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Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4650	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:14:00 - [1] - Quote I am Bojo and I represent the prosecution; scouts. The common argument from the defendants, heavies, is that they require a super high dps weapon to counter shotgun scouts because shotgun scouts will, quote "just two shot them". Your honor, I have here, exhibit A & B. Exhibit A is the Creodron shotgun. It deals a DPS of 754.25. It has a damage profile of -10% Armor +10% Shields. It costs 93 CPU & 14 PG. It has a useful range of about 10 meters.This is the tool commonly used by the prosecution, to persecute heavies. Now, your honor, I unleash upon the court exhibit B. Exhibit B is the Boundless Heavy Machine gun. It deals a DPS of 792 and has a damage profile of -5% shields +10% armor. It also only costs 92 CPU & 10 PG. It has a useful range of up to forty meters, target dependent. Your honor, as you can see here, the defendants have a weapon that is blatantly better than the prosecutions. It is less fitting intensive, has higher range, higher DPS, and given server circumstances it's higher RoF can beat broken hit detection better than a shotgun. Now, your honor, please read over exhibit C. It is a maximum HP comparison between scouts and heavies. The hotfix charlie defendants will have HP upward of 1866.6. That does not factor in at all the splash resistances and other resistances granted to the heavy. Now compare that to the maximum HP of the Amarr scout: 1026.7. While that number is field-tested to be a ****** scout, we will prosecute with the notion that it is as viable as any fit. Now your honor seeing as how the heavy fits the HMG and the scout fits the shotgun: Prosecution is outranged, outdps'd, and out HP'd by the heavy. Your honor even should we consider the radar advantage of the prosecution & other realistic factors the realism of a scout using 1026.7 HP is not there. We are considering these two, the prosecution & the defendant, mano y mano. Realistically the prosecution could gain the first strike your honor, but the realism of this fit in particular is just not there making the HP gap all the more greater and the advantage all the more so in favor of the defendant. Prosecution rests your honor. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1735	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:19:00 - [2] - Quote INB4 Heavies with no gun-game claim that they need it "cuz scount OP". I ran a MLT HMG heavy today, and found it a better slayer than my proto minja. I think the reason that so many of the heavies complain is because they use the suit like they're superman and don't rely upon gun game and strafing. I tried running like rambo with my HMG heavy, and it wasn't successful. I tried running like a minja with my heavy, and I was successful, due to strafe+800 DPS death ray. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 6262	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote I love you bojo. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4657	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:38:00 - [4] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I love you bojo. <3 Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2223	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:44:00 - [5] - Quote Heavies aren't fun to deal with these days but I don't mind going against a good heavy. That being said, I wish there was a way to get scrubs out of the suit. Especially scrubs with rifles. Hey, actually that's exactly what I think about scouts. Dang. INB4 "You forgot to mention the EZ mode, scrub cloak that all skill-less wall hack scouts use to cheat" Double posting like a Kaiser.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3713	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:44:00 - [6] - Quote There's a militia hmg? Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 171	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote Your honor please realise that even if the SG isnt a counter, which has proven usefull many times on the battlefield just examine kill feeds, there are many other counters Remote Explosives Any rifile at range Flanking The heavy suit also have flaws Larger hitboxes Very slow No dampening Low range The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. PS: I love roleplay... QQ has impressed me for once... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3389	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:44:00 - [8] - Quote 10 Meters!? Efficacy readout starts to drop at 5m. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 700	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:48:00 - [9] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? Yes, but you can only equip it on a Pilot Dropsuit on the Caldari Production Facility map. Who farted?
MythTanker Haus of Triage 171	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:49:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? Yea man i heard Gav killed a full proto squad of ERA one time, then he proceeded to kill 3 tanks and a MCC with it... No there isn MLT HMG he just needed to make the HMG sound OP The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4661	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:00:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: 10 Meters!? Efficacy readout starts to drop at 5m. Prosecution is generous. Your honor, please recognize that radar does not distinguish suits meaning that the prosecution is unaware if they are dealing with a defendant or a bystander until visual contact is made. Let it also be known that heavies can use any and every weapon in the game, thus any range counter is purely to the HMG and not to the defendant themselves. Your honor the prosecution will admit that shotguns are easy to use once in proper range, much like the HMG. Very little aim is necessary thus hitbox size does not discern an advantage against the shotgun, similar to how the smaller hitbox of the prosecution does not discern an advantage against the large cone of the HMG. Prosecution admits to using remote explosives but does not see how they are a prosecution specific problem, seeing as how they can be fit and used by any other suit shy of sentinels and heavy basic frames. At most, your honor, the remote explosive will deal 1750 damage which is countered by the 1866.6 HP & splash resistance of the defendant your honor. Prosecution rests. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1739	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:04:00 - [12] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? The republic one is what i call the MLT HMG because it requires no skills. (Just like all the HMG's ) PS: I also said militia HMG HEAVY which refers to the suit. Sorry for the confusion. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1739	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:09:00 - [13] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? Yea man i heard Gav killed a full proto squad of ERA one time, then he proceeded to kill 3 tanks and a MCC with it... No that was my melee fit scout. