DUST Search - Legal Suit: Scouts v. Heavies

mollerz wrote:

Brokerib wrote:

As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like Big smile

The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid.

The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist.

No wonder we yanks kicked the crown's ass! Pirate

JUDGE SLAMS HIS GAVEL REPEATEDLY UNTIL BROKEN- "Mollerz, that is out of order! If you want to be in contempt, tha tis how you get in contempt!"

Sorry your, honer.

Judge GLARES.

"Again, I must object, your hon0r.. 'cough' As the argument of immersion and the balance against that with draconian-like reality breaking implementations of game mechanics was rebutted, again in the shop- which we all know is a binding mediation avenue.. one which has mitigated a lot of damage to new eden over all before it spilled into war zones I might stress, yet was never addressed by Brokerib"

Judge, without a word, motions to the twin Amarrian bailiffs.

Both saunter over and grab Brokerib.

Judge reiterates, "We'll hear your rebuttal to the dismantling of the notion of "realism" being an argument."

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Zindorak 1.U.P 193	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:15:00 - [31] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
MythTanker Haus of Triage 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:16:00 - [32] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. The SG argument was put forth by the prosecution, therefore will be discussed The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3396	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Zindorak wrote: people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that If it pleases the court, I'll rephrase: If it survived the first shotgun blast, a combat rifle would've killed it quicker. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
MythTanker Haus of Triage 174	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:29:00 - [34] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Morathi III wrote: youe honoe has a shotgun scout since a while, with the newhotfix charlie, with the change to the heavy i think we will have a nice fix and balance in my opinion Prosecution is using, in fact, the defendant from hot fix charlie as example. In hotfix charlie, while defendants will justly lose CPU/PG, will have an all new potential of 1866 HP without resistances factored. While prosecution shares your sentiments, there will in fact be a pinnacle of HP for the defendants. Prosecution does not prosecute defendants for that case, merely that their QQ is unjustified both against Charlie hotfix and shotgun scouts. Obection: Misleading representation. Your honor the defendant has been confused with FOTM chasers who have QQ about recent fixes... The defendant has agreed to the fix and believes it is necessary for balance... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3029	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:41:00 - [35] - Quote Your honor, I need to pee.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 175	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:45:00 - [36] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Your honor, I need to pee. Overuled someone put this **** bastard in jail The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
MythTanker Haus of Triage 175	Posted - 2014.07.30 04:48:00 - [37] - Quote MythTanker wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: Your honor, I need to pee. Overuled someone put this **** bastard in jail That moment when that word N A Z I is censored and bastard isnt The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4690	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:17:00 - [38] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor a rifle heavy has been known to be viable AT RANGE, but what happens when a SG scout approaches the defendant and due to his slow suit can not strafe as fast and renders him useless... Your honor let it be known that Remote explosives are a very powerful device and the only time it will fail is when it hits one of the most tanked suits just like a Hp stacking, strafing, SG scout who again only need 3 shots while normally giving the first one... Both counters can be countered... Your honor, referencing previous court case, the famous Rifle v. Shotgun, it was ruled that no matter the suit, be it the defendant or the prosecutor or bystander, in Rifle v. Shotgun it is a universal problem that does not discriminate amongst suits and thus is not restricted to the defendant. We motion that defendants statement be dismissed on those grounds. Members of the jury, we see again the ignorance of the defendant. While the defendant's claims that a shotgun can 3 shot a heavy suit are true, it was previously shown, exhibit A, that it takes just under 3 seconds to persecute the defendant with a CreoDron and it takes just over 1 second from the defendant to dispose of the prosecution. . . . . members of the jury do not let yourselves be mislead by the carefully chosen words of the defendant, carefully chosen words meant to mislead you to the conclusion that shotgun is better than HMG. Do not be lulled by curving words members of the jury. Prosecution calls Xoyocaul to the stand your honor... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 383	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:17:00 - [39] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There's a militia hmg? He meant militia Minmatar heavy frame with hmg. I was running with him, he was using militia heavy with kincats and basic hmg. He was annihilating peeps with no logi support. Was pretty funny listening to him on comms the whole time. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 33	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:19:00 - [40] - Quote Your honor, I rest my god damn mother ******* case. Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.

Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 383	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:19:00 - [41] - Quote MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
MythTanker Haus of Triage 176	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:46:00 - [42] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? Idk fix the assault maybe or balance CPU/PG so you have to invest SP The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
mollerz 4483	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:51:00 - [43] - Quote Brokerib wrote: As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid. The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist. No wonder we yanks kicked the crown's ass! JUDGE SLAMS HIS GAVEL REPEATEDLY UNTIL BROKEN- "Mollerz, that is out of order! If you want to be in contempt, tha tis how you get in contempt!" Sorry your, honer. Judge GLARES. "Again, I must object, your hon0r.. 'cough' As the argument of immersion and the balance against that with draconian-like reality breaking implementations of game mechanics was rebutted, again in the shop- which we all know is a binding mediation avenue.. one which has mitigated a lot of damage to new eden over all before it spilled into war zones I might stress, yet was never addressed by Brokerib" Judge, without a word, motions to the twin Amarrian bailiffs. Both saunter over and grab Brokerib. Judge reiterates, "We'll hear your rebuttal to the dismantling of the notion of "realism" being an argument." Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 4483	Posted - 2014.07.30 05:54:00 - [44] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: MythTanker wrote: The defendant does realise that Heavy spam is a problem, but that will be fixed with upcoming changes. What're they gonna do, limit the number of heavy suits spawned the way the number of vehicles is limited? That would not be my choice of a fix. Dingle Dust Berry.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 176	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:10:00 - [45] - Quote Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3719	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:30:00 - [46] - Quote I declare a miss trial. Not a single expert witness was called! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 586	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:38:00 - [47] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor -Members of the jury stand up and clap. Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4699	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:43:00 - [48] - Quote Members of the jury, look beyond puppets and into the masters. Go beyond arguments, and delve into matters with your own hands. Look upon the battlefield and you will find the answers the prosecution has brought here. I want you, community, jury, to be an astute hawk and pick out details. Balance operates in minute changes best and we the prosecution are glad to see charlie on its way, however we ask that you investigate rather than ride a wave of tears. Prosecution wants the community to realize that logic is running it's course as is. Heavies are not victims. Scouts are not victims. They are pieces of the game and when one does not work for the better who wants to use any piece but that piece? Let's progress towards a healthier ecosystem. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 975	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:18:00 - [49] - Quote Hands the judge a piece of paper with the words "you forgot about shared passive scans" scrawled in what appears to be blood but more disturbingly isn't. The judge discards the disgusting document and has Bayeth removed from the court. We'll bang, OK?
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 707	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:19:00 - [50] - Quote Judge not, lest ye molest yeself. Who farted?

