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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1246
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:08:00 -
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I went 38-2 last night using the Boundless HMG. If this scrub can do that, it must be OP.
On a related note: My two deaths? Scouts with shotguns. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11394
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:08:00 -
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Your honor, I will give the prosecution a "like", as he has sufficiently amused me.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1008
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:10:00 -
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HMG is better than shotgun but there aren't any invisible heavies. SG is not OP, cloak-SG is OP. Well, HMG is a little too.
Because, that's why.
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headbust
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
103
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:10:00 -
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"bojo calls first witness" headbust to stand.
bojo"- headbust how long have u been a shotty scout
headbust"- since closed beta sir.
bojo"- so wat is ur opinion on this matter
headbust"- well sir i know for sure the only heavies i've ever 2 shot is militia and low level minimatar. it takes between 4-5 good hits on a armored heavy. and since everyone's turn speed was equalized the heavy can be turned around and straffeing after my second shot and i usually have 300 ehp so if it turns around that fast and gets a lock on me im done for.
bojo"- ok headbust any rebuddle to the EWAR advantage comment?
headbust"- yes, i have to use it to get around a heavy wat do u want me to do charge in there with my shotty head on i wont get 1 shot in
bojo"- thank u headbust. Your honor the prosecutions rests
a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11394
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:11:00 -
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Your honor, I am a cat.
Case cloesd.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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headbust
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
103
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:18:00 -
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this is how all future discussions should be lol
a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
997
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:21:00 -
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Your honor, as a logi whom looks at the battlefield as an ISK buffet, I would like to say that we can all agree that it is both the HMG militia heavy and shotty scout that are scrub lords. We should ridicule them both, indiscriminately, and often. Also my *****, if it pleases the court. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1758
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Posted - 2014.07.30 15:30:00 -
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Your Honor, here is my evidence.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Give the Minja active dampening!
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MythTanker
Haus of Triage
189
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:01:00 -
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All disputes aside id like to thank the prosecution for a fun thread O7
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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TechMechMeds
Techs Laboratory
3969
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:07:00 -
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Logi here.
I think both scouts and heavies are talking crap and both whining.
I also run both of those as well lol.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5756
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:08:00 -
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but but but cloaks hide scouts if you're legally blind!
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
2189
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:26:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:Judge not, lest ye molest yeself.
I finally laughed
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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headbust
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
105
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:44:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:All disputes aside id like to thank the prosecution for a fun thread O7 07
a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
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PLANET DESTROYER V1
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Posted - 2014.07.30 16:46:00 -
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4067
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:00:00 -
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Take away the resistance to explosives.
Being able to spam MD wherever they are held up would do wonders. I was very surprised when I used my MD in a couple of PCs at how impossible it is to finish off heavies who are being repped. Like 10% armor and you can't out DPS the reps due to the resistances.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Currently on a quest to get all suits to ADV (8 remaining)
PSN: wbrom42
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4743
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:18:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Take away the resistance to explosives.
Being able to spam MD wherever they are held up would do wonders. I was very surprised when I used my MD in a couple of PCs at how impossible it is to finish off heavies who are being repped. Like 10% armor and you can't out DPS the reps due to the resistances. Will the bailiff please remove the witness. He will not participate in role play, your honor.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1811
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:22:00 -
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Sad to say when you wake up from your dream court Dust will still be Dust
Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3990
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Posted - 2014.07.30 17:46:00 -
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Your honor! The Defense maintains that the current imbalance in Scout vs Sentinel engagements is largely a result of shared passive scans!
Why, just this morning I saw on my radar a Gallente Shotgun Scout sneaking up behind me. I turned around and engaged him at his max range before he even got a shot off. That should not happen unless an active scanner is used.
