DUST Search - Nova Knife Fit?

TritusX wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

TritusX wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

TritusX wrote:

RESSURECT

Well, it's been two months now :/
I still suck.
I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15.
WHAT DO??

Its not just you...

The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad.

I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout.

My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead.

I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems.

So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol
Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5?

Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations.

Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM.

Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well.

Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns.

Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does.

KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have?


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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3069	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:44:00 - [1] - Quote I would echo what Lee and Broker have said. Damps first and foremost. Dropsuit core upgrades. Are a must. Especially Engineering. I would wait awhile on the cloak. You are going to die a lot. I would also suggest putting some SP into uplinks and starting off a match running around the far edges of the map, using cover placing them relatively close to objectives. You would be surprised how much WP that alone will get you, and you will increase your SP that way as well, while you skill into killing suits. If you want to stick with knifing, I suggest using your current undampened self to your advantage. Learn to hide around corners and come out swinging. It won't matter if they know you are there, because they will chase after you thinking you are easy pickings and won't have time to react. I still get many kills this way around stairwells, doorways and corners. Someone thinks they have you and gives chase, then finds a knife in their mug. Also, definitely stop by the Barbershop like Broker said. We may get off topic a lot, and come off crass, but we like helping new scouts who are dedicated to the craft. This is how a minja feels
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3075	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:09:00 - [2] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall? He probably has his core skills maxed. Look for the channel Scouts United in game. There are lots of people in there to squad with. Beware, some people are nicer than others, and some people are not even scouts, but for the most part it is a good start for finding scouts to run with. If you see people like Gav, Aria, Shotty, Appia, or Jace looking to pick up people in your squad they are safe bets. I am sure there are others that I am leaving off, but it is a start. This is how a minja feels
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3114	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:51:00 - [3] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc. Damps first, then REs. Just try and avoid heavies, or if you are feeling suicidal flux then attack. REs are fun, but many heavies are smart enough now to recognize them, so they are far from a fail safe, but are definitely worth putting SP into. This is how a minja feels
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3458	Posted - 2014.08.20 20:08:00 - [4] - Quote TritusX wrote: Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ----> Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this) First, try out a flux grenade. Even standard ones can do some major shield damage, and they have a large splash area (even through walls for pesky uplinks). And if you can fit a Locus I believe you already have the skills needed for Flux. If you have Engineering and Electronics at 2, I would skill those up to at least 4 before you start looking elsewhere. Those are super important. For fitting a cloak, you need to get your minja up to lvl 4 at least to be able to fit one and still be viable. So long as you maxed your Dampening first. Do you have uplinks skilled yet? I doubt you are running out of ammo (I rarely ever do, especially with knives), and you can get boatloads of WP and SP by simply placing a few strategically located uplinks. Even if it is just 1 lvl, though at lvl 3 you can get Uplinks that allow 2 active at the same time. tl;dr Given what you have said, in my opinion, your priorities should be Engineering and Electronics. After that you can start thinking about leveling your minja to 4 at least, possibly uplinks, and that lvl 3 CR you talked about is a good idea too. The longer you delay a cloak, and continue learning where cover is and how to get around in cover, the more effective you will be when you do finally get a cloak. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3468	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:41:00 - [5] - Quote Between leveling up you scout or leveling up your Eng/Elec it comes down to whether you would use the advanced suit or not. I could be wrong, but I don't think leveling up the suit alone will increase CPU/PG across all tiers. That being said, if you can afford to run an Advanced suit, that will definitely get you more CPU and PG. If you are running about even isk wise with your standard suit, leveling up your Eng/Elec will increase fitting capacity for all suits at all levels. That way you will be able to run a standard minja with greater fitting capacity. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4627	Posted - 2014.10.05 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished. I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks. I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields. Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4797	Posted - 2014.10.14 01:48:00 - [7] - Quote TritusX wrote: Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm finding that NK is really hard. I'm seeing left and right people doing random 180's to spot guys that are running cloak and shotty following behind them.... It's hard to be sneaky when they can see you.... Never got a proto guy with my NK's. Only ADV. Everything else I used my SMG. So hard to do anything in this game. As a scout, that is visible, yes it is very difficult. That is why dampening is the most important skill for a scout, particularly a knifer. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5002	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote TritusX wrote: Just realized something. NK's reach further than I thought. Working around new stealth plan right now. Instead of trying to flank a guy completely from behind, I'm going to try flanking from the left and right and behind (cloak?) and slash from afar. Seems safer to me. What do you think I should do? This may be ok on a stationary target, but what you have to understand is that you slow down when you slash your knives. A moving target may move out of your range if you try to get too fancy. You can always tell a Millford Minja
