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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
2082
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:49:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me  . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys 
Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always.
Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me.
The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well.
My normal knife fit looks like this:
Scout M/1
Assault CR
ZN knives
Flux grenade
2 x complex dampeners
2 x complex precision enhancer
Complex shield extender
Advanced cloak
Standard remote explosives
Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP.
I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional.
The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies).
Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
2088
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:28:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Brokerib wrote:TritusX wrote:Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always. Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me. The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well. My normal knife fit looks like this: Scout M/1 Assault CR ZN knives Flux grenade 2 x complex dampeners 2 x complex precision enhancer Complex shield extender Advanced cloak Standard remote explosives Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP. I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional. The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies). Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out. o7 What I see here already is a minimum 1m SP investment. I only have 1m sp total and that already went into my CR and Knives. Would it be a be a better idea to use ADV damps first and get everything to ADV, or should I go full proto on the damps? EDIT: I just made your fit on protofits Brokerib and it was hard to fit. I also used their skill tree only to find out that by minimum standards I would need at least 3m sp  . Looks like this is going to take a long time.
Unfortunately scouting, and knifing in particular, are very SP intensive.
Dampening is more important than any of the others. Range only really shines at proto, and you'll find limited use for precision until you have range. More than likely the reason you're getting spotted so much is because you're showing up on passive scans, so you should see an improvement fairly rapidly. The cloak can aid with that from the advanced level (5% increase to dampening), but isn't a substitute.
Advanced damps are a good start, and after that I'd start looking into core skills (engineering, electronics, shield and armor) to advanced as well. They'll make every suit you use, regardless of class, significantly better.
Biotics are also quite important to the Minmatar scout, though you'll need to invest to proto to see much of a difference. Don't worry about cardiac regulators too much, your stamina recharge is high enough to not need them in most instances. The straight increase from the biotics skill and kin cats are more effective.
Have a look at this for some general advice on scout fits.
A primer to the Scouterly arts
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
2094
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:58:00 -
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TritusX wrote:Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that  Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall?
Yep, I've got core upgrades, engineering and electronics to 4, as well as a couple of other skills to reduce the fitting costs of my weapons. Even with that, went and check my fit last night and it's actually an Enhanced Shield extender, not a Complex one. So even with 24Mil SP I can't fit what I said... 
Keep up the knifing, sounds like you're getting the right idea. I've never moved up from being a knifer of opporunity (hackers, stationary targets, snipers, etc), so most of my kills are with the CR as well. Proper knife slayers are few and far between.
Not sure how much experience you have with uplinks, but once you've got your other skills sorted, it pays to get uplinks up to at least level 3, preferably level 4. Trick with them is you can drop a number of different uplink models at once (so you could have two R-9 uplinks, a stable drop uplink, and a standard drop uplink) all active at the same time. You just need to setup a suit fit for each one and rotate through each suit. Can easily pull in over 1000 WP a match if you've got an active team and you're the only one dropping uplinks.
And as King said, hit up scouts united in game and ask if there's a knife squad going, there's normally someone around who's looking to do some close work.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
2100
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:33:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Brokerib wrote:Keep up the knifing, sounds like you're getting the right idea. I've never moved up from being a knifer of opporunity (hackers, stationary targets, snipers, etc), so most of my kills are with the CR as well. Proper knife slayers are few and far between. You MUST, at least once before DUST dies, experience the thrill of knifing a heavy in the face, knowing he sees you the whole time, and coming out of it alive. Sometimes it's the raptor leap, sometimes it's knowing he's just around the corner, facing where I'm going to come at him from, having no time to flank all the way around the building. So I'll throw a remote, knowing he can see it. With him aiming at where I threw the remote, right after I hear the detonation of his shooting it, I'll rush him. Or sometimes, I'm out of remotes and I have to rush in behind a flux or just dive into the attack 'raw'. And I just know they're furious afterward. Have you have had a knifer run at you slashing? I've been knifed by Parkour Practitioner and mollerz - it's terrifying.
I've had a couple of good kills and love watching fat-suits panic, but I'm far too inconsistent to rely on it as a primary. And now that the Oceanic servers have closed down, I can never be completely sure that what I see is what's actually happening.
Much like the REs, I use them as a weapon of opportunity when I know I've got an advantage, or use them as the jaws of the trap...or when I've run out of other options and just want to go down slashing 
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
2100
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Posted - 2014.08.04 00:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc. Damps first, then REs. Just try and avoid heavies, or if you are feeling suicidal flux then attack. REs are fun, but many heavies are smart enough now to recognize them, so they are far from a fail safe, but are definitely worth putting SP into.
I'd recommend advanced Damps then basic REs. The SP investment is really quite small, and 1250 damage is nothing to be sneezed at. That said, their fitting requirements are quite high. Complements really well with the knives though.
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