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Posted - 2014.08.01 12:33:00 -
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Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector
Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:37:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:TritusX wrote:Hi everyone. This is my first time on the forums, so don't kill me . What I am here to ask you today is what fit should I use for my NK's? My current suit looks like this -> Scout M1 Basic CR ZN-28 NK Ferroscale and Cardiac Regs in the lows Precision Enhancers in the highs MLT locus grenade MLT nanite injector Right now, I am finding it hard to sneak around to flank the enemy team without being spotted. I'll usually run away from the battle and make a curve to the left or right of them and come in from behind. But every time, someone spots me and kills me because I have no tank. Also, what should I skill into for this? I am thinking of trying a cloak, but maybe I shouldn't. Help me guys Your main skill focus for knifing should be Dampening, Range, and then Precision. Dampening first, and always. Some other knifers swear by Kin Cats to move fast enough to get within range and attack before the enemy can react, but I don't find it works for me. The cloak can be useful for getting into position or waiting for the right moment, but if you don't have dampening to go along with it you can still be spotted (you'll appear on the tac-net and the red chevron will appear about your head). Cloaks are also very difficult to fit unless you have scout to level 5, particualrly when fitting nova knives as well. My normal knife fit looks like this: Scout M/1 Assault CR ZN knives Flux grenade 2 x complex dampeners 2 x complex precision enhancer Complex shield extender Advanced cloak Standard remote explosives Though there's a fair investment in core skills to get that all on, and even then it comes in at under 300 HP. I'd recommend fitting your knives and two dampeners first, and then seeing what else you can get on. Even if you stack HP you'll still die in seconds, so your main goal is to remain unseen, and hit hard when you get the oportunity. Surviving is optional. The REs are for groups, or where you don't think you can take down your target in one hit (proto heavies). Feel free to pop over to the Barbershop if you have scouterly questions, there's a lot of experienced scout players who hang out there who will be happy to help out. o7
What I see here already is a minimum 1m SP investment. I only have 1m sp total and that already went into my CR and Knives. Would it be a be a better idea to use ADV damps first and get everything to ADV, or should I go full proto on the damps?
EDIT: I just made your fit on protofits Brokerib and it was hard to fit. I also used their skill tree only to find out that by minimum standards I would need at least 3m sp . Looks like this is going to take a long time.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 16:06:00 -
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Thanks for the good advice all! I've tried out some of your options, and it's been getting me a better KDR and more WP. Albeit most of my kills are from my combat rifle... but I've managed to knife a couple of guys. I've been dropping uplinks recently and in some matches, no one drops them so I will. Gets me a lot of WP for that Anyway, I have a question Brokerib. The fit that you gave has exceeded my cpu and pg. Is that a adv scout or do you have high engineering and electronics? Also, would anyone like to squad up with me to try knifing and scouting overall?
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:33:00 -
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Thanks for the good advice everyone! I went pure knifing just now in a ambush and went 7-3, better than my usual for knifing (4-12 is one of my worst ) I'm starting to get the hang of this now, and all I need is more SP to invest. Also, should I invest SP into RE's so that if I see a heavy coming I can lay one down instead of knifing him? OR should I continue going into my damps and weps etc.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:59:00 -
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Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ---->
Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer
I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this)
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:24:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:Ok, I've got a couple of things skilled up now. What I use now is this ---->
Scout M1 STD CR ZN-28 Locus Nade RE RE or Nanohive ADV Damps ADV Damps MLT Shield Extender STD Precision Enhancer
I'm wondering how this fit would look better and I have a question on what I should skill up. Should I skill into CR LVL 3 for the RS-90 or should I skill up into Scout LVL3 for cloak and better fitting? (I've had to skill up Eng and Ele. to 2 because of this) First, try out a flux grenade. Even standard ones can do some major shield damage, and they have a large splash area (even through walls for pesky uplinks). And if you can fit a Locus I believe you already have the skills needed for Flux. If you have Engineering and Electronics at 2, I would skill those up to at least 4 before you start looking elsewhere. Those are super important. For fitting a cloak, you need to get your minja up to lvl 4 at least to be able to fit one and still be viable. So long as you maxed your Dampening first. Do you have uplinks skilled yet? I doubt you are running out of ammo (I rarely ever do, especially with knives), and you can get boatloads of WP and SP by simply placing a few strategically located uplinks. Even if it is just 1 lvl, though at lvl 3 you can get Uplinks that allow 2 active at the same time. tl;dr Given what you have said, in my opinion, your priorities should be Engineering and Electronics. After that you can start thinking about leveling your minja to 4 at least, possibly uplinks, and that lvl 3 CR you talked about is a good idea too. The longer you delay a cloak, and continue learning where cover is and how to get around in cover, the more effective you will be when you do finally get a cloak.