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4661	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:10:00 - [14] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: MythTanker wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? Yea man i heard Gav killed a full proto squad of ERA one time, then he proceeded to kill 3 tanks and a MCC with it... No that was my melee fit scout. Prosecution motions for a DPLAK Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 172	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:20:00 - [15] - Quote Your honor let it be known that when a suit is scanned that the prosecution can see excatly where the defendant is facing so that a sneaky and close ranged attack can occur which ties into... Your honor let it be known that when the prosecution is in close range that with SP invested of course can kill the defendant in 2 shots with its SG, if done properly of course... Your honor let it be known that yes a heavy can use weapons with range, but not only is it ineffective but it takes away from the CQC role and makes them into a slow, big, undampened target... Your honor let it be known that a Remote explosive can kill most tanked suits and if not the inflicted suit can die swiftly from a few round with no effort required... PS: Keep it coming The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:21:00 - [16] - Quote Your Honor, the Jury, and rest of the court: I, following the prosecution, will state my case: In addition to the great Bojo, it should be noted that the damage taken from the HMG isn't noticed until after a few seconds, meaning that even though a player may be behind cover, it would seem as if he/she is taking damage behind that cover. This is not only deceiving but unreasonably accepted. Although this isn't the largest issue at hand, it definitely seems to be an important one. Futhermore many maps involve CQC, even if you are more than 35 m away from the HMG, it's DPS will defeat the player due to it's excellent range ability that isn't achieved with the shotgun, which can't even do damage more than 7 m. Again, eHP and DPS puts the scouts at a disadvantage. While this next point is only partially the heavies fault, Shared Squad Vision destroys the scout's EWAR capabilities and makes it even more easy for Heavies to take down scouts. And finally the court should acknowledge; we all love Bojo. I rest my case. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1743	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:25:00 - [17] - Quote Your honor, let it be known that the capacity for a close quarters weapon that is not of the plasma cannon class it is physically impossible to proverbially "2-shot" any heavy suit above the grade of militia. These are lies that are either spread ignorantly or maliciously, and if it would please your honor, i shall do the proverbial math at a later date decided upon by this court. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4676	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor let it be known that when a suit is scanned that the prosecution can see excatly where the defendant is facing so that a sneaky and close ranged attack can occur which ties into... Your honor let it be known that when the prosecution is in close range that with SP invested of course can kill the defendant in 2 shots with its SG, if done properly of course... Your honor let it be known that yes a heavy can use weapons with range, but not only is it ineffective but it takes away from the CQC role and makes them into a slow, big, undampened target... Your honor let it be known that a Remote explosive can kill most tanked suits and if not the inflicted suit can die swiftly from a few round with no effort required... Objection your honor : Speculation Proven time and time again that a heavy with a rail rifle is a super viable option and nowhere in development is the heavy referred to as a CQC suit. Especially considering forge gun tower snipers. Objection your honor : Misleading speech Second 1 will deplete shields and eat some armor. Second 2 will eat some armor but not the rest. Second 3 will finally finish a defendant. Defendant is using a misleading assumption that prosecution is landing headshots while defendant is not. Prosecution admits scanning point. It is an advantage we have, it makes up for our lack of health; by design & intent. Your honor defendant is differing from original suit of 1866 HP. It will take more than one remote to in fact kill that specific defendant. If the defendants continue to pursue alternate scenarios prosecution will revert to 200 HP suit as scenario for prosecution. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 173	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:34:00 - [19] - Quote Your honor it is not the heavies fault for any bugs to do with the damage delay of the HMG... Your honor the optimal of an HMG is 40m but if you take into consideration that dispersion lowers the dps... Even so the HMG will still kill at that range if you're standing still or a low hp scout, that might sound like a disadvantage but if you are caught due to the fact that heavies can not scan, then that means uou have failed at your job. Any Suit/weapon can kill youat that range, simply up your stealth skills... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 173	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:40:00 - [20] - Quote youe honoe has a shotgun scout since a while, with the newhotfix charlie, with the change to the heavy i think we will have a nice fix and balance in my opinion French Canadian Scrubs scout

Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2035	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:41:00 - [21] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Your honor, let it be known that the capacity for a close quarters weapon that is not of the plasma cannon class it is physically impossible to proverbially "2-shot" any heavy suit above the grade of militia. These are lies that are either spread ignorantly or maliciously, and if it would please your honor, i shall do the proverbial math at a later date decided upon by this court. In addition, due to relatively poor hit detection, the damage of afore mentioned close quarters weaponry is lower than the estimated output. Interjection on a point of law. The crown wishes it to be noted that the Nova Knife is capable of a "2-shot" of any grade suit, at extreme CQC range. While not strictly relevant to the current discussion, the correct forms should be observed. Knowledge is power
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4680	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:42:00 - [22] - Quote Morathi III wrote: youe honoe has a shotgun scout since a while, with the newhotfix charlie, with the change to the heavy i think we will have a nice fix and balance in my opinion Prosecution is using, in fact, the defendant from hot fix charlie as example. In hotfix charlie, while defendants will justly lose CPU/PG, will have an all new potential of 1866 HP without resistances factored. While prosecution shares your sentiments, there will in fact be a pinnacle of HP for the defendants. Prosecution does not prosecute defendants for that case, merely that their QQ is unjustified both against Charlie hotfix and shotgun scouts. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
