25% bonus) which is literally the most useless stat to have forced on us when first place its a logi job, second place WE TRADED EITHER 25% PROFILE DAMP OR 25% MELEE DMG FOR THIS & its still not a scout job! The minja is consistently matched or outdone by others for hacking speed, so when the melee is offensively needed and the damps are defensively needed, it would be clearly insane for any player to want a codebreaker tied to a non customizable low slot.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 7	Posted - 2014.08.20 17:59:00 - [23] - Quote Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ----> Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this) Minmatar Scout and never changing.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3458	Posted - 2014.08.20 20:08:00 - [24] - Quote TritusX wrote: Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ----> Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this) First, try out a flux grenade. Even standard ones can do some major shield damage, and they have a large splash area (even through walls for pesky uplinks). And if you can fit a Locus I believe you already have the skills needed for Flux. If you have Engineering and Electronics at 2, I would skill those up to at least 4 before you start looking elsewhere. Those are super important. For fitting a cloak, you need to get your minja up to lvl 4 at least to be able to fit one and still be viable. So long as you maxed your Dampening first. Do you have uplinks skilled yet? I doubt you are running out of ammo (I rarely ever do, especially with knives), and you can get boatloads of WP and SP by simply placing a few strategically located uplinks. Even if it is just 1 lvl, though at lvl 3 you can get Uplinks that allow 2 active at the same time. tl;dr Given what you have said, in my opinion, your priorities should be Engineering and Electronics. After that you can start thinking about leveling your minja to 4 at least, possibly uplinks, and that lvl 3 CR you talked about is a good idea too. The longer you delay a cloak, and continue learning where cover is and how to get around in cover, the more effective you will be when you do finally get a cloak. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TritusX PH4NT0M5 8	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:24:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ----> Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this) First, try out a flux grenade. Even standard ones can do some major shield damage, and they have a large splash area (even through walls for pesky uplinks). And if you can fit a Locus I believe you already have the skills needed for Flux. If you have Engineering and Electronics at 2, I would skill those up to at least 4 before you start looking elsewhere. Those are super important. For fitting a cloak, you need to get your minja up to lvl 4 at least to be able to fit one and still be viable. So long as you maxed your Dampening first. Do you have uplinks skilled yet? I doubt you are running out of ammo (I rarely ever do, especially with knives), and you can get boatloads of WP and SP by simply placing a few strategically located uplinks. Even if it is just 1 lvl, though at lvl 3 you can get Uplinks that allow 2 active at the same time. tl;dr Given what you have said, in my opinion, your priorities should be Engineering and Electronics. After that you can start thinking about leveling your minja to 4 at least, possibly uplinks, and that lvl 3 CR you talked about is a good idea too. The longer you delay a cloak, and continue learning where cover is and how to get around in cover, the more effective you will be when you do finally get a cloak. I was using flux berfore, and I find it harder to take down their shields and come in. It kind of takes away my stealth factor. The only reason I use fluxes is to clear a room full of equipment (like gal research facility supply depot room). Locuses deal killing power (meh), so if there is a group of enemies that I can't RE then i just throw a locus. My engineering and electronics ATM suffice, but I am wondering if I should skill up the suit for more cpu/pg or skill up electronics and engineering to make my STD suit better. Cloak is now not in my to-do list for now. I do not have uplinks skilled but I do have a MLT DU fit (terrible b/c cpu and pg) which reaps WP. Effective if I'm not killing well (this happens way too often) So what I think I'm going to do now is this in the following order ----> Skill CR to 3 Skill Elec. and Eng. to 3 Skill Min Scout to 4 Skill Dampening to 5 Skill NK to 5 Skill Range Amp and Prof Enh. to 3 each Skill RE to 3 and thats it for now Minmatar Scout and never changing.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3468	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:41:00 - [26] - Quote Between leveling up you scout or leveling up your Eng/Elec it comes down to whether you would use the advanced suit or not. I could be wrong, but I don't think leveling up the suit alone will increase CPU/PG across all tiers. That being said, if you can afford to run an Advanced suit, that will definitely get you more CPU and PG. If you are running about even isk wise with your standard suit, leveling up your Eng/Elec will increase fitting capacity for all suits at all levels. That way you will be able to run a standard minja with greater fitting capacity. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Zindorak 1.U.P 651	Posted - 2014.08.21 02:31:00 - [27] - Quote you should get a cloak they make NK's more dangerous on the battlefield Pokemon master
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 239	Posted - 2014.08.21 10:59:00 - [28] - Quote Apart from my drop link assault rifle std scout the rest of my fits have gravitated to ADV as they seem to be best bang for buck. 1) More PG/CPU means more good things... And Kin Cats are thirsty. 2) Not stupidly expensive like proto My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect 198	Posted - 2014.08.22 02:28:00 - [29] - Quote Here's my current primary knifing fit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/6986 With this setup I can often get 20+ kills in a good game with only 2 or 3 deaths. The key is to pick your battles by flanking around the main group (in Ambush) and always try to have the cloak enabled when engaging a target. The cloak is mainly to minimise the risk of other enemies seeing you when going for the strike, as the target shouldn't even know your position if you've sneaked behind them correctly. With only one complex dampener, EWAR can be a bit lacking, but this is made up for by kincats - if it seems like another scout can see you on TACNET then just run away. The main targets are mediums and heavies anyway. Also, I prefer shields to damage mods as the extra hp allows longer and more successful survival when harassing tricky enemies. My Nova Knife proficiency is only lvl 3 as well and yet I can still kill a lot of heavies in one charged swipe; I've never fought an enemy that requires more than 2 charged attacks as well.