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5277	Posted - 2014.11.01 23:57:00 - [9] - Quote TritusX wrote: Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this Basic Sidearm DMG Mod M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive Enhanced Damp x2 I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2 Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order? Dampening from 3 to 5 should be first priority. Then shields or range. If you run around cloaked enough, I would go sheilds first as the Range nerf to cloaked scouts will eliminate any advantage of range. If you knife a lot, its best to put the knife in the first slot so you can just switch to that from cloak. I also wouldn't mess with the side arm damage mod at this point. Basic gets you next to no benefits. Get dampening to 5, shields to 3, and then you can throw on an enhanced shield extender instead of the side arm damage mod. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5525	Posted - 2014.11.06 00:51:00 - [10] - Quote TritusX wrote: Abe Foster wrote: Personally this is what I use: M/1 scout (they're good since they give you the damage boost) Basic Combat Rifle (I just have good skill into it) Ishukone NK (ZN-28 work just as fine if you have good skill, but it will be harder to kill heavies) Complex Kin Cat (Just to run faster and doge bullets) Enhanced Profile dampener (only good scouts that sill against you will be able to see you so just one is fine) As much shields that you can fit since this will be most of your health locust or flux grenade, does not matter for me Advanced cloak MLT nanite injector For this suit only fight some one if you know you can kill them. Your shield is all of your life, if you run out of shields you will most likely die so I don't care to put on any armor. Always remember Nova Knifes are an assassination weapon only do stealth kills. If you run at some one just swinging your knifes they will just kill you. and if you don't kill them the first hit just hit them again or spray them with your gun. Hope this is helpful because it works well for me. Why do I feel that no one reads my posts except for the ones already involved (thanks One Eyed King) Just give me some feedback on my fits please thanks. It's been awhile since I started this topic, and I don't really need a completely new fit anymore. New Questions How much would one Enh. Damp do for a Scout M1 Series with ARN-18 Cloak? Also, is biotics worth all those skill points? I'm working on Dampening 5, and if I need to, Speed 5? or what? Kincats are helpful, but very difficult to fit, especially if you don't have Electronics and Engineering to 5. Most Dampening mechanics are based off of Complex Damps and the Proto cloak. Make a fit with all Enhanced Damps and if you find yourself scanned, switch to that and see if it helps. I personally find hacking as a more useful skill than biotics simply because you gain a passive bonus even without fitting Codebreakers, and that can be very helpful when making stealthy hacks in a Minmatar suit. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6588	Posted - 2014.12.13 20:15:00 - [11] - Quote TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6603	Posted - 2014.12.14 17:20:00 - [12] - Quote TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6606	Posted - 2014.12.14 21:14:00 - [13] - Quote TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: TritusX wrote: RESSURECT Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does. KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have? Proto Minjas have 3 slots each side. I say Minmatar Assault because of the EWAR changes. Now that you can essentially play an assault like a scout, you can dampen near as well, and since you were going to get scanned in short ranges no matter what you did as a scout, you might as well have more HP to do it with. Plus, as an assault, you have more slots with which to adjust your suit. So you can be nearly as dampened (or more so depending on a scout's fitting), be nearly as fast, and have 2 or 3 times the HP. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6628	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:46:00 - [14] - Quote Yes, the new EWAR is making things more difficult for scouts as a whole. That was the intention, I just think it was gone about the wrong way. I don't mind squadding together at all, but I don't play as much anymore, maybe once or twice every couple weeks because of in game frustrations. I would look up the chat channel Nova Knifers United, as there are lots of minja and other knifers there that I sometimes squad with. I will definitely hit you up if I am in game (though I don't use mic). As for the weaponry, the Assault CR is much more powerful than either the SMG or Assault SMG. Those are primarily finishers, which is good if that is what you are looking for. I myself prefer the regular burst CR because it is cheaper, and is a bit more powerful, though less spray and pray. You are more than welcome to join us in the Barbershop in the Locker Room as well. Its a largely scout thread (re named Barbershop because of knives) and it is a good place to learn about scout related things, and discuss problems potential solutions etc. I run only a Minja, and my weapons experience is much more limited, so they are a good resource for other weaponry ideas, tactics etc. Sometimes the other people in there have some unique fits and advice that you might find helpful as well. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"