mollerz 4472	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:50:00 - [23] - Quote Brokerib wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Your honor, let it be known that the capacity for a close quarters weapon that is not of the plasma cannon class it is physically impossible to proverbially "2-shot" any heavy suit above the grade of militia. These are lies that are either spread ignorantly or maliciously, and if it would please your honor, i shall do the proverbial math at a later date decided upon by this court. In addition, due to relatively poor hit detection, the damage of afore mentioned close quarters weaponry is lower than the estimated output. Interjection on a point of law. The crown wishes it to be noted that the Nova Knife is capable of a "2-shot" of any grade suit, at extreme CQC range. While not strictly relevant to the current discussion, the correct forms should be observed. Objection! After the first of two needed hits lands upon an experienced proto heavy, he can backpedal faster than you can attack forward with nova knives effectively rendering them one hit weapons with no possibility of killing. Also known as less than lethal. Judge looks down from bench and takes off reading glasses, "OVER RULED, Brokerib. And next time don't ignore state's evidence submitted many times in barbershop mediations, ON RECORD, or I will hold you in contempt." Dingle Dust Berry.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1946	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:59:00 - [24] - Quote Speaking on behalf of all medium Frames you're both OP. I've already filed a restraining order. All Light and Heavy Frames are required to remain outside 600 meters from any Medium Frame. My Sentinel Main and Minja ALT are disappointed. While the Logi ALT is somewhat anguished at our failures to get along. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:03:00 - [25] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Morathi III wrote: youe honoe has a shotgun scout since a while, with the newhotfix charlie, with the change to the heavy i think we will have a nice fix and balance in my opinion Prosecution is using, in fact, the defendant from hot fix charlie as example. In hotfix charlie, while defendants will justly lose CPU/PG, will have an all new potential of 1866 HP without resistances factored. While prosecution shares your sentiments, there will in fact be a pinnacle of HP for the defendants. Prosecution does not prosecute defendants for that case, merely that their QQ is unjustified both against Charlie hotfix and shotgun scouts. attack when is near to overheat or when he will get distract by the new revamped assault are two new way to kill them use our environement & situation of weakness im sure you will doing well old war veteran has you are your honor French Canadian Scrubs scout
mollerz 4475	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:06:00 - [26] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Speaking on behalf of all medium Frames you're both OP. I've already filed a restraining order. All Light and Heavy Frames are required to remain outside 600 meters from any Medium Frame. Wut wut! Dingle Dust Berry.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2038	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:06:00 - [27] - Quote mollerz wrote: Brokerib wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Your honor, let it be known that the capacity for a close quarters weapon that is not of the plasma cannon class it is physically impossible to proverbially "2-shot" any heavy suit above the grade of militia. These are lies that are either spread ignorantly or maliciously, and if it would please your honor, i shall do the proverbial math at a later date decided upon by this court. In addition, due to relatively poor hit detection, the damage of afore mentioned close quarters weaponry is lower than the estimated output. Interjection on a point of law. The crown wishes it to be noted that the Nova Knife is capable of a "2-shot" of any grade suit, at extreme CQC range. While not strictly relevant to the current discussion, the correct forms should be observed. Objection! After the first of two needed hits lands upon an experienced proto heavy, he can backpedal faster than you can attack forward with nova knives effectively rendering them one hit weapons with no possibility of killing. Also known as less than lethal. Judge looks down from bench and takes off reading glasses, "OVER RULED, Brokerib. And next time don't ignore state's evidence submitted many times in barbershop mediations, ON RECORD, or I will hold, you in contempt." As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid. The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist. Knowledge is power
Zindorak 1.U.P 193	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:06:00 - [28] - Quote people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
MythTanker Haus of Triage 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:13:00 - [29] - Quote Your honor a rifle heavy has been known to be viable AT RANGE, but what happens when a SG scout approaches the defendant and due to his slow suit can not strafe as fast and renders him useless... The defendant has agreed that it will take up to but only 3 shots to kill him with the SG, however the prosecution has admitted that they get the first shot most of the time so 2 more should be no problem... Your honor let it be known that Remote explosives are a very powerful device and the only time it will fail is when it hits one of the most tanked suits just like a Hp stacking, strafing, SG scout who again only need 3 shots while normally giving the first one... Both counters can be countered... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3396	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:13:00 - [30] - Quote Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Zindorak 1.U.P 193	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:15:00 - [31] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
MythTanker Haus of Triage 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:16:00 - [32] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. The SG argument was put forth by the prosecution, therefore will be discussed The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3396	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that If it pleases the court, I'll rephrase: If it survived the first shotgun blast, a combat rifle would've killed it quicker. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