xavier zor King and Queens Peacekeepers of High-Sec 26	Posted - 2014.09.02 02:47:00 - [30] - Quote Don't get Prototype knives...they will use to much PGU/CP on your dropsuit. Skill into assault sub machine guns and the ARN-18 Cloak field. Also get rid of the shield extenders/armour plates. In my opinion if your not dead your alive, ever half alive. Use scout fits and dampeners. Also remote explosives are good for when an emeny is chasing you down....drop one by the corner then blow him up! I recommend using scout series suit (caldari) 1 ARN cloakfield 3 Complex Dampeners 1 ZN-28 Nova Knives 1 Sub Machine gun (At least) With this fit you cannot be scanned and no one can see you....also if you kill enough into scout suits with regards to CPU/PG output you can fit more advanced equipment on there. Just search up in youtube Winmitar Assassin dust 514 by 'Cyrus Li Moody'. In the description he shows exactly what fit he is using Tactical Assault Rifle's for life

TritusX PH4NT0M5 16	Posted - 2014.09.02 19:55:00 - [31] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Don't get Prototype knives...they will use to much PGU/CP on your dropsuit. Skill into assault sub machine guns and the ARN-18 Cloak field. Also get rid of the shield extenders/armour plates. In my opinion if your not dead your alive, ever half alive. Use scout fits and dampeners. Also remote explosives are good for when an enemy is chasing you down....drop one by the corner then blow him up! I recommend using scout series suit (caldari) 1 ARN cloakfield 2 Complex Dampeners and a Cardiac RegulatorOR 3 Dampeners 1 ZN-28 Nova Knives 1 Sub Machine gun (At least) With this fit you cannot be scanned and no one can see you....also if you kill enough into scout suits with regards to CPU/PG output you can fit more advanced equipment on there. Just search up in youtube Winmitar Assassin dust 514 by 'Cyrus Li Moody'. In the description he shows exactly what fit he is using Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile. Scout 514 forever
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1111	Posted - 2014.09.14 02:32:00 - [32] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile. ADV huh? M/1-Series Scout ZN's Scrambler Pistol, preferably assault Sidearm damage mod Shield extenders Best damps you have Flux (only if you can fit it, it's expendable) RE Stable uplink (for free warpoints) or compact nanohive (only takes level 2) or more REs maybe, or anything. Get 2 complex damps, need for cloak is arguable (I don't use cloak). Upgrade to Ishukone knives asap. It IS worth it. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 26	Posted - 2014.09.20 03:57:00 - [33] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: TritusX wrote: Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile. ADV huh? M/1-Series Scout ZN's Scrambler Pistol, preferably assault Sidearm damage mod Shield extenders Best damps you have Flux (only if you can fit it, it's expendable) RE Stable uplink (for free warpoints) or compact nanohive (only takes level 2) or more REs maybe, or anything. Get 2 complex damps, need for cloak is arguable (I don't use cloak). Upgrade to Ishukone knives asap. It IS worth it. What I use M/1-Series Scout ZN's or BK-42 or RS-90 M15A2-Submachine Gun or ZN-28 Sidearm damage mod or Extenders Shield extenders Enh. Damp x2 No nade b/c BK and Submachine Gun RE Cloak or DU It's going to take awhile..... Scout 514 forever