The Defense also contends that the Scout has the advantage over a Sentinel inside of 5m as they can fairly successfully avoid the Sentinels HMG fire. This advantage will only be enhanced with the Heat Buildup changes of Hot Fix Charlie, as Sentinels will no longer be able to just aim at head height, hold the trigger down, and spin in circles hoping to get a head shot. When HMGGÇÖs have to be fired in bursts to avoid Overheat, they will have to work a lot harder to counter Scouts closer than 5m. The noob Sentinels may even Overheat in their panic, making themselves an easy kill. ...And your honor, "panic" truly is the best description of a Sentinel's reaction to finding a Scout engaging at such close range.
The Defense maintains that poste Hotfix Charlie the Scouts will have the advantage over Sentinels at under 5m, and that the most important change needed to balance Scouts vs Sentinels is the removal of shared Passive Scans so that Scouts can get into their 5m engagement range without worrying about their Sentinel targets being tipped off to their presence.
The Defense realizes that the removal of shared passive scans will significantly reduce Sentinel kill counts and slightly increase Sentinel death rates, but we the Defense are willing to make these sacrifices for the public good.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
194
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:16:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Zindorak wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Zindorak wrote:people still still use the srubby shotty scouts? all i use is Combat rifles on my scouts. Maybe some other things such as ARs i might use but shotty scouts no The CR kills quicker than a SG (if a target has 500+ HP). Explain. Scrub. Its not my fault CR kills things quickly. I used a shotty scout before and i one shotted militia suits. Tell me can a CR do that If it pleases the court, I'll rephrase: If it survived the first shotgun blast, a combat rifle would've killed it quicker. Not nessicarilly true. If your are approaching a sentinel from behind and using a Six kin CR for example and u start shooting at him he will probably notice and turn around and vapourize you even though you are jumping and strafing like crazy by when he is at half armor at the latest. Now with a CreoDron SG you have the same approach you start shooting the heavy will be looking around frantically and when he finnaly finds you its is probably to late because you would have finished him. CRs maybe really good on Scouts but the Shotgun is a little bit better in tandem with the cloak because you will be undetectable if you run complex damps on a gally scout and you will get so many kills
Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
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MassiveNine
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
855
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:22:00 -
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I'm fairly happy with the balance between HMG and Shotgun at the moment. Sure it sucks to get popped in the back a couple times and die, but really why was my back exposed? A good counter for the HMG is to skill up your passive scans. On paper it doesn't look like it does much but i pick up everyone except good scouts from about 20m away. It really has worked wonders on my tacnet awareness.
Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
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ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:46:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I am Bojo and I represent the prosecution; scouts.
The common argument from the defendants, heavies, is that they require a super high dps weapon to counter shotgun scouts because shotgun scouts will, quote "just two shot them".
Your honor, I have here, exhibit A & B.
Exhibit A is the Creodron shotgun. It deals a DPS of 754.25. It has a damage profile of -10% Armor +10% Shields. It costs 93 CPU & 14 PG. It has a useful range of about 10 meters.This is the tool commonly used by the prosecution, to persecute heavies. Now, your honor, I unleash upon the court exhibit B. Exhibit B is the Boundless Heavy Machine gun. It deals a DPS of 792 and has a damage profile of -5% shields +10% armor. It also only costs 92 CPU & 10 PG. It has a useful range of up to forty meters, target dependent.
Your honor, as you can see here, the defendants have a weapon that is blatantly better than the prosecutions. It is less fitting intensive, has higher range, higher DPS, and given server circumstances it's higher RoF can beat broken hit detection better than a shotgun.
Now, your honor, please read over exhibit C. It is a maximum HP comparison between scouts and heavies. The hotfix charlie defendants will have HP upward of 1866.6. That does not factor in at all the splash resistances and other resistances granted to the heavy. Now compare that to the maximum HP of the Amarr scout: 1026.7.
While that number is field-tested to be a ****** scout, we will prosecute with the notion that it is as viable as any fit.