MythTanker Haus of Triage 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:29:00 - [34] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Morathi III wrote: youe honoe has a shotgun scout since a while, with the newhotfix charlie, with the change to the heavy i think we will have a nice fix and balance in my opinion Prosecution is using, in fact, the defendant from hot fix charlie as example. In hotfix charlie, while defendants will justly lose CPU/PG, will have an all new potential of 1866 HP without resistances factored. While prosecution shares your sentiments, there will in fact be a pinnacle of HP for the defendants. Prosecution does not prosecute defendants for that case, merely that their QQ is unjustified both against Charlie hotfix and shotgun scouts. Obection: Misleading representation. Your honor the defendant has been confused with FOTM chasers who have QQ about recent fixes... The defendant has agreed to the fix and believes it is necessary for balance... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3029	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:41:00 - [35] - Quote Your honor, I need to pee.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 175	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:45:00 - [36] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Your honor, I need to pee. Overuled someone put this **** bastard in jail The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
MythTanker Haus of Triage 175	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:48:00 - [37] - Quote MythTanker wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Your honor, I need to pee. Overuled someone put this **** bastard in jail That moment when that word N A Z I is censored and bastard isnt The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4690	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:17:00 - [38] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor a rifle heavy has been known to be viable AT RANGE, but what happens when a SG scout approaches the defendant and due to his slow suit can not strafe as fast and renders him useless... Your honor let it be known that Remote explosives are a very powerful device and the only time it will fail is when it hits one of the most tanked suits just like a Hp stacking, strafing, SG scout who again only need 3 shots while normally giving the first one... Both counters can be countered... Your honor, referencing previous court case, the famous Rifle v. Shotgun, it was ruled that no matter the suit, be it the defendant or the prosecutor or bystander, in Rifle v. Shotgun it is a universal problem that does not discriminate amongst suits and thus is not restricted to the defendant. We motion that defendants statement be dismissed on those grounds. Members of the jury, we see again the ignorance of the defendant. While the defendant's claims that a shotgun can 3 shot a heavy suit are true, it was previously shown, exhibit A, that it takes just under 3 seconds to persecute the defendant with a CreoDron and it takes just over 1 second from the defendant to dispose of the prosecution. . . . . members of the jury do not let yourselves be mislead by the carefully chosen words of the defendant, carefully chosen words meant to mislead you to the conclusion that shotgun is better than HMG. Do not be lulled by curving words members of the jury. Prosecution calls Xoyocaul to the stand your honor... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 383	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:17:00 - [39] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? He meant militia Minmatar heavy frame with hmg. I was running with him, he was using militia heavy with kincats and basic hmg. He was annihilating peeps with no logi support. Was pretty funny listening to him on comms the whole time. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 33	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:19:00 - [40] - Quote Your honor, I rest my god damn mother ******* case. Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.

Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 383	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:19:00 - [41] - Quote MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
MythTanker Haus of Triage 176	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:46:00 - [42] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? Idk fix the assault maybe or balance CPU/PG so you have to invest SP The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
mollerz 4483	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:51:00 - [43] - Quote Brokerib wrote: As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid. The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist. No wonder we yanks kicked the crown's ass! JUDGE SLAMS HIS GAVEL REPEATEDLY UNTIL BROKEN- "Mollerz, that is out of order! If you want to be in contempt, tha tis how you get in contempt!" Sorry your, honer. Judge GLARES. "Again, I must object, your hon0r.. 'cough' As the argument of immersion and the balance against that with draconian-like reality breaking implementations of game mechanics was rebutted, again in the shop- which we all know is a binding mediation avenue.. one which has mitigated a lot of damage to new eden over all before it spilled into war zones I might stress, yet was never addressed by Brokerib" Judge, without a word, motions to the twin Amarrian bailiffs. Both saunter over and grab Brokerib. Judge reiterates, "We'll hear your rebuttal to the dismantling of the notion of "realism" being an argument." Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 4483	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:54:00 - [44] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? That would not be my choice of a fix. Dingle Dust Berry.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 176	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:10:00 - [45] - Quote Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3719	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:30:00 - [46] - Quote I declare a miss trial. Not a single expert witness was called! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 586	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:38:00 - [47] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor -Members of the jury stand up and clap. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4699	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:43:00 - [48] - Quote Members of the jury, look beyond puppets and into the masters. Go beyond arguments, and delve into matters with your own hands. Look upon the battlefield and you will find the answers the prosecution has brought here. I want you, community, jury, to be an astute hawk and pick out details. Balance operates in minute changes best and we the prosecution are glad to see charlie on its way, however we ask that you investigate rather than ride a wave of tears. Prosecution wants the community to realize that logic is running it's course as is. Heavies are not victims. Scouts are not victims. They are pieces of the game and when one does not work for the better who wants to use any piece but that piece? Let's progress towards a healthier ecosystem. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 975	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:18:00 - [49] - Quote Hands the judge a piece of paper with the words "you forgot about shared passive scans" scrawled in what appears to be blood but more disturbingly isn't. The judge discards the disgusting document and has Bayeth removed from the court. We'll bang, OK?
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 707	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:19:00 - [50] - Quote Judge not, lest ye molest yeself. Who farted?