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4518	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:15:00 - [34] - Quote TritusX wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: TritusX wrote: Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile. ADV huh? M/1-Series Scout ZN's Scrambler Pistol, preferably assault Sidearm damage mod Shield extenders Best damps you have Flux (only if you can fit it, it's expendable) RE Stable uplink (for free warpoints) or compact nanohive (only takes level 2) or more REs maybe, or anything. Get 2 complex damps, need for cloak is arguable (I don't use cloak). Upgrade to Ishukone knives asap. It IS worth it. What I use M/1-Series Scout ZN's or BK-42 or RS-90 M15A2-Submachine Gun or ZN-28 Sidearm damage mod or Extenders Shield extenders Enh. Damp x2 No nade b/c BK and Submachine Gun RE Cloak or DU It's going to take awhile..... It will take a lot of time You got some top notch Knifers giving you adviceGÇª not much that I can think of to add. Fitting will be your biggest challenge really. I have Engineering, Electronics and Core at 5 also Sidearm at 5, Explosives at 4 waiting on Optimization on NKs to hitGÇª. Things still get tight. And I am a big fan of the NK/Flaylock combo. One thing that i found hoped with learning to Knife was put the Knives in your light slot, it makes switching much easier. Also if nobody mentioned it Raptor JumpGÇª jump - charge - Kill as you come downGÇª Not easy but worth learning. KRRROOOOOOM
Artificer Ghost Legio DXIV 1328	Posted - 2014.09.21 13:59:00 - [35] - Quote Note: Didn't read full post. Not a ton of time to do so. :P I dunno about anyone else here, but I personally work towards dampening the SHT out of my frame. I use bonuses from the Caldari Scout to scan everything, and focus what little Lows I have on Profile Dampeners. (Warning, full proto suit ahead). -Caldari Scout Ck.0 -Kaalakiota Magsec SMG -'Fleshriver' Ishukone Nova Knives (The ones I got from the Scout event that was forever ago) -No Grenade -Compact Nanohive (To make up for lack of Armor) -Complex Profile Dampener -Enhanced Profile Dampener -3x Complex Shield Extenders Downgrade it as you please. I have a basic and advanced version of the frame, but this is what I use in most pubbies because I'm a scrub. The reason I'm able to pull off no Scan modules + Master Scout Hunter is because of the Caldari bonus mixed with my Level 5 in all Scanning Skills. I can see them from a mile away, and they rarely see me. I think in the past 2 weeks since I've been active, I've only had a challenging Scout once or twice. I also never get scanned. Ever. Active scanners just kind of act as a reminder that I'm running a Scout. :\| But this is end-game stuff, and it'll take a year or two to do. Just letting you know what I run. TL;DR Max Scanning Skills = No need for Scanning Modules. ~Artificer, Certified Scrub, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition* 'Oh, look at that! -knife- Morons! My favorite! :D'
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 240	Posted - 2014.10.01 19:38:00 - [36] - Quote I have been meaning to share this fit for a while: Adv Minmatar scout, Knives I am very proud of this fit. It is one of the most successful fits I have made for it's cost (about 50k isk). Effective in pub matches even against serious proto-using pubstompers. It's not clever or radical, but it does work. Be aware though that I have max core skills. Although some mods or the rifle could be downgraded for fitting space. I also have max EWAR skills, dampening and precision are evident from the fit, but I also have max range extension which is extremely useful. I'm someone that really favours speed, hence the KinCat. One dampener tends to be enough in pubs and dampens you from unmodded Gal scouts (quite a common threat). The precision mod is partly there because of PG restrictions, however it can be very useful for scanning undampened scouts. The remotes are useful in some situations, even giving you a reasonably decent anti-tank option. Going for advanced REs makes tank killing much easier and makes it very unlikely a heavy will survive a blast. Before the recent team balancing improvements I used this suit in an ambush OMS match against a full squad of proto stompers including 13ear (one of the top players K/D wise). I got 3 times more kills than anyone on my team, destroyed a madruger and got more kills than 13ear (20 vs 18), exclusively using this fit, died 5 times. Our team still got stomped obviously but it was glorious. (sorry for bragging).
