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Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 288	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:13:00 - [61] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: What Ive observed is that some Heavies want to be able to do what Scouts do and some Scouts want to be able to do what Heavies do. The fact of the matter is they are on opposite sides of the spectrum in terms of strengths and weaknesses. Your favorite is the one closest to your play style. I have both and enjoy both but I dont expect both to have the same abilities. For those that want to be the Jack -of-all-trades, theres the Assault suit which is trying to make a comeback with much needed buffs. Instead of pointlessly arguing about how Heavies and Scouts are to blame , we should focus on making the Assault viable . So you're saying the mud slinging is the result of suit envy? I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:35:00 - [62] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: How can you hate that which YOU created...? I am but nature's balance to YOUR incessant torrent of complaints about the poor heavies. And the best part is soon you will be adding assaults to your nerf hit list once you scouts realize that they are viable again. And I will be there howling with laughter saying I TOLD YOU SO... and that day will be a turning point when the non wallhackers say NO MORE and rise full of just indignation and overthrow the cloaked defilers of this sacred game and you scouts will know the feeling of being truly hunted for the first time. AND WE SHALL WIN!!! I think everyone's problem with you is that, instead of offering ideas to help balance and/or admitting that Heavies are OP/spammed, you insist on believeing that Heavies are being nerfed only due to Scouts QQing. Stop saying they have wallhacks and invisibility, and start offering some real feedback about Scouts/Heavies that makes your opinion worth a damn. I do not seek worth among my peers, as I am but a martyr destined to be used abused and then thrown away... My crusade is to get people to wake up and REALIZE that screaming for nerfs just because the meta shifts slightly out of your favor is WRONG. Alas though, I fear my job will never be done as scouts, even with the incoming CPU PG and HMG nerfs, still cry for MORE NERFS before even letting the current changes be felt. Thus I shall continue to remind them that they are not the only ones who can whine, moan and fling poo to get what they want. I am merely less subtle about it... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 881	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:37:00 - [63] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Scouts continue to blight these sacred forums with their presence... My only question is why? Why do we let these wallhacking invisible midgets continue to live... Trust me when HF Charlie hits and they realize that medium suits are viable again they will be screaming for nerfs on them as well as the poor heavies. These parasites on this game will not stop until they can kill any other suit. Join me in stomping this infestation out if you see a scout in FW kill it regardless of blue or red and harass the midget till he biomasses. END THEIR REIGN OF TERROR AND BTCHING NOW... I feel like I should not weigh in on this but I will. The point of the thread was to put holes in your common argument that you need all that DPS on the HMG to fight shotgun scouts. It's asinine that in order to take out a target with less health you need more DPS, range, better damage profile,and cheaper fitting. I await the heat changes on the HMG in hopes that they will balance this monstrously unbalanced weapon. There was no QQ in the thread. It was a constructive banter where there wasn't QQ as much as argument versus argument. Points were made and accepted. In the end, you have done nothing but bitched that your heavy suit is going through changes. It's not even a nerf like was pointed out, heavies will now have an all-time high pinnacle of HP. While it will in particular cause some weaponry sacrifices in the form of sidearm + nades, I have rarely seen a time where a heavy has had a need for them. But that's good. It's good that heavies will start having to make sacrifices, like every other suit. I sympathize with caldari sentinels though. **** and moan all you like in the end logical balance will take it's course. If all scouts popped up on the Heavy's radar whenever they're within 10m regardless of dampening, you'd have a point. Scouts are a suit with the ability to literally run up behind a heavy undetected, or flank an entire building to come up from behind when spotted, in the time it takes said heavy to reach the corner and look around it, as well as capable of dodging through the stream of bullets, due to the hard angle of bullet fire, instead of a dynamic pass hit detection... then kill said heavy in 2-3 shots while strafing so fast that the heavy cannot follow with the gun reticule at close range.... So Yes, Scouts need to fall like flies if detected, because that is balance. Heavies fall if they get within a scout's range, so why is it unfair for a scout to fall if it is detected within the heavy's range? The role of presence is kind of in the name "Heavy"... http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 