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4706	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:20:00 - [51] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Hands the judge a piece of paper with the words "you forgot about shared passive scans" scrawled in what appears to be blood but more disturbingly isn't. The judge discards the disgusting document and has Bayeth removed from the court. We all wish we could get those removed Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:30:00 - [52] - Quote Your Honor, I would like to point out that all Heavies without exception are known to be stupid dumb dumbs. They are also big meanies. That is all. P.S. They are the source of tooth decay. Plz Nerf.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:52:00 - [53] - Quote BURSTS THROUGH DOOR IN KOOL-AID MAN FASHION Judge I call into question the character of the prosecution's star lawyer he may sound reasonable here but he recently ransacked my thread and this is what the security cameras caught Bojo The Mighty wrote: Shameless Alt was just a little boy, picking his nose and wiping it on his jeans. Then his father, drunk with madness and vodka, came running through the door. He looked upon Shameless Alt's pants with rage, spying the booger. "No Papa!" the boy cried, but his father's wrath was inevitable. He dragged Shameless Alt by the hand and bounded him into a chair. He wheeled a TV in front, swigging vodka as he did. "You wanna pick your nose?!" he yelled. Shameless burst into tears. "No papa, please! Let me go! Let me go!" Shameless sobbed. His father then turned on the TV For 36 hours Shameless was strapped to the chair, watching every single Kevin Bacon appearance ever....he was never the same. Some say he would later take out his issues on others, calling them insects and the like.... DO YOU HONESTLY WANT A CRETIN LIKE THAT IN COURT???! If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2041	Posted - 2014.07.30 10:43:00 - [54] - Quote mollerz wrote: Brokerib wrote: As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid. The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist. No wonder we yanks kicked the crown's ass! JUDGE SLAMS HIS GAVEL REPEATEDLY UNTIL BROKEN- "Mollerz, that is out of order! If you want to be in contempt, tha tis how you get in contempt!" Sorry your, honer. Judge GLARES. "Again, I must object, your hon0r.. 'cough' As the argument of immersion and the balance against that with draconian-like reality breaking implementations of game mechanics was rebutted, again in the shop- which we all know is a binding mediation avenue.. one which has mitigated a lot of damage to new eden over all before it spilled into war zones I might stress, yet was never addressed by Brokerib" Judge, without a word, motions to the twin Amarrian bailiffs. Both saunter over and grab Brokerib. Judge reiterates, "We'll hear your rebuttal to the dismantling of the notion of "realism" being an argument." Brokerib re-enters the court through the door to the Judges chambers, wearing a tailored cloak apparently cut from an Amarrian bailiff. Your honour, I object! While the crown recognises the use of the shop in setting precedent in ratio decidendi judgements, this argument has no bearing on the matter at hand, and will be dealt with in the court of mediation... I instead implore the court to recognise prior tempore potior iure, in the form of the abstraction of concepts in matters of theorycrafting. Theorycrafting has traditionally been considered to be undertaken in ideal environments, with all external and incalculable influences removed. It is generally accepted that the consideration of real word playstyles or individual player skill in theorycrafting arguments constitutes a breach of etiquette, and most assuredly results in the realisation of Godwin's law. I request that the honourable counsels statements be striken from the record and we return to the matter at hand...and recognise that Nova Knives are indeed mathamatically capable to a "two shot" kill of dropsuits of any make and fit. Knowledge is power
Cass Caul 68	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:30:00 - [55] - Quote When I saw the title of "Legal Suit" I was really hoping for an Officer or AUR variant dropsuit proposal. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:44:00 - [56] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor it is not the heavies fault for any bugs to do with the damage delay of the HMG... Your honor the optimal of an HMG is 40m but if you take into consideration that dispersion lowers the dps... Even so the HMG will still kill at that range if you're standing still or a low hp scout, that might sound like a disadvantage but if you are caught due to the fact that heavies can not scan, then that means uou have failed at your job. Any Suit/weapon can kill youat that range, simply up your stealth skills... Your honor imagine the dropoff for the shotgun, 3 shots doesn't even defeat heavies due to poor hit detection and disadvantage against armor. Clearly the DPS of HMG is much more potent than not just the Shotgun, but any other weapon in the game, and frankly, a little too much. I now turn to the Jury: If Hotfix Charlie sees no significant change in Heavy population/HMG Spam, then Hotfix Delta must attend to the problems, yet again. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:48:00 - [57] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: BURSTS THROUGH DOOR IN KOOL-AID MAN FASHION Judge I call into question the character of the prosecution's star lawyer he may sound reasonable here but he recently ransacked my thread and this is what the security cameras caught Bojo The Mighty wrote: Shameless Alt was just a little boy, picking his nose and wiping it on his jeans. Then his father, drunk with madness and vodka, came running through the door. He looked upon Shameless Alt's pants with rage, spying the booger. "No Papa!" the boy cried, but his father's wrath was inevitable. He dragged Shameless Alt by the hand and bounded him into a chair. He wheeled a TV in front, swigging vodka as he did. "You wanna pick your nose?!" he yelled. Shameless burst into tears. "No papa, please! Let me go! Let me go!" Shameless sobbed. His father then turned on the TV For 36 hours Shameless was strapped to the chair, watching every single Kevin Bacon appearance ever....he was never the same. Some say he would later take out his issues on others, calling them insects and the like.... DO YOU HONESTLY WANT A CRETIN LIKE THAT IN COURT???! Your Honor, I believe the defense has just humiliated himself in spite of his attempt to debunk the prosecutions credibility. The main prosecutor, Bojo, was stating the facts at the time, which futher embarrases Shameless Alt. Furthermore, Relevance? What does this have to do anything with the Scout v. Heavy issue? Even more, Slander? Defense is now left to relying on slandering the prosecution because he knows his case is useless. I advocate for the defense to be held under contempt. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3407	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:43:00 - [58] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor Core Mechanics - Beyond reach of hotfix Balance Issues - Within reach of hotfix * If this weren't the case, I'd agree with your closing. As it is the case, all we can debate now is balance. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2300	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:06:00 - [59] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Members of the jury, look beyond puppets and into the masters. Go beyond arguments, and delve into matters with your own hands. Look upon the battlefield and you will find the answers the prosecution has brought here. I want you, community, jury, to be an astute hawk and pick out details. Balance operates in minute changes best and we the prosecution are glad to see charlie on its way, however we ask that you investigate rather than ride a wave of tears. Prosecution wants the community to realize that logic is running it's course as is. Heavies are not victims. Scouts are not victims. They are pieces of the game and when one does not work for the better who wants to use any piece but that piece? Let's progress towards a healthier ecosystem. MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasn't even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor I actually think scouts should be the natural, and effective, counter to the sentinel dropsuit. Sentinels should fear the scout, just as much as the mediums fear the sentinel. That being said... MythTanker's closing was better, hands down. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1233	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:07:00 - [60] - Quote I plead insanity "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1246	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:08:00 - [61] - Quote I went 38-2 last night using the Boundless HMG. If this scrub can do that, it must be OP. On a related note: My two deaths? Scouts with shotguns.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11394	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:08:00 - [62] - Quote Your honor, I will give the prosecution a "like", as he has sufficiently amused me. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1008	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:10:00 - [63] - Quote HMG is better than shotgun but there aren't any invisible heavies. SG is not OP, cloak-SG is OP. Well, HMG is a little too. Because, that's why.
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 103	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:10:00 - [64] - Quote "bojo calls first witness" headbust to stand. bojo"- headbust how long have u been a shotty scout headbust"- since closed beta sir. bojo"- so wat is ur opinion on this matter headbust"- well sir i know for sure the only heavies i've ever 2 shot is militia and low level minimatar. it takes between 4-5 good hits on a armored heavy. and since everyone's turn speed was equalized the heavy can be turned around and straffeing after my second shot and i usually have 300 ehp so if it turns around that fast and gets a lock on me im done for. bojo"- ok headbust any rebuddle to the EWAR advantage comment? headbust"- yes, i have to use it to get around a heavy wat do u want me to do charge in there with my shotty head on i wont get 1 shot in bojo"- thank u headbust. Your honor the prosecutions rests a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11394	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:11:00 - [65] - Quote Your honor, I am a cat. Case cloesd. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 103	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:18:00 - [66] - Quote this is how all future discussions should be lol a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 997	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:21:00 - [67] - Quote Your honor, as a logi whom looks at the battlefield as an ISK buffet, I would like to say that we can all agree that it is both the HMG militia heavy and shotty scout that are scrub lords. We should ridicule them both, indiscriminately, and often. Also my *****, if it pleases the court.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1758	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:30:00 - [68] - Quote Your Honor, here is my evidence. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand Give the Minja active dampening!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 189	Posted - 2014.07.30 16:01:00 - [69] - Quote All disputes aside id like to thank the prosecution for a fun thread O7 The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 3969	Posted - 2014.07.30 16:07:00 - [70] - Quote Logi here. I think both scouts and heavies are talking crap and both whining. I also run both of those as well lol. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.

Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5756	Posted - 2014.07.30 16:08:00 - [71] - Quote but but but cloaks hide scouts if you're legally blind! pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2189	Posted - 2014.07.30 16:26:00 - [72] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Judge not, lest ye molest yeself. I finally laughed Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
headbust SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 105	Posted - 2014.07.30 16:44:00 - [73] - Quote MythTanker wrote: All disputes aside id like to thank the prosecution for a fun thread O7 07 a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4067	Posted - 2014.07.30 17:00:00 - [75] - Quote Take away the resistance to explosives. Being able to spam MD wherever they are held up would do wonders. I was very surprised when I used my MD in a couple of PCs at how impossible it is to finish off heavies who are being repped. Like 10% armor and you can't out DPS the reps due to the resistances. Level 4 Forum Warrior Currently on a quest to get all suits to ADV (8 remaining) PSN: wbrom42