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 240	Posted - 2014.10.01 20:29:00 - [37] - Quote Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minja Try that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.)
TritusX PH4NT0M5 29	Posted - 2014.10.04 17:00:00 - [38] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minja Try that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.) This thread will never get old until my K/D ratio is over 1 My current fits (and skills mind you) look something like this----> http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1419/8202 So what do? Scout 514 forever
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 244	Posted - 2014.10.04 22:20:00 - [39] - Quote TritusX wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minja Try that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.) This thread will never get old until my K/D ratio is over 1 My current fits (and skills mind you) look something like this----> http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1419/8202 So what do? Not a bad fit, though I would swap the armor rep for one of the following: Kinetc catalyser (honestly, it's a lot of sp but they are much better than they sound, this would be the best option in my opinion, but they take a lot of pg). Reactive plate, great scout tank option Ferroscale plate, Range amp, also great on scouts (and logis) More damps, make sure you don't get scanned. You don't need armor reps with such low armor compared to shield. I like your equipment selection but you could swap for a cloak. Despite what some people say they are good if you learn to use them well (remember people can still see you and will notice you if you stay in line of sight for too long). Advanced cloaks might be what you need though, standard can be quite tricky. This causes fitting issues, though your current equipment is quite resource intensive anyway. Having said this, you can knife without a cloak, many of us did this before1.8 and it will probably make you a better scout for doing it. Losing the uplink and remotes would be a shame.
TritusX PH4NT0M5 32	Posted - 2014.10.04 23:41:00 - [40] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: TritusX wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minja Try that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.) This thread will never get old until my K/D ratio is over 1 My current fits (and skills mind you) look something like this----> http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1419/8202 So what do? Not a bad fit, though I would swap the armor rep for one of the following: Kinetc catalyser (honestly, it's a lot of sp but they are much better than they sound, this would be the best option in my opinion, but they take a lot of pg). Reactive plate, great scout tank option Ferroscale plate, Range amp, also great on scouts (and logis) More damps, make sure you don't get scanned. You don't need armor reps with such low armor compared to shield. I like your equipment selection but you could swap for a cloak. Despite what some people say they are good if you learn to use them well (remember people can still see you and will notice you if you stay in line of sight for too long). Advanced cloaks might be what you need though, standard can be quite tricky. This causes fitting issues, though your current equipment is quite resource intensive anyway. Having said this, you can knife without a cloak, many of us did this before1.8 and it will probably make you a better scout for doing it. Losing the uplink and remotes would be a shame. I like the rep because I don't want to walk around waiting to be one shotted by a ScR. (even though I'm dead anyway) I usually put another damp on it, so thats done with I use to run cloaks, but I found it very useless. If you use the cloak ATM for me, (look at the skills i filled out in the fitting) my chevron still shows up, so I'm dead. Rather flank the long way then be killed repeatedly under a cloak. Scout 514 forever

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4627	Posted - 2014.10.05 16:14:00 - [41] - Quote I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished. I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks. I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields. Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TritusX PH4NT0M5 33	Posted - 2014.10.06 23:57:00 - [42] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished. I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks. I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields. Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. There is something about having to skill into nanohives that bothers me. Is there by any chance a nanohive that replenishes both ammo and armor? (havent stumbled on this as a logi yet) Uplinks I use to farm, mainly DU, MLT DU, STBL DU. Heard about that CR sharpshooter :) Gonna work on this for awhile. Playing on a heavy alt really lets me let go of my stress but unleashing killing power, but then I tend to try to do the same with this scout suit :/ bad idea Scout 514 forever