I was using flux berfore, and I find it harder to take down their shields and come in. It kind of takes away my stealth factor. The only reason I use fluxes is to clear a room full of equipment (like gal research facility supply depot room). Locuses deal killing power (meh), so if there is a group of enemies that I can't RE then i just throw a locus.
My engineering and electronics ATM suffice, but I am wondering if I should skill up the suit for more cpu/pg or skill up electronics and engineering to make my STD suit better.
Cloak is now not in my to-do list for now.
I do not have uplinks skilled but I do have a MLT DU fit (terrible b/c cpu and pg) which reaps WP. Effective if I'm not killing well (this happens way too often)
So what I think I'm going to do now is this in the following order ---->
Skill CR to 3
Skill Elec. and Eng. to 3
Skill Min Scout to 4
Skill Dampening to 5
Skill NK to 5
Skill Range Amp and Prof Enh. to 3 each
Skill RE to 3
and thats it for now
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:55:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Don't get Prototype knives...they will use to much PGU/CP on your dropsuit.
Skill into assault sub machine guns and the ARN-18 Cloak field. Also get rid of the shield extenders/armour plates. In my opinion if your not dead your alive, ever half alive. Use scout fits and dampeners. Also remote explosives are good for when an enemy is chasing you down....drop one by the corner then blow him up!
I recommend using scout series suit (caldari) 1 ARN cloakfield 2 Complex Dampeners and a Cardiac RegulatorOR 3 Dampeners 1 ZN-28 Nova Knives 1 Sub Machine gun (At least)
With this fit you cannot be scanned and no one can see you....also if you kill enough into scout suits with regards to CPU/PG output you can fit more advanced equipment on there.
Just search up in youtube Winmitar Assassin dust 514 by 'Cyrus Li Moody'. In the description he shows exactly what fit he is using Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile.
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Posted - 2014.09.20 03:57:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:TritusX wrote:Thanks for this fit. I use Min Scout, and it might be different. Also, stop giving me proto fits. Solid ADV is most I can acheive right now. Just hit 2m SP, so yeah. Nowhere close to what you need for some of this. For Moody's fit for instance, I need at least 4m SP. So not gonna happen in awhile. ADV huh? M/1-Series Scout ZN's Scrambler Pistol, preferably assault Sidearm damage mod Shield extenders Best damps you have Flux (only if you can fit it, it's expendable) RE Stable uplink (for free warpoints) or compact nanohive (only takes level 2) or more REs maybe, or anything. Get 2 complex damps, need for cloak is arguable (I don't use cloak). Upgrade to Ishukone knives asap. It IS worth it. What I use
M/1-Series Scout ZN's or BK-42 or RS-90 M15A2-Submachine Gun or ZN-28 Sidearm damage mod or Extenders Shield extenders Enh. Damp x2 No nade b/c BK and Submachine Gun RE Cloak or DU
It's going to take awhile.....
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Posted - 2014.10.04 17:00:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minjaTry that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.)
This thread will never get old until my K/D ratio is over 1
My current fits (and skills mind you) look something like this----> http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1419/8202
So what do?