140	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:00:00 - [64] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: How can you hate that which YOU created...? I am but nature's balance to YOUR incessant torrent of complaints about the poor heavies. And the best part is soon you will be adding assaults to your nerf hit list once you scouts realize that they are viable again. And I will be there howling with laughter saying I TOLD YOU SO... and that day will be a turning point when the non wallhackers say NO MORE and rise full of just indignation and overthrow the cloaked defilers of this sacred game and you scouts will know the feeling of being truly hunted for the first time. AND WE SHALL WIN!!! I think everyone's problem with you is that, instead of offering ideas to help balance and/or admitting that Heavies are OP/spammed, you insist on believeing that Heavies are being nerfed only due to Scouts QQing. Stop saying they have wallhacks and invisibility, and start offering some real feedback about Scouts/Heavies that makes your opinion worth a damn. I do not seek worth among my peers, as I am but a martyr destined to be used abused and then thrown away... My crusade is to get people to wake up and REALIZE that screaming for nerfs just because the meta shifts slightly out of your favor is WRONG. Alas though, I fear my job will never be done as scouts, even with the incoming CPU PG and HMG nerfs, still cry for MORE NERFS before even letting the current changes be felt. Thus I shall continue to remind them that they are not the only ones who can whine, moan and fling poo to get what they want. I am merely less subtle about it... Again, where the f*ck have scouts been complaining about heavies? My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:12:00 - [65] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: How can you hate that which YOU created...? I am but nature's balance to YOUR incessant torrent of complaints about the poor heavies. And the best part is soon you will be adding assaults to your nerf hit list once you scouts realize that they are viable again. And I will be there howling with laughter saying I TOLD YOU SO... and that day will be a turning point when the non wallhackers say NO MORE and rise full of just indignation and overthrow the cloaked defilers of this sacred game and you scouts will know the feeling of being truly hunted for the first time. AND WE SHALL WIN!!! I think everyone's problem with you is that, instead of offering ideas to help balance and/or admitting that Heavies are OP/spammed, you insist on believeing that Heavies are being nerfed only due to Scouts QQing. Stop saying they have wallhacks and invisibility, and start offering some real feedback about Scouts/Heavies that makes your opinion worth a damn. I do not seek worth among my peers, as I am but a martyr destined to be used abused and then thrown away... My crusade is to get people to wake up and REALIZE that screaming for nerfs just because the meta shifts slightly out of your favor is WRONG. Alas though, I fear my job will never be done as scouts, even with the incoming CPU PG and HMG nerfs, still cry for MORE NERFS before even letting the current changes be felt. Thus I shall continue to remind them that they are not the only ones who can whine, moan and fling poo to get what they want. I am merely less subtle about it... Again, where the f*ck have scouts been complaining about heavies? Look up the post history of most if not all the "big name" scouts and you will find what you seek If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4759	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:23:00 - [66] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: If all scouts popped up on the Heavy's radar whenever they're within 10m regardless of dampening, you'd have a point. Scouts are a suit with the ability to literally run up behind a heavy undetected, or flank an entire building to come up from behind when spotted, in the time it takes said heavy to reach the corner and look around it, as well as capable of dodging through the stream of bullets, due to the hard angle of bullet fire, instead of a dynamic pass hit detection... then kill said heavy in 2-3 shots while strafing so fast that the heavy cannot follow with the gun reticule at close range.... So Yes, Scouts need to fall like flies if detected, because that is balance. Heavies fall if they get within a scout's range, so why is it unfair for a scout to fall if it is detected within the heavy's range? The role of presence is kind of in the name "Heavy"... Strafing out an HMG point blank? I don't know if you got the memo but heavies have the same rotational speed as everyone else. If you can't even graze a scout in CQC with an HMG I don't know if there's hope for yall in general. Point blank the scout gets first shotgun round off they need two more. 2 more which will occupy the time slot of just under 2 seconds. To take out even a 700 HP scout takes under a second of HMG fire. Realistically you are looking at a 300 HP scout and that is well under half a second to dispose of. Yes scouts need to fall like flies if detected but there is no need to have a death HMG that unbalanced against all suits to defend yourselves against one suit & one weapon. It outranges and out dps shotguns and is mounted on tissue paper suit and the best most heavies complain about is "dat strafe speed". As if strafe speed wasn't balanced by HP....... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3419	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:52:00 - [67] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Again, where the fck have scouts been complaining about heavies? I post a weekly complaint about Heavies. Sometimes two. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Prior to Bravo, I did the same about Tanks. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Now before the fatties in the room rebut, I am very much aware that Scout suits are also spammed. A number of old-school Scouts (myself included) have made every effort to see this corrected. We neither pretend nor claim that "everything is fine" and we call out the FotM chasers who do. We have identified key problems specific to our frame and have proposed to the Devs various means by which to correct them. We do not want the crutch; we do not defend the crutch. Scouts want balance. Because balance is good for Dust. In response to the OP, I would ask two questions: 1) If "everything is fine"* then why are your suits so heavily spammed? 2) If Charlie doesn't fix your spam, what do you and your fellow fatties intend to do about it? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3130	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:06:00 - [68] - Quote Bojo I am actually quite shocked... The longer you play Dust, the more ******** you sound. The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:11:00 - [69] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Scouts continue to blight these sacred forums with their presence... My only question is why? Why do we let these wallhacking invisible midgets continue to live... Trust me when HF Charlie hits and they realize that medium suits are viable again they will be screaming for nerfs on them as well as the poor heavies. These parasites on this game will not stop until they can kill any other suit. Join me in stomping this infestation out if you see a scout in FW kill it regardless of blue or red and harass the midget till he biomasses. END THEIR REIGN OF TERROR AND B*TCHING NOW... stop being a little whining cry baby.......just because us scouts make you look like a joke on the battle field don't mean they shouldn't exist....scrubs like you need either get good and stop QQing or STFU and GTFO of dust.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4769	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:11:00 - [70] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Bojo I am actually quite shocked... The longer you play Dust, the more ****** you sound. I've been playing Morrowind, actually That's why I'm so ****, because this god damn trader got lost in a god damn ash storm and I have to find his ***** ass and I've walked all over the god damn place looking for where he could hide and it just .... YYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Angers me Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:20:00 - [71] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Again, where the fck have scouts been complaining about heavies? I post a weekly complaint about Heavies. Sometimes two. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Prior to Bravo, I did the same about Tanks. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Now before the fatties in the room rebut, I am very much aware that Scout suits are also spammed. A number of old-school Scouts (myself included) have made every effort to see this corrected. We neither pretend nor claim that "everything is fine" and we call out the FotM chasers who do. We have identified key problems specific to our frame and have proposed to the Devs various means by which to correct them. We do not want the crutch; we do not defend the crutch. Scouts want balance. Because balance is good for Dust. In response to the OP, I would ask two questions: 1) If "everything is fine"* then why are your suits so heavily spammed? 2) If Charlie doesn't fix your spam, what do you and your fellow fatties intend to do about it? I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:22:00 - [72] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: [quote=Atiim]Scout users have been actively working with CCP Rattati & Logibro to do away with the "brick scout" and bring them in-line with where they should be in terms of balance (ie, not Super-Assault Dropsuits). Sentinels on the other hand, are refusing to admit that there is a problem, and have insisted that everything is "working as intended", despite a heavy (hehe) amount of evidence to support the contrary. Not to mention, that they continued to cry and used astonishingly hypocritical arguments to nerf the Remote Explosives. Sentinels are the new Uprising 1.7 Tankers. Last I checked more medium suits were complaining about REs then heavy suits also if i'm not mistaken REs got buffed unless you don't consider 1750 damage a buff [/quot] Yet R/E still does 1250 at standard and 1500 at advanced, only proto is at 1750 and the times after deployment have been drastically increased. I guess you have been looking at the wrong threads, because every single thread i seen about how the R/E needed to be nerfed was started by a heavy, because lets face the truth that every time people come up with a counter to heavies, they cry it's op and needs to be nerfed or they need to be buffed in response to the counter.