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4706	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:20:00 - [51] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: Hands the judge a piece of paper with the words "you forgot about shared passive scans" scrawled in what appears to be blood but more disturbingly isn't. The judge discards the disgusting document and has Bayeth removed from the court. We all wish we could get those removed Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:30:00 - [52] - Quote Your Honor, I would like to point out that all Heavies without exception are known to be stupid dumb dumbs. They are also big meanies. That is all. P.S. They are the source of tooth decay. Plz Nerf.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:52:00 - [53] - Quote BURSTS THROUGH DOOR IN KOOL-AID MAN FASHION Judge I call into question the character of the prosecution's star lawyer he may sound reasonable here but he recently ransacked my thread and this is what the security cameras caught Bojo The Mighty wrote: Shameless Alt was just a little boy, picking his nose and wiping it on his jeans. Then his father, drunk with madness and vodka, came running through the door. He looked upon Shameless Alt's pants with rage, spying the booger. "No Papa!" the boy cried, but his father's wrath was inevitable. He dragged Shameless Alt by the hand and bounded him into a chair. He wheeled a TV in front, swigging vodka as he did. "You wanna pick your nose?!" he yelled. Shameless burst into tears. "No papa, please! Let me go! Let me go!" Shameless sobbed. His father then turned on the TV For 36 hours Shameless was strapped to the chair, watching every single Kevin Bacon appearance ever....he was never the same. Some say he would later take out his issues on others, calling them insects and the like.... DO YOU HONESTLY WANT A CRETIN LIKE THAT IN COURT???! If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 2041	Posted - 2014.07.30 10:43:00 - [54] - Quote mollerz wrote: Brokerib wrote: As long as you hold me, your honour, you can do what you like The crown must object to the use of game-play, or 'real life', play experience in the hypothetical construct put forward by the honorable Bojo. To intoduce the concept of "gun game" or "player skill" into this discussion at this time renders the majority of arguments put forward as invalid. The crown stands by it's original interjection, on the basis of ex facie mathamatica. The ability to apply potential damages does not not nulify that the potential damages exist. No wonder we yanks kicked the crown's ass! JUDGE SLAMS HIS GAVEL REPEATEDLY UNTIL BROKEN- "Mollerz, that is out of order! If you want to be in contempt, tha tis how you get in contempt!" Sorry your, honer. Judge GLARES. "Again, I must object, your hon0r.. 'cough' As the argument of immersion and the balance against that with draconian-like reality breaking implementations of game mechanics was rebutted, again in the shop- which we all know is a binding mediation avenue.. one which has mitigated a lot of damage to new eden over all before it spilled into war zones I might stress, yet was never addressed by Brokerib" Judge, without a word, motions to the twin Amarrian bailiffs. Both saunter over and grab Brokerib. Judge reiterates, "We'll hear your rebuttal to the dismantling of the notion of "realism" being an argument." Brokerib re-enters the court through the door to the Judges chambers, wearing a tailored cloak apparently cut from an Amarrian bailiff. Your honour, I object! While the crown recognises the use of the shop in setting precedent in ratio decidendi judgements, this argument has no bearing on the matter at hand, and will be dealt with in the court of mediation... I instead implore the court to recognise prior tempore potior iure, in the form of the abstraction of concepts in matters of theorycrafting. Theorycrafting has traditionally been considered to be undertaken in ideal environments, with all external and incalculable influences removed. It is generally accepted that the consideration of real word playstyles or individual player skill in theorycrafting arguments constitutes a breach of etiquette, and most assuredly results in the realisation of Godwin's law. I request that the honourable counsels statements be striken from the record and we return to the matter at hand...and recognise that Nova Knives are indeed mathamatically capable to a "two shot" kill of dropsuits of any make and fit. Knowledge is power
Cass Caul 68	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:30:00 - [55] - Quote When I saw the title of "Legal Suit" I was really hoping for an Officer or AUR variant dropsuit proposal. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:44:00 - [56] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor it is not the heavies fault for any bugs to do with the damage delay of the HMG... Your honor the optimal of an HMG is 40m but if you take into consideration that dispersion lowers the dps... Even so the HMG will still kill at that range if you're standing still or a low hp scout, that might sound like a disadvantage but if you are caught due to the fact that heavies can not scan, then that means uou have failed at your job. Any Suit/weapon can kill youat that range, simply up your stealth skills... Your honor imagine the dropoff for the shotgun, 3 shots doesn't even defeat heavies due to poor hit detection and disadvantage against armor. Clearly the DPS of HMG is much more potent than not just the Shotgun, but any other weapon in the game, and frankly, a little too much. I now turn to the Jury: If Hotfix Charlie sees no significant change in Heavy population/HMG Spam, then Hotfix Delta must attend to the problems, yet again. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:48:00 - [57] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: BURSTS THROUGH DOOR IN KOOL-AID MAN FASHION Judge I call into question the character of the prosecution's star lawyer he may sound reasonable here but he recently ransacked my thread and this is what the security cameras caught Bojo The Mighty wrote: Shameless Alt was just a little boy, picking his nose and wiping it on his jeans. Then his father, drunk with madness and vodka, came running through the door. He looked upon Shameless Alt's pants with rage, spying the booger. "No Papa!" the boy cried, but his father's wrath was inevitable. He dragged Shameless Alt by the hand and bounded him into a chair. He wheeled a TV in front, swigging vodka as he did. "You wanna pick your nose?!" he yelled. Shameless burst into tears. "No papa, please! Let me go! Let me go!" Shameless sobbed. His father then turned on the TV For 36 hours Shameless was strapped to the chair, watching every single Kevin Bacon appearance ever....he was never the same. Some say he would later take out his issues on others, calling them insects and the like.... DO YOU HONESTLY WANT A CRETIN LIKE THAT IN COURT???! Your Honor, I believe the defense has just humiliated himself in spite of his attempt to debunk the prosecutions credibility. The main prosecutor, Bojo, was stating the facts at the time, which futher embarrases Shameless Alt. Furthermore, Relevance? What does this have to do anything with the Scout v. Heavy issue? Even more, Slander? Defense is now left to relying on slandering the prosecution because he knows his case is useless. I advocate for the defense to be held under contempt. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3407	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:43:00 - [58] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasnt even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor Core Mechanics - Beyond reach of hotfix Balance Issues - Within reach of hotfix * If this weren't the case, I'd agree with your closing. As it is the case, all we can debate now is balance. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2300	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:06:00 - [59] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Members of the jury, look beyond puppets and into the masters. Go beyond arguments, and delve into matters with your own hands. Look upon the battlefield and you will find the answers the prosecution has brought here. I want you, community, jury, to be an astute hawk and pick out details. Balance operates in minute changes best and we the prosecution are glad to see charlie on its way, however we ask that you investigate rather than ride a wave of tears. Prosecution wants the community to realize that logic is running it's course as is. Heavies are not victims. Scouts are not victims. They are pieces of the game and when one does not work for the better who wants to use any piece but that piece? Let's progress towards a healthier ecosystem. MythTanker wrote: Your honor Our closing statement Scouts, Heavies, Commandos, Logis, and Assaults tell me this... Is this how you want Dust 514 to be? A place where someone takes legal action on another because ones gun can not kill a 1866 HP suit in less then 3 seconds? A place where people think the only way to counter a tough opponent is with a nerf bat? A place where a Role is demonized for doing its job? A simple CPU/PG and heat build up could solve so much, but it hasn't even happened yet and they still want more. Instead of letting the DEVs fix the core mechanics of this game you pester the forum with these threads? I don't know how many more hotfixes we will have but i want them to be on stuff like lag, hit detection, bugs etc. What will satisfy you? Uprising heavies? You will regret your actions when the last hotfix comes and its the last nerf but no fix to mechanics. I rest my case your honor I actually think scouts should be the natural, and effective, counter to the sentinel dropsuit. Sentinels should fear the scout, just as much as the mediums fear the sentinel. That being said... MythTanker's closing was better, hands down. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1233	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:07:00 - [60] - Quote I plead insanity "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"



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