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:41:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:TritusX wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:Here is a low sp version: Low sp adv minjaTry that out. Should be possible with quite low sp. You might want to swap the 3xbasic shields with 2xenhaced shields and a precision mod, but that needs more sp. (ok, I know this is a really old thread, but my comments might help any budding new knifers.) This thread will never get old until my K/D ratio is over 1 My current fits (and skills mind you) look something like this----> http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1419/8202So what do? Not a bad fit, though I would swap the armor rep for one of the following: Kinetc catalyser (honestly, it's a lot of sp but they are much better than they sound, this would be the best option in my opinion, but they take a lot of pg). Reactive plate, great scout tank option Ferroscale plate, Range amp, also great on scouts (and logis) More damps, make sure you don't get scanned. You don't need armor reps with such low armor compared to shield. I like your equipment selection but you could swap for a cloak. Despite what some people say they are good if you learn to use them well (remember people can still see you and will notice you if you stay in line of sight for too long). Advanced cloaks might be what you need though, standard can be quite tricky. This causes fitting issues, though your current equipment is quite resource intensive anyway. Having said this, you can knife without a cloak, many of us did this before1.8 and it will probably make you a better scout for doing it. Losing the uplink and remotes would be a shame. I like the rep because I don't want to walk around waiting to be one shotted by a ScR. (even though I'm dead anyway) I usually put another damp on it, so thats done with
I use to run cloaks, but I found it very useless. If you use the cloak ATM for me, (look at the skills i filled out in the fitting) my chevron still shows up, so I'm dead. Rather flank the long way then be killed repeatedly under a cloak.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 23:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I would suggest making a fit with one of the nano hives that rep armor. It does more for your armor repairing, and once you lay the uplinks, that suits usefulness is diminished.
I have 3 separate Uplink fits, that I always try and switch out for a better fit once I am done dropping the uplinks.
I would first get your CR sharpshooter to 3 because that helps out a ton when using that weapon. Levels 4 and 5 have less significant a benefit. Then I would go dampening, electronics, engineering, and shields.
Having a KDR above 1 at this point is more a matter of getting more SP and less a matter of skill, unfortunately. There is something about having to skill into nanohives that bothers me. Is there by any chance a nanohive that replenishes both ammo and armor? (havent stumbled on this as a logi yet)
Uplinks I use to farm, mainly DU, MLT DU, STBL DU.
Heard about that CR sharpshooter :)
Gonna work on this for awhile. Playing on a heavy alt really lets me let go of my stress but unleashing killing power, but then I tend to try to do the same with this scout suit :/ bad idea
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Posted - 2014.10.14 01:35:00 -
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Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm finding that NK is really hard. I'm seeing left and right people doing random 180's to spot guys that are running cloak and shotty following behind them.... It's hard to be sneaky when they can see you.... Never got a proto guy with my NK's. Only ADV. Everything else I used my SMG. So hard to do anything in this game.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 19:01:00 -
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Just realized something. NK's reach further than I thought. Working around new stealth plan right now. Instead of trying to flank a guy completely from behind, I'm going to try flanking from the left and right and behind (cloak?) and slash from afar. Seems safer to me. What do you think I should do?
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:42:00 -
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Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this
Basic Sidearm DMG Mod
M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK
ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive
Enhanced Damp x2
I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2
Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order?
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Posted - 2014.11.02 03:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:Ok. I don't know what to do right now. My current fits run somewhere along this Basic Sidearm DMG Mod M152-A SMG ZN-28 NK ARN-18 Cloak Compact Nanohive Enhanced Damp x2 I have Dampening at 3 and Range Amp at 2 Should I start maxing out or getting to advanced my passives (shields level 2 ) and if so, in what order? Dampening from 3 to 5 should be first priority. Then shields or range. If you run around cloaked enough, I would go sheilds first as the Range nerf to cloaked scouts will eliminate any advantage of range. If you knife a lot, its best to put the knife in the first slot so you can just switch to that from cloak. I also wouldn't mess with the side arm damage mod at this point. Basic gets you next to no benefits. Get dampening to 5, shields to 3, and then you can throw on an enhanced shield extender instead of the side arm damage mod. I've got shields at 3, you're saying I should put a Enh. Shield Ext instead? Also, how much is dampening from 3 to 5?