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:22:00 - [73] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Scouts continue to blight these sacred forums with their presence... My only question is why? Why do we let these wallhacking invisible midgets continue to live... Trust me when HF Charlie hits and they realize that medium suits are viable again they will be screaming for nerfs on them as well as the poor heavies. These parasites on this game will not stop until they can kill any other suit. Join me in stomping this infestation out if you see a scout in FW kill it regardless of blue or red and harass the midget till he biomasses. END THEIR REIGN OF TERROR AND B*TCHING NOW... stop being a little whining cry baby.......just because us scouts make you look like a joke on the battle field don't mean they shouldn't exist....scrubs like you need either get good and stop QQing or STFU and GTFO of dust. Your QQ makes my QQ sound like a mouse fart... Edit L2Quote KKTHXBYE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3421	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:29:00 - [74] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. 1. There has never been a higher profile a scout than Bojo the Mighty. While I cannot speak for the great Bojo himself, I can attest to the judicious and enlightened nature of his uniquely vast wisdom. As such, I cannot imagine that Bojo wishes for craptastic Heavies. To which high profile scouts do you refer? 2. Agreed. I think the Charlie tweaks will be a good start toward bringing an end to FotM status of both my suit and yours. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:57:00 - [75] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. 1. There has never been a higher profile a scout than Bojo the Mighty. While I cannot speak for the great Bojo himself, I can attest to the judicious and enlightened nature of his uniquely vast wisdom. As such, I cannot imagine that Bojo wishes for craptastic Heavies. To which high profile scouts do you refer? 2. Agreed. I think the Charlie tweaks will be a good start toward bringing an end to FotM status of both my suit and yours. Bojo, gravion, h*ll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5564	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:55:00 - [76] - Quote The sad thing is, Scouts vs Heavies is actually a balanced fight. Scouts get the advantage (even with less HP,less DPS , etc..) on heavies due to speed and e-war (surprise attacks). Heavies have enough HP to survive some surprise attacks and counter accordingly with a weapon that does not misses and has a high DPS. Balanced. Med frames are the ones that can barely survive this fight. Scouts are ok, Heavies are ok, Med frames are getting buffed. Everything is good with the world. Stop QQ ing please. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3428	Posted - 2014.07.31 00:51:00 - [77] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo, gravion, hll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Bojo is Bojo. He says wise things. He says silly things. "Grav" (who we affectionately call Gav) is a youngish guy who holds the title of village idiot. On rare occasions, he comes up with a gem so we've come to adopt him despite his being a 1.8 Scout. We routinely brutalize and browbeat the poor kid, which comes as direct consequence of his routinely saying stupid sh!t. We too wish that Gav would say less stupid sh!t. I am guilty of slinging mud in hopes of prodding Heavies. I'd like to see them step up and take the reigns of their FotM. Many have, but many more have adopted the tanker's "everything is fine"* mantra. We want the same thing, Heavies and Scouts. We want our suits to be spammed less often, and we want to restore our presently soiled reputations. This may come in Charlie thanks to Super Assaults. We'll likely hate each other alot less once we share a common (likely overpowered) adversary. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 63	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:01:00 - [78] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo, gravion, hll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Bojo is Bojo. He says wise things. He says silly things. "Grav" (who we affectionately call Gav) is a youngish guy who holds the title of village idiot. On rare occasions, he comes up with a gem so we've come to adopt him despite his being a 1.8 Scout. We routinely brutalize and browbeat the poor kid, which comes as direct consequence of his routinely saying stupid sh!t. We too wish that Gav would say less stupid sh!t. I am guilty of slinging mud in hopes of prodding Heavies. I'd like to see them step up and take the reigns of their FotM. Many have, but many more have adopted the tanker's "everything is fine"* mantra. We want the same thing, Heavies and Scouts. We want our suits to be spammed less vigorously. This may come in Charlie thanks to Super Assaults. We'll likely hate each other alot less once we share a common, overpowered adversary. Seems like a good time to fade away for a while as I heard what I needed to hear. Just know that i am watching and should blind bigotry rear it's ugly head again insert Schwarzenegger voice here I'LL BE BACK If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1771	Posted - 2014.07.31 03:17:00 - [79] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Again, where the fck have scouts been complaining about heavies? I post a weekly complaint about Heavies. Sometimes two. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Prior to Bravo, I did the same about Tanks. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Now before the fatties in the room rebut, I am very much aware that Scout suits are also spammed. A number of old-school Scouts (myself included) have made every effort to see this corrected. We neither pretend nor claim that "everything is fine" and we call out the FotM chasers who do. We have identified key problems specific to our frame and have proposed to the Devs various means by which to correct them. We do not want the crutch; we do not defend the crutch. Scouts want balance. Because balance is good for Dust. In response to the OP, I would ask two questions: 1) If "everything is fine"* then why are your suits so heavily spammed? 2) If Charlie doesn't fix your spam, what do you and your fellow fatties intend to do about it? I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. When was the heavy flay lock status? Ive seen every single latino corp using them ever since i started. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1772	Posted - 2014.07.31 03:19:00 - [80] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. 1. There has never been a higher profile a scout than Bojo the Mighty. While I cannot speak for the great Bojo himself, I can attest to the judicious and enlightened nature of his uniquely vast wisdom. As such, I cannot imagine that Bojo wishes for craptastic Heavies. To which high profile scouts do you refer? 2. Agreed. I think the Charlie tweaks will be a good start toward bringing an end to FotM status of both my suit and yours. Bojo, gravion, h*ll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Its Gav...Also, if you read what the nerfs are, you'd realize that they really are baby nerfs for a much larger problem. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1773	Posted - 2014.07.31 03:21:00 - [81] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo, gravion, hll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Bojo is Bojo. He says wise things. He says silly things. "Gravion" (who we affectionately call Gav) is a youngish guy who holds the title of village idiot. On rare occasions, he comes up with a gem so we've come to adopt him despite his being a 1.8 Scout. We routinely brutalize and browbeat the poor kid, which comes as direct consequence of his routinely saying stupid sh!t. We too wish that Gav would say less stupid sh!t. I am guilty of slinging mud in hopes of prodding Heavies. I'd like to see them step up and take the reigns of their FotM. Many have, but many more have adopted the tanker's "everything is fine"* mantra. We want the same thing, Heavies and Scouts. We want our suits to be spammed less often, and we want to restore our presently soiled reputations. This may come in Charlie thanks to Super Assaults. We'll likely hate each other alot less once we share a common (likely overpowered) adversary. Thanks for the support Adipem! Also, I'm currently set on the minja active dampening, so you won't hear stupid stuff again until that passes "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1556	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:19:00 - [82] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: I have a better question: When are we going to stop letting pansies hide behind alts? If you want to post something semi-inflamatory OP then you need to man (or woman?) up and post it with your main. Hiding behind your alt only makes your argument seem weaker since it reflects your in ability to own your words. You're just jelly because no one knows you with or without an alt. Funny, but my likes seem to say otherwise, as does my long forum history. On a related note how can I be "jelly?" I am neither made of fruit nor heated with gelatin and lots of sugar until I form a delicious and spreadable gel. Fun > Realism
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:26:00 - [83] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Scouts continue to blight these sacred forums with their presence... My only question is why? Why do we let these wallhaxing invisibrue midgets continue to live... Trust me when HF Charlie hits and they realize that op medium suits are viable again they will be screaming for nerfz on them as well as the poor heaviez. These parasprites on this game will not stop until they can kill any other suit. Join me in stomping this changeling invasion out if you see a scout in FW kill it regardless of blur or reed, and harass the midget 'til he biomasses. END THEIR REIGN OF TERROR AND B*TCHING NOW... Fixed. mwahaha Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:58:00 - [84] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: How can you hate that which YOU created...? I am but nature's balance to YOUR incessant torrent of complaints about the poor heavies. And the best part is soon you will be adding assaults to your nerf hit list once you scouts realize that they are viable again. And I will be there howling with laughter saying I TOLD YOU SO... and that day will be a turning point when the non wallhackers say NO