The role of pilot takes the (arguably) most skill of any other vehiclist in the game.
All the arguments i see are "all you have to do is activate your afterburner" or 'all you pilots just run'. And to that I question you this; how does a dropship that runs manage to kill you? Just by flying in the air we presume huge risks that blue berries don't have to worry about, such as:
1) surprise forge gun
2) confined spaces
3) installations (seriously, redline installations are BS OP already) hitting you from 600 meters
4) new installation AI ( blueberries may have to be concerned about this)
5) rail tanks
6) kamikaze pilots
7) the mcc (plink.... Boom!)
8) heavies beating our shields' passive regen (i hate this, personally)
9) other, friendly pilots
10) layers and layers and layers of swarms
I've died to all these things atleast once, and they are real threats that we watch out for in real time. Not only do we have to watch out for every one of those, there is no cover for us! If we get hit by a forge, our only option is to run, kill, or die. Most often you will see the run or die actions, however, once in a brave while you'll see a pilot who fighs off the threat (i'll admit, i rarely do this, ever) succesfully (even more rarely) and continue on their dropship day.

So, why do those who complain do so?

Because its the last vehicle to get a nerf

Hotfix alpha and bravo nerfed the ground tanks more in general, now its time for aerial vehicles

Not really. It's really the same role except you have slightly less EHP and can fly.

1.)Every vehiclist deals with surprise AV, don't pretend like you are special.
2.)Tanker have to deal with that too
3.)Yes I deal with Redline Rails too
4.)Again I deal with that and now have significantly less accurate blasters as compared to the turrets dead eye shooting
5.)Uh Duh..... Rail Tanks primary role is to bust other HAV, come off it mate
6.)JLAV except they are far more common and easier to pull off.
7.) Yeah fine I don't have to deal with a giant floating ship that fills half the skies...I stay on the map
8.) Can't argue with that
9.)Yeah Tankers can be dumb sobs as well
10.) If you think players hate ADS..... you should have seen their raging hardons when I drop tanks...

Lets not pretend like you have a swarthe of "personal issues" that other vehiclists don't........



Oh good ******* lord mate......

So, why do those who complain do so?

because if you have to come up with a whole gameplan in PC to stop one guy in a ADS the thing is OP. because when the rail on the tank had its distance nerfed the ADS should have been nerfed along with it. the rail tank used to be the real counter to an ADS without that the ADS became free to **** ground troops at will. now yes i am full aware that you can put forge guns all over the high ground to keep the ADS at bay but you can't hold letters by just focussing on one ADS. its called game play balance ether buff the swarm lock on distance, rail tank range, or nerf the ADS.

Boo ******* hoo Bojo.

It's exactly the same as having to deal with JLAV's as a tanker. And I get told by people to HTFU about it, because lol double standard......

HTFU

Even though they don't need it.

But thats infantry for you

If its still usable its OP so it must be nerfed into the ******* ground and this is for ******* pubs, in PC basically all vehicles are useless maybe barring the ADS if the pilot is damn good

ADS quite frankly needed the buff especially the python considering how it's hit box is broken and most dangers come from invisible swarm users or that non - rendered forge shot that just so happens to take out the shields without any notification at all.

Yes ADS needed the buff because rendering and hit detection just plain sucks.

Because its the last vehicle to get a nerf

Hotfix alpha and bravo nerfed the ground tanks more in general, now its time for aerial vehicles

You also forget to mention AV has been progressively nerfed since 1.8.

1) Change to damage profile (15% across the board nerf)
2) Chmange to damage mods (5% nerf per module - about 12% across the board nerf)
3) Swarm Launcher lock-on range
4) FG damage
5) AV grenade capacity
6) Increased AV nanite cost

In return we got
1) AV grenade buff (still not as good as 3 grenades)
2) Plasma Cannon buff (still useless)

And exactly how much have you lost?
1) 15% Active Hardener Resistance
2) 20 HP/s Armour Rep Rate
3) 60% blaster accuracy
4) A bit of rail turret range

QQ moar, for balance!

I would wager to say the real problems assault dropship pilots face, at least python pilots, is randomized collision damage, gunner's exploding for no reason, and rendering issues. Oh and rdvs

SL can still fire its entire clip in less than 4seconds with missiles that travel around corners are sometimes invisible and can hit to 400m which require 0 aim or skill

Yes because it's not like AVers have to consider where to be placed when attacking, what path the swarms will travel, swarms have stopped the going round corners buisness for absolute ages. Your just poor at avoiding them.