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4743	Posted - 2014.07.30 17:18:00 - [76] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Take away the resistance to explosives. Being able to spam MD wherever they are held up would do wonders. I was very surprised when I used my MD in a couple of PCs at how impossible it is to finish off heavies who are being repped. Like 10% armor and you can't out DPS the reps due to the resistances. Will the bailiff please remove the witness. He will not participate in role play, your honor. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1811	Posted - 2014.07.30 17:22:00 - [77] - Quote Sad to say when you wake up from your dream court Dust will still be Dust Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3990	Posted - 2014.07.30 17:46:00 - [78] - Quote Your honor! The Defense maintains that the current imbalance in Scout vs Sentinel engagements is largely a result of shared passive scans! Why, just this morning I saw on my radar a Gallente Shotgun Scout sneaking up behind me. I turned around and engaged him at his max range before he even got a shot off. That should not happen unless an active scanner is used. The Defense also contends that the Scout has the advantage over a Sentinel inside of 5m as they can fairly successfully avoid the Sentinels HMG fire. This advantage will only be enhanced with the Heat Buildup changes of Hot Fix Charlie, as Sentinels will no longer be able to just aim at head height, hold the trigger down, and spin in circles hoping to get a head shot. When HMGGÇÖs have to be fired in bursts to avoid Overheat, they will have to work a lot harder to counter Scouts closer than 5m. The noob Sentinels may even Overheat in their panic, making themselves an easy kill. ...And your honor, "panic" truly is the best description of a Sentinel's reaction to finding a Scout engaging at such close range. The Defense maintains that poste Hotfix Charlie the Scouts will have the advantage over Sentinels at under 5m, and that the most important change needed to balance Scouts vs Sentinels is the removal of shared Passive Scans so that Scouts can get into their 5m engagement range without worrying about their Sentinel targets being tipped off to their presence. The Defense realizes that the removal of shared passive scans will significantly reduce Sentinel kill counts and slightly increase Sentinel death rates, but we the Defense are willing to make these sacrifices for the public good. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Zindorak 1.U.P 194	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:16:00 - [79] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that If it pleases the court, I'll rephrase: If it survived the first shotgun blast, a combat rifle would've killed it quicker. Not nessicarilly true. If your are approaching a sentinel from behind and using a Six kin CR for example and u start shooting at him he will probably notice and turn around and vapourize you even though you are jumping and strafing like crazy by when he is at half armor at the latest. Now with a CreoDron SG you have the same approach you start shooting the heavy will be looking around frantically and when he finnaly finds you its is probably to late because you would have finished him. CRs maybe really good on Scouts but the Shotgun is a little bit better in tandem with the cloak because you will be undetectable if you run complex damps on a gally scout and you will get so many kills Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 855	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:22:00 - [80] - Quote I'm fairly happy with the balance between HMG and Shotgun at the moment. Sure it sucks to get popped in the back a couple times and die, but really why was my back exposed? A good counter for the HMG is to skill up your passive scans. On paper it doesn't look like it does much but i pick up everyone except good scouts from about 20m away. It really has worked wonders on my tacnet awareness. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic

ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:46:00 - [81] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I am Bojo and I represent the prosecution; scouts. The common argument from the defendants, heavies, is that they require a super high dps weapon to counter shotgun scouts because shotgun scouts will, quote "just two shot them". Your honor, I have here, exhibit A & B. Exhibit A is the Creodron shotgun. It deals a DPS of 754.25. It has a damage profile of -10% Armor +10% Shields. It costs 93 CPU & 14 PG. It has a useful range of about 10 meters.This is the tool commonly used by the prosecution, to persecute heavies. Now, your honor, I unleash upon the court exhibit B. Exhibit B is the Boundless Heavy Machine gun. It deals a DPS of 792 and has a damage profile of -5% shields +10% armor. It also only costs 92 CPU & 10 PG. It has a useful range of up to forty meters, target dependent. Your honor, as you can see here, the defendants have a weapon that is blatantly better than the prosecutions. It is less fitting intensive, has higher range, higher DPS, and given server circumstances it's higher RoF can beat broken hit detection better than a shotgun. Now, your honor, please read over exhibit C. It is a maximum HP comparison between scouts and heavies. The hotfix charlie defendants will have HP upward of 1866.6. That does not factor in at all the splash resistances and other resistances granted to the heavy. Now compare that to the maximum HP of the Amarr scout: 1026.7. While that number is field-tested to be a ****** scout, we will prosecute with the notion that it is as viable as any fit. Now your honor seeing as how the heavy fits the HMG and the scout fits the shotgun: Prosecution is outranged, outdps'd, and out HP'd by the heavy. Your honor even should we consider the radar advantage of the prosecution & other realistic factors the realism of a scout using 1026.7 HP is not there. We are considering these two, the prosecution & the defendant, mano y mano. Realistically the prosecution could gain the first strike your honor, but the realism of this fit in particular is just not there making the HP gap all the more greater and the advantage all the more so in favor of the defendant. Prosecution rests your honor. So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4763	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:55:00 - [82] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies. Prosecution has previously stated that the purpose of the case is to dispel the statements and claims proposed by the defendants as they are without basis. Your honor we motion to remove ACT1ON BASTARD for refusal to participate in-character Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1695	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:04:00 - [83] - Quote Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit. My Sentinel suit's waste disposal system has been jacked up since habenero Monday. Sorry bout that Bojo.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4764	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:07:00 - [84] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit. My Sentinel suit 's waste disposals been jacked up since habenero Monday. Sorry bout that Bojo. Your honor, I don't recall bringing a spare suit..... Your honor prosecution motions for an investigation into who's suit he di- Your honor don't wear your spare robes..... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 201	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:12:00 - [85] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies. Prosecution has previously stated that the purpose of the case is to dispel the statements and claims proposed by the defendants as they are without basis. Your honor we motion to remove ACT1ON BASTARD for refusal to participate in-character Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant? The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4769	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:14:00 - [86] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant? No because who's getting nerfed in charlie....the defendant! Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