MORE and rise full of just indignation and overthrow the cloaked defilers of this sacred game and you scouts will know the feeling of being truly hunted for the first time. AND WE SHALL WIN!!! I think everyone's problem with you is that, instead of offering ideas to help balance and/or admitting that Heavies are OP/spammed, you insist on believeing that Heavies are being nerfed only due to Scouts QQing. Stop saying they have wallhacks and invisibility, and start offering some real feedback about Scouts/Heavies that makes your opinion worth a damn. I do not seek worth among my peers, as I am but a martyr destined to be used abused and then thrown away... My crusade is to get people to wake up and REALIZE that screaming for nerfs just because the meta shifts slightly out of your favor is WRONG. Alas though, I fear my job will never be done as scouts, even with the incoming CPU PG and HMG nerfs, still cry for MORE NERFS before even letting the current changes be felt. Thus I shall continue to remind them that they are not the only ones who can whine, moan and fling poo to get what they want. I am merely less subtle about it... Dude you're not freaking Batman "The Dark Knight" alright....seriously "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1110	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:00:00 - [85] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Infine Sentinel wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Scouts continue to blight these sacred forums with their presence... My only question is why? Why do we let these wallhacking invisible midgets continue to live... Trust me when HF Charlie hits and they realize that medium suits are viable again they will be screaming for nerfs on them as well as the poor heavies. These parasites on this game will not stop until they can kill any other suit. Join me in stomping this infestation out if you see a scout in FW kill it regardless of blue or red and harass the midget till he biomasses. END THEIR REIGN OF TERROR AND B*TCHING NOW... But... If all the scouts die, Who will kill the heavy's? Scouts lost that right when they decided to kill the heavy via nerfs rather then fighting honorably on the battle field... So stand still, in a line, and fire away at each other. Is that honorable combat? Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1110	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:00:00 - [86] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: I have a better question: When are we going to stop letting pansies hide behind alts? If you want to post something semi-inflamatory OP then you need to man (or woman?) up and post it with your main. Hiding behind your alt only makes your argument seem weaker since it reflects your in ability to own your words. You're just jelly because no one knows you with or without an alt. Funny, but my likes seem to say otherwise, as does my long forum history. On a related note how can I be "jelly?" I am neither made of fruit nor heated with gelatin and lots of sugar until I form a delicious and spreadable gel. Hmm, jelly. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:07:00 - [87] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Again, where the fck have scouts been complaining about heavies? I post a weekly complaint about Heavies. Sometimes two. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Prior to Bravo, I did the same about Tanks. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Now before the fatties in the room rebut, I am very much aware that Scout suits are also spammed. A number of old-school Scouts (myself included) have made every effort to see this corrected. We neither pretend nor claim that "everything is fine" and we call out the FotM chasers who do. We have identified key problems specific to our frame and have proposed to the Devs various means by which to correct them. We do not want the crutch; we do not defend the crutch. Scouts want balance. Because balance is good for Dust. In response to the OP, I would ask two questions: 1) If "everything is fine"* then why are your suits so heavily spammed? 2) If Charlie doesn't fix your spam, what do you and your fellow fatties intend to do about it? I'm mildly glad you asked... 1) I never claimed everything was "fine" my bile and hatred are directed solely at those who want the heavy to go BACK to flaylock status(currently certain high profile scouts) 2) I firmly believe that the number of militia and light weapon heavy users will drop especially since the heavy weapon fitting bonus is only for the sentinel and the lowered cpu pg will not allow both a proto light weapon and full proto modules. then again wait till the hotfix drops see where the first couple of weeks go. 1. When did we ever say we wanted heavies to go back to "flaylock status?" 