hfderrtgvcd 671	Posted - 2014.10.07 00:04:00 - [43] - Quote TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished. I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks. I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields. Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. There is something about having to skill into nanohives that bothers me. Is there by any chance a nanohive that replenishes both ammo and armor? (havent stumbled on this as a logi yet) Uplinks I use to farm, mainly DU, MLT DU, STBL DU. Heard about that CR sharpshooter :) Gonna work on this for awhile. Playing on a heavy alt really lets me let go of my stress but unleashing killing power, but then I tend to try to do the same with this scout suit :/ bad idea The compact nanohive gives armor and ammo. It also only requires nanocircuitry to level 2 and has a really low fitting cost. Only 10 cpu and 2 pg if I recall correctly. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 705	Posted - 2014.10.07 18:20:00 - [44] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished. I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks. I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields. Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. There is something about having to skill into nanohives that bothers me. Is there by any chance a nanohive that replenishes both ammo and armor? (havent stumbled on this as a logi yet) Uplinks I use to farm, mainly DU, MLT DU, STBL DU. Heard about that CR sharpshooter :) Gonna work on this for awhile. Playing on a heavy alt really lets me let go of my stress but unleashing killing power, but then I tend to try to do the same with this scout suit :/ bad idea The compact nanohive gives armor and ammo. It also only requires nanocircuitry to level 2 and has a really low fitting cost. Only 10 cpu and 2 pg if I recall correctly. Don't remember the exact fitting off the top of my head either but yes, Compact Nanohives give you ammo and armor very quickly. Downsides are a small area of resupply, and you only get 1 (1 active, 1 carried). Level 4 gives you K/17D(R) (that R means it can repair as well) which is better than the compact in some ways. While the compact gives you reps and ammo faster, the K/17D gives you more overall meaning it lasts longer. On top of that, you can carry 2 and have 2 active. Level 5 opens up the widest variety of nanohives, the Allotek (R) being your armor/ammo hive. Allotek's give you faster rep and ammo rate and an additional nanohive to carry bringing the count to 2 active, 3 carried. Finally, there's the special Wiyrkomi nanohive that does just armor repair. Not sure if you're considering those types, but they are out there. Nanocircuitry skill still gives it's 5% bonus to CPU reduction which can help with fitting for future reference. They took out the flavor text for that with the intention of removing that bonus, but never actually did. While many old vets know about this, it's somewhat of a hidden skill to new players and/or the untrained eye. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
TritusX PH4NT0M5 34	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:35:00 - [45] - Quote Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm finding that NK is really hard. I'm seeing left and right people doing random 180's to spot guys that are running cloak and shotty following behind them.... It's hard to be sneaky when they can see you.... Never got a proto guy with my NK's. Only ADV. Everything else I used my SMG. So hard to do anything in this game. Scout 514 forever
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4797	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:48:00 - [46] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm finding that NK is really hard. I'm seeing left and right people doing random 180's to spot guys that are running cloak and shotty following behind them.... It's hard to be sneaky when they can see you.... Never got a proto guy with my NK's. Only ADV. Everything else I used my SMG. So hard to do anything in this game. As a scout, that is visible, yes it is very difficult. That is why dampening is the most important skill for a scout, particularly a knifer. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TritusX PH4NT0M5 37	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:01:00 - [47] - Quote Just realized something. NK's reach further than I thought. Working around new stealth plan right now. Instead of trying to flank a guy completely from behind, I'm going to try flanking from the left and right and behind (cloak?) and slash from afar. Seems safer to me. What do you think I should do? Scout 514 forever
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5002	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:18:00 - [48] - Quote TritusX wrote: Just realized something. NK's reach further than I thought. Working around new stealth plan right now. Instead of trying to flank a guy completely from behind, I'm going to try flanking from the left and right and behind (cloak?) and slash from afar. Seems safer to me. What do you think I should do? This may be ok on a stationary target, but what you have to understand is that you slow down when you slash your knives. A moving target may move out of your range if you try to get too fancy. You can always tell a Millford Minja
TritusX PH4NT0M5 45	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:42:00 - [49] - Quote Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this Basic Sidearm DMG Mod M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive Enhanced Damp x2 I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2 Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5277	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:57:00 - [50] - Quote TritusX wrote: Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this Basic Sidearm DMG Mod M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive Enhanced Damp x2 I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2 Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order? Dampening from 3 to 5 should be first priority. Then shields or range. If you run around cloaked enough, I would go sheilds first as the Range nerf to cloaked scouts will eliminate any advantage of range. If you knife a lot, its best to put the knife in the first slot so you can just switch to that from cloak. I also wouldn't mess with the side arm damage mod at this point. Basic gets you next to no benefits. Get dampening to 5, shields to 3, and then you can throw on an enhanced shield extender instead of the side arm damage mod. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