MythTanker Haus of Triage 201	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:22:00 - [87] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant? No because who's getting nerfed in charlie....the defendant! I get that, oh wait... Your honor its a case of mistaken identity... The prosecution has brought the wrong person to court. They mean to sue the FOTM QQing heavies... The defendant who is the true heavy agrees with hotfix charlie 100%. Everyone else just wants to use the suit with little to no SP or skill invested... I propose that we come to terms on fixing the assault points to the malnurished, brain dead member in the jury He will solve our issues. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4774	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:37:00 - [88] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant? No because who's getting nerfed in charlie....the defendant! I get that, oh wait... Your honor its a case of mistaken identity... The prosecution has brought the wrong person to court. They mean to sue the FOTM QQing heavies... The defendant who is the true heavy agrees with hotfix charlie 100%. Everyone else just wants to use the suit with little to no SP or skill invested... I propose that we come to terms on fixing the assault points to the malnurished, brain dead member in the jury He will solve our issues. OOC : Purpose was to debunk shotgun scout v. HMG Prosecution motions for assault buff Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 230	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:44:00 - [89] - Quote I use a forge gun... If a scout comes up behind me and sprays his shotgun in the air around me, I kill him with an smg... If you can't kill a scout (or anything that isn't a tank for that matter) with a hmg, then you're doing it wrong. At the same time I can also kill a hmg with just about anything... doesn't matter what suit is on, just weave and aim for the head... Hardly any hmg tryhards aim their gun properly and that makes the kill very doable... yes it take a few more shots, that's the idea of a heavy suit!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1696	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:46:00 - [90] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit. My Sentinel suit 's waste disposals been jacked up since habenero Monday. Sorry bout that Bojo. Your honor, I don't recall bringing a spare suit..... Your honor prosecution motions for an investigation into who's suit he di- Your honor don't wear your spare robes..... Now that that's been sorted, your honor this hotfix called "Charlie" should be allowed to continue due to misery amongst FOTM chasers. They are toxic to my chosen role and I would like the door to hit them in the ass on the way out. Further, the Assault suit has been found wanting. I move for immediate court-mandated surgery to rectify it's failure as a role. Again with the "Charlie" ruling.

Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 203	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:07:00 - [91] - Quote Your honour as much as I agree with the prosecution I think the courts time would be better spent addressing: (i) the pile of dead assaults that the prosecution and defence have left in their wake. (ii) that Breach shotguns name is often misleading as it often does not result in a Breach as the victim er target has some sort of time dilation field that creates miniature warping of their time space locality. Something that the hipsters in the street refers to as lag. Yes your honour it is amusing that having lag makes one not punctual. (iii) this compounds the closing of the Oceannia battlezone due to increased landy gentry aka farmers. The warriors that have had to relocate are finding increase lag, worse performance with all weapons and a general trend to move from accurate or twitch weapons to spray and pray alternatives. Not One Lifetime
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 186	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:11:00 - [92] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I am Bojo and I represent the prosecution; scouts. The common argument from the defendants, heavies, is that they require a super high dps weapon to counter shotgun scouts because shotgun scouts will, quote "just two shot them". Your honor, I have here, exhibit A & B. Exhibit A is the Creodron shotgun. It deals a DPS of 754.25. It has a damage profile of -10% Armor +10% Shields. It costs 93 CPU & 14 PG. It has a useful range of about 10 meters.This is the tool commonly used by the prosecution, to persecute heavies. Now, your honor, I unleash upon the court exhibit B. Exhibit B is the Boundless Heavy Machine gun. It deals a DPS of 792 and has a damage profile of -5% shields +10% armor. It also only costs 92 CPU & 10 PG. It has a useful range of up to forty meters, target dependent. Your honor, as you can see here, the defendants have a weapon that is blatantly better than the prosecutions. It is less fitting intensive, has higher range, higher DPS, and given server circumstances it's higher RoF can beat broken hit detection better than a shotgun. Now, your honor, please read over exhibit C. It is a maximum HP comparison between scouts and heavies. The hotfix charlie defendants will have HP upward of 1866.6. That does not factor in at all the splash resistances and other resistances granted to the heavy. Now compare that to the maximum HP of the Amarr scout: 1026.7. While that number is field-tested to be a ****** scout, we will prosecute with the notion that it is as viable as any fit. Now your honor seeing as how the heavy fits the HMG and the scout fits the shotgun: Prosecution is outranged, outdps'd, and out HP'd by the heavy. Your honor even should we consider the radar advantage of the prosecution & other realistic factors the realism of a scout using 1026.7 HP is not there. We are considering these two, the prosecution & the defendant, mano y mano. Realistically the prosecution could gain the first strike your honor, but the realism of this fit in particular is just not there making the HP gap all the more greater and the advantage all the more so in favor of the defendant. Prosecution rests your honor. i see your numbers and raise you Scouts n Cloaks n super fast strafe speed. yeah i went there.. F scouts. Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 242	Posted - 2014.08.01 11:48:00 - [93] - Quote starts stabbing indiscriminately *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-


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