2. Actually you are claiming everything is fine for the heavies, and you want the "wallhacking" scouts to be nerfed and stfu about QQ. Essentially you're advocating for the reverse of what the community wants in order to further advance your position/gameplay in Dust leaving it even more unbalanced than it is. 3. Well it's pretty obvious why HMG users will grow, because it's the most powerful weapon in the game. The RoF and DPS outrank every other weapon, and it's essentially like a mega CR or SMG. Of course there are some drawbacks to using the weapon, but they certainly don't outweigh the advantages or else why would so many people spam the **** out of this weapon? "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:11:00 - [88] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo, gravion, hll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Bojo is Bojo. He says wise things. He says silly things. "Gravion" (who we affectionately call Gav) is a youngish guy who holds the title of village idiot. On rare occasions, he comes up with a gem so we've come to adopt him despite his being a 1.8 Scout. We routinely brutalize and browbeat the poor kid, which comes as direct consequence of his routinely saying stupid sh!t. We too wish that Gav would say less stupid sh!t. I am guilty of slinging mud in hopes of prodding Heavies. I'd like to see them step up and take the reigns of their FotM. Many have, but many more have adopted the tanker's "everything is fine"* mantra. We want the same thing, Heavies and Scouts. We want our suits to be spammed less often, and we want to restore our presently soiled reputations. This may come in Charlie thanks to Super Assaults. We'll likely hate each other alot less once we share a common (likely overpowered) adversary. Thanks for the support Adipem! Also, I'm currently set on the minja active dampening, so you won't hear stupid stuff again until that passes Wait...I advocated for Minja Active Dampening first....don't plagiarize Gav! lol...jk..................................................................................................................but still...............................................................................................................give me some credit. =P "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1775	Posted - 2014.07.31 16:15:00 - [89] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo, gravion, hll even you have made posts after the charlie tweaks were announced and grav for a fact wants further nerfs.... Bojo is Bojo. He says wise things. He says silly things. "Gravion" (who we affectionately call Gav) is a youngish guy who holds the title of village idiot. On rare occasions, he comes up with a gem so we've come to adopt him despite his being a 1.8 Scout. We routinely brutalize and browbeat the poor kid, which comes as direct consequence of his routinely saying stupid sh!t. We too wish that Gav would say less stupid sh!t. I am guilty of slinging mud in hopes of prodding Heavies. I'd like to see them step up and take the reigns of their FotM. Many have, but many more have adopted the tanker's "everything is fine"* mantra. We want the same thing, Heavies and Scouts. We want our suits to be spammed less often, and we want to restore our presently soiled reputations. This may come in Charlie thanks to Super Assaults. We'll likely hate each other alot less once we share a common (likely overpowered) adversary. Thanks for the support Adipem! Also, I'm currently set on the minja active dampening, so you won't hear stupid stuff again until that passes Wait...I advocated for Minja Active Dampening first....don't plagiarize Gav! lol...jk..................................................................................................................but still...............................................................................................................give me some credit. =P I do give you credit!! Ill add your name to my sig, if i have the space "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:13:00 - [90] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Again, where the fck have scouts been complaining about heavies? I post a weekly complaint about Heavies. Sometimes two. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Prior to Bravo, I did the same about Tanks. Because Spam and the common claim that "everything is fine". Now before the fatties in the room rebut, I am very much aware that Scout suits are also spammed. A number of old-school Scouts (myself included) have made every effort to see this corrected. We neither pretend nor claim that "everything is fine" and we call out the FotM chasers who do. We have identified key problems specific to our frame and have proposed to the Devs various means by which to correct them. We do not want the crutch; we do not defend the crutch. Scouts want balance. Because balance is good for Dust. In response to the OP, I would ask two questions: 1) If "everything is fine"* then why are your suits so heavily spammed? 2) If Charlie doesn't fix your spam, what do you and your fellow fatties intend to do about it? How is either suit being spammed is my question. Is spam considered someones role in the battlefield? I never see teams of 16v16 in heavy suits, or scout suits. Tanks spam was an issue, but I don't see this 'spam' of infantry suits being true or valid. Frankly, if you're having that much trouble with heavies, you're just not that good at this game. Sorry, but the only thing I see is a whiner who wants to falsify and stretch their words to support their argument. All I see in this game now is a major diversity of play styles. At no point for the past few months have I seen an extreme of spamming, unless it was Latino Killers on the enemy team, but they've always been that way. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.



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