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Posted - 2014.11.06 00:42:00 -
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Abe Foster wrote:Personally this is what I use:
M/1 scout (they're good since they give you the damage boost) Basic Combat Rifle (I just have good skill into it) Ishukone NK (ZN-28 work just as fine if you have good skill, but it will be harder to kill heavies) Complex Kin Cat (Just to run faster and doge bullets) Enhanced Profile dampener (only good scouts that sill against you will be able to see you so just one is fine) As much shields that you can fit since this will be most of your health locust or flux grenade, does not matter for me Advanced cloak MLT nanite injector
For this suit only fight some one if you know you can kill them. Your shield is all of your life, if you run out of shields you will most likely die so I don't care to put on any armor.
Always remember Nova Knifes are an assassination weapon only do stealth kills. If you run at some one just swinging your knifes they will just kill you. and if you don't kill them the first hit just hit them again or spray them with your gun.
Hope this is helpful because it works well for me. Why do I feel that no one reads my posts except for the ones already involved (thanks One Eyed King)
Just give me some feedback on my fits please thanks. It's been awhile since I started this topic, and I don't really need a completely new fit anymore.
New Questions
How much would one Enh. Damp do for a Scout M1 Series with ARN-18 Cloak? Also, is biotics worth all those skill points? I'm working on Dampening 5, and if I need to, Speed 5? or what?
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Posted - 2014.12.13 20:09:00 -
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RESSURECT
Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO??
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:13:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:RESSURECT
Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5?
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Posted - 2014.12.14 18:36:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:RESSURECT
Well, it's been two months now :/ I still suck. I've seen that NK is getting to be really difficult now, to the point of me going like 2/15. WHAT DO?? Its not just you... The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad. I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout. My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead. I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems. So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns.
Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does.
KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have?
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Posted - 2014.12.16 00:22:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:One Eyed King wrote:TritusX wrote:One Eyed King wrote: Its not just you...
The nerfs to shotguns scouts have hit knifers harder because they were too broad.
I have seen one person start using a Minmatar Assault as a knifer with greater effect than he used his Minmatar Scout.
My suggestion would be to try other roles that you can live with, significantly change your tactics by being super picky with your targets, or maybe try the Min Assault for knifing instead.
I won't lie, I am sort of at a loss myself, though others seem to not be having the same problems.
So I guess that my life as a NK is coming to a halt for now. Maybe I'll try slayer scout lol Anyway, I have Dampening 5, NK 5, and Proficiency 1. I have Range Amp at 4, and Precision at 2. Should I try to get these to 5? Precision yes. After that, I would even recommend holding off for awhile and saving SP until you get a fuller idea of how things play out, that being said, here are my other recommendations. Proficiency I wouldn't get above 3 right now. Levels 4 and 5 are awfully expensive for what little you gain there. Seriously think about skilling Minmatar Assault to 3, unless you are opposed to FotM. Do you have any skill into KinCats? Those can be fun and helpful as well. Also consider trying out MDs, PLCs, and Flaylocks, particularly if you are still seeing a lot of shotgun scouts. Those are good at dispatching them, since Knives are very difficult against shotguns. Thanks. Just saying, why Min Asssault? EHP and Speed sort of thing? If anything, I'll try Min Assault on a alt later to see how it does. KinCats. I have an ADV Min Scout, and one KinCat bumps my speed up 5%, and I need the other slot for a damp. How many slots does a proto Min Scout have? Proto Minjas have 3 slots each side. I say Minmatar Assault because of the EWAR changes. Now that you can essentially play an assault like a scout, you can dampen near as well, and since you were going to get scanned in short ranges no matter what you did as a scout, you might as well have more HP to do it with. Plus, as an assault, you have more slots with which to adjust your suit. So you can be nearly as dampened (or more so depending on a scout's fitting), be nearly as fast, and have 2 or 3 times the HP. Okay. The new update is making EWAR hard, so I think I can start tanking a little bit and let's see what happens. I'd still like my NK Bonus, so I'll try Min Scout for now still. BTW, do you think we could squad up some time? Just need a fellow minja to run around with
Now noobish questions. Should I run a Assault SMG (ADV Version. Is there a standard?) or Assault CR (ADV or STD? I have around 6m ISK)?
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