FG damage/SL damage hasnt really changes since all hardeners got a nerf
Both were done in 1.8, so that kinda null and void since, hardeners also haven't been nerfed further since the proficency skill changes and damage mod nerfs

AV nades change to stop spam, they still require no aim and never miss
Spam? So I'm not allowed to lob 3 AV grenades at tank sitting 10m from me?, AV grenades lost more from that grenade then the slight buff they were given back

PLC buff happened increase of ppl using it but again requires aim which 99% dont have
Plc buff happened and everyone went to have a look, including my self, it is still poor because the damage just doesn't stack up. It's still not viable as an Anti-Tank weapon

Vehicles have lost skills, modules, hulls, turrets slots aswell as accuracy on blasters so you can no longer defend yourself,
Can't defend yourself? Yet this fitting: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6018 will take 6 PRO swarm launcher, without taking into account it's hardeners and repping, it also comes equipepdd with a scanner and fuel injector. If your having trouble surviving in that kind of fit I suggest you reevaluate how you pilot your tank. Futhermore they do intend to give them back when vehicles are in a balanced state.

Rail range because muh DS for ppl who cant fly,
or because you all sat in the redline like incredibly scrubby snipers

armor rep rate because i cant solo it with militia,
Yes of course because repping at well over 300 HP/s faster than the DPS of AV isn't broken at all.

Hardner nerf because it did its job,
because achieving 98% damage resistance isn't at all broken

railgun OH because why not, railgun refire speed because why not,
tankers complained about railgun DPS because we all got in tanks to kill you, like you wanted thank Spkr for that one

overdrive nerf because it worked, afterburner nerf because it does its job,
Yes because I'm sure tanks should be driving as fast as LAV's

damage mod nerf because it does its job
Tankers complained about that because we fitted out damage mod tanks to kill you, like you suggested

AV got nerfed get ****** all its had is buffs while vehicles have got less of everything and that is a fact

Don't forget the people that say "no fun allowed" and either tap a Python with their Incubus, or those that ram at full speed with a Gorgon, who somehow pilot their little MLT ship as if it were an ADS.

They dont need buffs aswell.

Gunlogi have lower shields than maddy,
why python will have same shields as incubus armor?

Stop be so dramatic. If you will get shoot, you just need to activate after burner and fly away. Then go back from other side.

Tanks cost same as ADS and Tank is way easier to destory.
Once you stop for like 0,5sec, they will put remotes on you. 1shoot from swarms/fg and youre done.


About hiding from AV.
You have whole sky, simply hold trigger to fly up.
We cant outrun swarms and they do 90-¦ turns over covers.

Once again, dont be so dramatic

Yes because in the rebalance we lost
Direct Damage to the Forge Gun
Swarm Launcher lock-on speed

Profciency Changes + Damage Mod changes equalling a 28% nerf to AV damage output across the board.

Forge guns that wouldn't fire. (Bug)
Damage Mods that didn't effect damage (Bug)

You spent all of 1.8 telling us to get in tanks to kill you, me Atiim and every other AVer followed your advice and fit Damage Mod Railguns to take you out.

You have spent your entire time in this game complaining, because a skilled AVer managed to take you solo a half dozen times.
Prehaps if you didn't insist on tanks and vehicles being overpowered and require half a teams woth of proto to scratch the paintwork you might more people actually prepared to have reasonable discussions.

AV and Vehicles have both been progressively nerfed since the orginal rebalance. Not to mention they are getting nerfed again in Charlie.

The role of pilot takes the (arguably) most skill of any other vehiclist in the game.
All the arguments i see are "all you have to do is activate your afterburner" or 'all you pilots just run'. And to that I question you this; how does a dropship that runs manage to kill you? Just by flying in the air we presume huge risks that blue berries don't have to worry about, such as:
1) surprise forge gun
2) confined spaces
3) installations (seriously, redline installations are BS OP already) hitting you from 600 meters
4) new installation AI ( blueberries may have to be concerned about this)
5) rail tanks
6) kamikaze pilots
7) the mcc (plink.... Boom!)
8) heavies beating our shields' passive regen (i hate this, personally)
9) other, friendly pilots
10) layers and layers and layers of swarms
I've died to all these things atleast once, and they are real threats that we watch out for in real time. Not only do we have to watch out for every one of those, there is no cover for us! If we get hit by a forge, our only option is to run, kill, or die. Most often you will see the run or die actions, however, once in a brave while you'll see a pilot who fighs off the threat (i'll admit, i rarely do this, ever) succesfully (even more rarely) and continue on their dropship day.