Now your honor seeing as how the heavy fits the HMG and the scout fits the shotgun:
Prosecution is outranged, outdps'd, and out HP'd by the heavy. Your honor even should we consider the radar advantage of the prosecution & other realistic factors the realism of a scout using 1026.7 HP is not there. We are considering these two, the prosecution & the defendant, mano y mano. Realistically the prosecution could gain the first strike your honor, but the realism of this fit in particular is just not there making the HP gap all the more greater and the advantage all the more so in favor of the defendant.
Prosecution rests your honor. So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies. |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4763
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Posted - 2014.07.30 20:55:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies.
Prosecution has previously stated that the purpose of the case is to dispel the statements and claims proposed by the defendants as they are without basis. Your honor we motion to remove ACT1ON BASTARD for refusal to participate in-character
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1695
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:04:00 -
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Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit.
My Sentinel suit's waste disposal system has been jacked up since habenero Monday.
Sorry bout that Bojo. |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4764
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit.
My Sentinel suit 's waste disposals been jacked up since habenero Monday.
Sorry bout that Bojo. Your honor, I don't recall bringing a spare suit..... Your honor prosecution motions for an investigation into who's suit he di- Your honor don't wear your spare robes.....
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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MythTanker
Haus of Triage
201
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:12:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: So whats the point of this post scouts can turn invisible and sneak attack anyone. If youre looking for long range shotgun forget about it, use a combat rifle like most scouts if youre having trouble with heavies.
Prosecution has previously stated that the purpose of the case is to dispel the statements and claims proposed by the defendants as they are without basis. Your honor we motion to remove ACT1ON BASTARD for refusal to participate in-character Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant?
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4769
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:14:00 -
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MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant?
No because who's getting nerfed in charlie....the defendant!
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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MythTanker
Haus of Triage
201
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:22:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant?
No because who's getting nerfed in charlie.... the defendant! I get that, oh wait... Your honor its a case of mistaken identity... The prosecution has brought the wrong person to court. They mean to sue the FOTM QQing heavies... The defendant who is the true heavy agrees with hotfix charlie 100%. Everyone else just wants to use the suit with little to no SP or skill invested... I propose that we come to terms on fixing the assault *points to the malnurished, brain dead member in the jury* He will solve our issues.
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4774
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:37:00 -
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MythTanker wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:MythTanker wrote: Your honor wouldn't that make the scouts the defendant?
No because who's getting nerfed in charlie.... the defendant! I get that, oh wait... Your honor its a case of mistaken identity... The prosecution has brought the wrong person to court. They mean to sue the FOTM QQing heavies... The defendant who is the true heavy agrees with hotfix charlie 100%. Everyone else just wants to use the suit with little to no SP or skill invested... I propose that we come to terms on fixing the assault *points to the malnurished, brain dead member in the jury* He will solve our issues. OOC : Purpose was to debunk shotgun scout v. HMG Prosecution motions for assault buff
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo
230
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:44:00 -
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I use a forge gun... If a scout comes up behind me and sprays his shotgun in the air around me, I kill him with an smg... If you can't kill a scout (or anything that isn't a tank for that matter) with a hmg, then you're doing it wrong. At the same time I can also kill a hmg with just about anything...
doesn't matter what suit is on, just weave and aim for the head... Hardly any hmg tryhards aim their gun properly and that makes the kill very doable... yes it take a few more shots, that's the idea of a heavy suit! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1696
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Posted - 2014.07.30 21:46:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Your Honor I'm afraid I pooped in Bojo's spare suit.
My Sentinel suit 's waste disposals been jacked up since habenero Monday.
Sorry bout that Bojo. Your honor, I don't recall bringing a spare suit..... Your honor prosecution motions for an investigation into who's suit he di- Your honor don't wear your spare robes.....
Now that that's been sorted, your honor this hotfix called "Charlie" should be allowed to continue due to misery amongst FOTM chasers. They are toxic to my chosen role and I would like the door to hit them in the ass on the way out.
Further, the Assault suit has been found wanting. I move for immediate court-mandated surgery to rectify it's failure as a role.
Again with the "Charlie" ruling. |
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