TritusX PH4NT0M5 45	Posted - 2014.11.02 03:57:00 - [51] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this Basic Sidearm DMG Mod M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive Enhanced Damp x2 I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2 Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order? Dampening from 3 to 5 should be first priority. Then shields or range. If you run around cloaked enough, I would go sheilds first as the Range nerf to cloaked scouts will eliminate any advantage of range. If you knife a lot, its best to put the knife in the first slot so you can just switch to that from cloak. I also wouldn't mess with the side arm damage mod at this point. Basic gets you next to no benefits. Get dampening to 5, shields to 3, and then you can throw on an enhanced shield extender instead of the side arm damage mod. I've got shields at 3, you're saying I should put a Enh. Shield Ext instead? Also, how much is dampening from 3 to 5? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 86	Posted - 2014.11.02 15:34:00 - [52] - Quote My advice: cloaks only slow you down and make you careless, damps are where it's at. Hint: cloaks are better for squad leaders (using the wheel like a boss) than scouts. Ridiculous advice: Pop a flux in your hand (yep) and then hit them with knives if you're up against multiple/hardened targets SP spending advice: (there are always other ways) I recommend spiraling up each set of skills as you get the pool of SP. See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
Abe Foster Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:11:00 - [53] - Quote Personally this is what I use: M/1 scout (they're good since they give you the damage boost) Basic Combat Rifle (I just have good skill into it) Ishukone NK (ZN-28 work just as fine if you have good skill, but it will be harder to kill heavies) Complex Kin Cat (Just to run faster and doge bullets) Enhanced Profile dampener (only good scouts that sill against you will be able to see you so just one is fine) As much shields that you can fit since this will be most of your health locust or flux grenade, does not matter for me Advanced cloak MLT nanite injector For this suit only fight some one if you know you can kill them. Your shield is all of your life, if you run out of shields you will most likely die so I don't care to put on any armor. Always remember Nova Knifes are an assassination weapon only do stealth kills. If you run at some one just swinging your knifes they will just kill you. and if you don't kill them the first hit just hit them again or spray them with your gun. Hope this is helpful because it works well for me. A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men. ~Willy Wonka
TritusX PH4NT0M5 47	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:42:00 - [54] - Quote Abe Foster wrote: Personally this is what I use: M/1 scout (they're good since they give you the damage boost) Basic Combat Rifle (I just have good skill into it) Ishukone NK (ZN-28 work just as fine if you have good skill, but it will be harder to kill heavies) Complex Kin Cat (Just to run faster and doge bullets) Enhanced Profile dampener (only good scouts that sill against you will be able to see you so just one is fine) As much shields that you can fit since this will be most of your health locust or flux grenade, does not matter for me Advanced cloak MLT nanite injector For this suit only fight some one if you know you can kill them. Your shield is all of your life, if you run out of shields you will most likely die so I don't care to put on any armor. Always remember Nova Knifes are an assassination weapon only do stealth kills. If you run at some one just swinging your knifes they will just kill you. and if you don't kill them the first hit just hit them again or spray them with your gun. Hope this is helpful because it works well for me. Why do I feel that no one reads my posts except for the ones already involved (thanks One Eyed King) Just give me some feedback on my fits please thanks. It's been awhile since I started this topic, and I don't really need a completely new fit anymore. New Questions How much would one Enh. Damp do for a Scout M1 Series with ARN-18 Cloak? Also, is biotics worth all those skill points? I'm working on Dampening 5, and if I need to, Speed 5? or what? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5525	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:51:00 - [55] - Quote TritusX wrote: Abe Foster wrote: Personally this is what I use: M/1 scout (they're good since they give you the damage boost) Basic Combat Rifle (I just have good skill into it) Ishukone NK (ZN-28 work just as fine if you have good skill, but it will be harder to kill heavies) Complex Kin Cat (Just to run faster and doge bullets) Enhanced Profile dampener (only good scouts that sill against you will be able to see you so just one is fine) As much shields that you can fit since this will be most of your health locust or flux grenade, does not matter for me Advanced cloak MLT nanite injector For this suit only fight some one if you know you can kill them. Your shield is all of your life, if you run out of shields you will most likely die so I don't care to put on any armor. Always remember Nova Knifes are an assassination weapon only do stealth kills. If you run at some one just swinging your knifes they will just kill you. and if you don't kill them the first hit just hit them again or spray them with your gun. Hope this is helpful because it works well for me. Why do I feel that no one reads my posts except for the ones already involved (thanks One Eyed King) Just give me some feedback on my fits please thanks. It's been awhile since I started this topic, and I don't really need a completely new fit anymore. New Questions How much would one Enh. Damp do for a Scout M1 Series with ARN-18 Cloak? Also, is biotics worth all those skill points? I'm working on Dampening 5, and if I need to, Speed 5? or what? Kincats are helpful, but very difficult to fit, especially if you don't have Electronics and Engineering to 5. Most Dampening mechanics are based off of Complex Damps and the Proto cloak. Make a fit with all Enhanced Damps and if you find yourself scanned, switch to that and see if it helps. I personally find hacking as a more useful skill than biotics simply because you gain a passive bonus even without fitting Codebreakers, and that can be very helpful when making stealthy hacks in a Minmatar suit. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Abe Foster Rebels New Republic The Ditanian Alliance 71	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:04:00 - [56] - Quote Sorry for not answering your questions TritusX, but I'll do it now Profile dampeners on a suit are extremely helpful, but I think you only need one complex or advance one since you also have the cloak boost. and not that many people focus a lot on precision enhancers. but always have a damp and a cloak. Biotics are amazing but it is a ton of SP but you don't really cardiac regulators or Myofibril unless you want to melee, but that is what the knifes are for. The Kin Cat is what is good. But you'll need to be dedicated, but once you get it you will move like the wind. I have level 5 for Kin Cat and only Dampening on 3 and I'm fine. but it is always good to have a low profile but you don't need to have 2 dampeners on one suit done dampener is usually fine for me. hope this helps now. A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men. ~Willy Wonka
TritusX PH4NT0M5 57	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:09:00 - [57] - Quote RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6588	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:15:00 - [58] - Quote TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
TritusX PH4NT0M5 57	Posted - 2014.12.14 17:13:00 - [59] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6603	Posted - 2014.12.14 17:20:00 - [60] - Quote TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

TritusX PH4NT0M5 57	Posted - 2014.12.14 18:36:00 - [61] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does. KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6606	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:14:00 - [62] - Quote TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does. KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have? Proto Minjas have 3 slots each side. I say Minmatar Assault because of the EWAR changes. Now that you can essentially play an assault like a scout, you can dampen near as well, and since you were going to get scanned in short ranges no matter what you did as a scout, you might as well have more HP to do it with. Plus, as an assault, you have more slots with which to adjust your suit. So you can be nearly as dampened (or more so depending on a scout's fitting), be nearly as fast, and have 2 or 3 times the HP. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
TritusX PH4NT0M5 57	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:22:00 - [63] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does. KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have? Proto Minjas have 3 slots each side. I say Minmatar Assault because of the EWAR changes. Now that you can essentially play an assault like a scout, you can dampen near as well, and since you were going to get scanned in short ranges no matter what you did as a scout, you might as well have more HP to do it with. Plus, as an assault, you have more slots with which to adjust your suit. So you can be nearly as dampened (or more so depending on a scout's fitting), be nearly as fast, and have 2 or 3 times the HP. Okay. The new update is making EWAR hard, so I think I can start tanking a little bit and let's see what happens. I'd still like my NK Bonus, so I'll try Min Scout for now still. BTW, do you think we could squad up some time? Just need a fellow minja to run around with Now noobish questions. Should I run a Assault SMG (ADV Version. Is there a standard?) or Assault CR (ADV or STD? I have around 6m ISK)? If only you could attach RE to yourself and kamikaze a tank
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6628	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:46:00 - [64] - Quote Yes, the new EWAR is making things more difficult for scouts as a whole. That was the intention, I just think it was gone about the wrong way. I don't mind squadding together at all, but I don't play as much anymore, maybe once or twice every couple weeks because of in game frustrations. I would look up the chat channel Nova Knifers United, as there are lots of minja and other knifers there that I sometimes squad with. I will definitely hit you up if I am in game (though I don't use mic). As for the weaponry, the Assault CR is much more powerful than either the SMG or Assault SMG. Those are primarily finishers, which is good if that is what you are looking for. I myself prefer the regular burst CR because it is cheaper, and is a bit more powerful, though less spray and pray. You are more than welcome to join us in the Barbershop in the Locker Room as well. Its a largely scout thread (re named Barbershop because of knives) and it is a good place to learn about scout related things, and discuss problems potential solutions etc. I run only a Minja, and my weapons experience is much more limited, so they are a good resource for other weaponry ideas, tactics etc. Sometimes the other people in there have some unique fits and advice that you might find helpful as well. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"


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