So, why do those who complain do so?

Move tank around corner, swarms still follow, yea no
Fires Swarms at Tank, piles into building, yeah yeah

Harderners got nerfs just as bad, the new damage profiles of both weapons make hardeners worthless unless you run 2 at any one time which takes up 2 out of the 3 slots
Hold on are you saying the NERFED damage profile is worse than before? Please continue on how more nerfs to AV will make it more over powered.

In the end you recieved a 15% hardener nerf for armour and 20% for shields, we recieved nearly 30% max damage output nerf . On weapons that already had poor max damage output for the time.

AV nades are fine now, they are a skillless weapon to begin with, its bad enough that they never miss and require no aim
They still got nerfed though which kinda what we are discussing here

Maybe you dont know how to use the PLC? then again go to PC matches if its not used then its useless because scrubs like you balance for pubs and not PC
So I'm going to balance the game on a game mode a half dozen people play, which consists entirely of FOTM spam?
I've been in PC matches Taki, there is a good reason for them not to be used as balance.

Maddy with a plate and hardener lol, with a blaster on it lol it cant hit anything outside 10m lol, says its a good fit lol, says CCP will give vehicle stuff back when its balanced, its never been as unbalanced since they removed useful skills/hulls/modules/slots/turrets, even 1.0 was better
can you suggest a fit that will sponge more damage without stacking hardeners?

In the hills like a sniper, no up at the enemy redline killing bolas
As equally Scrubby:

Spkr4thedead wrote:

They're also generally terrible, either camping a mountaintop, or only coming out of the redline when an enemy tank is nearby. This in my opinion is the worst way to tank.

300hp/s only viable fit left, hardeners are worse than a repper and have a cooldown timer, plate is useless and makes you slower, scrubs nerfed anything which was good so we adapted and used whats left, same scrubs keep screaming for nerfs to balance pubs but triple rep maddy is useless in PC
Prehaps that's because half the enemy sit on a rooftop spamming forge guns to high heaven? Something I would not be opposed to removing.

Direct damage to FG, BFG can still 2 shot a maddy/gunlogi
Yeah with 8 second charge time and the inabilty to frikking move, that is an entire 16seconds you have to get out of the guys radius. if you are regularly getting 2 shotted by a Breach Forge Gun you need to learn when to retreat. Dropships do it so well, a few idiots thinknthey need a nerf!

Lost lock on time, its an unskilled weapon which requires no aim, you dont even have to keep lock on to guide the missiles
Do you actually have mathematical proof or is this just opinon? Swarms are no more skilless than Missile Turrets or Railguns against vehicles. Just Point and Shoot Right? Reptools are skilless just because all you have to do is hold down the fire button. Is that correct as well?

Profciency Changes + Damage Mod changes equalling a 28% nerf to AV damage output across the board, while hardeners/reppers get nerfed for vehicles which makes it even while blasters are made worse so you cant defend yourself

Forge guns that wouldn't fire. (Bug), Railguns that wouldnt fire (bug) still hasnt been fixed since pre 1.0
My railgun always worked fine

Damage Mods that didn't effect damage (Bug), Shield boosters dont work (bug) still broken
Shield Boosters work everytime on my Dropship

Wants to be able to solo all vehicles with proto weapons, yet wont allow pilots to have proto hulls or useful modules and skills which they have lost
I'd love to have Proto hulls and a greater variety of vehicle modules, but you wouldn't know that because you assume everyone who thinks tanks should be nerfed all just want the blown up with rifles.

Depends of Pilot skill, AVer skill, positioning, tactics etc etc. If you can't solo your average run of the mill tanker via the use of traps, superior positioning, tactics and skill exactly how do you even expect to supress a skilled tanker?

A railgun? But didn't tankers want them nerfed because they were blowing up their tanks to easy?

Vehicles have been nerfed alot more than AV and its a fact, they have lost more modules/turrets/slots/hulls and skills and still continue to lose out on the nerf train
Opinion: unless you have maths to prove otherwise, however I do agree vehicles were nerfed more than AV because vehicles were overpowered, but to say that AV hasn't been nerfed, or the nerfs are negligible is a narrow minded view and shows exactly why you and Spkr have become infamous for wanting OP tanks, you have absoultly no consoderation for any other role or player of this game.


SL/FG have roughly stayed the same in DUST, yet vehicles get less of everything in every update.
Yes because once again nearly a 30% reduction maximum damage output is "roughly the same"