I'm with you Sinboto, but people are scared it will go right back to what it was.

High direct dmg buff and making all levels have the same splash radius as Proto should help it I think. Also, give all the same ammo count to begin with, it just sucks.

its all right... most sentinels cant read more than a sentence.

No I'm not dead.

Simmons is trying to get serious discussion here. Trying to derail it into a flame war is in very bad tastes.

chill dude, im kidding. its a joke because everyone says sentinels are unintelligent. im sentinel myself, so it wasnt serious

I'm with you Sinboto, but people are scared it will go right back to what it was.

High direct dmg buff and making all levels have the same splash radius as Proto should help it I think. Also, give all the same ammo count to begin with, it just sucks.

No I'm not dead.

I've been seeing this in another thread of mine frequently, Flaylock is fine as it is, with delta coming around the corner this needs to be addressed immediately:

The flaylock is, along with the other (not scrambler) pistols, both one of the weakest and under used weapons in the game on that most of us can agree.

Why is it so under used?

Nerfs to the weapon months ago haven't been adressed (yet) leaving the weapon in a sort of limbo between useless and just barely useful.

Splash radius, and damage have both took a spanking and I do believe it's about time the flaylock got a little boost.

Honestly I personaly think if the flaylock was returned to just below it's former glory there wouldn't be too much of a problem considering the power of the 'almighty rifles' today the hate the flaylock originally got was cased by it's vast superiority to the 'king of all gun classes' due to , now lessened, hit detection issues.

However I'm obviously biased on that, still, some truth in insanity.

What I'm not getting is the claims that the flaylock is 'fine' by players for three reasons so on an, almost, purely mechanic based conversation:

Damage= For those of you bringing the 'it's a sidearm' argument to the table: sidearm yes, but it remains a weapon, having experience shooting people myself both protected and not personaly I hate this argument with a burning passion. WEAPONS ARE MADE TO KILL PEOPLE, the idea that a sidearm, any sidearm, shouldn't be able to kill in skilled enough hands and the right situation is borderline stupidity. Should it be harder, yes, should it be damn near impossible, hell no.

Splash radius= 1.5 meters sounds good on paper right? Two problems: splash radius is decreased when firing from ground level. And : meters (while indeed meters in game) are viewed by US as players as around feet in length, not actual meters. This leads to a majority of shots that SHOULD connect to miss, don't believe me? Go shoot a flaylock at someone from a pipe or rooftop, mass drivers suffer the same fate.

Projectile speed: Not so much a bad thing as it is how the weapon works, ala the older brother mass driver, with a non hitscan weapon you have to take more careful aim and time your shots rather than the 'point and fire' of say the smg (where's the burst version anyway?) this makes it vastly harder for average players like myself to make direct shots, looping back to the (presumed) reason splash radius is there in the first place, not a complaint so much as a side note.

Don't agree with me, come at me bro, let's get to the bottom of this and fix this weapon right, not to the demand of butthurt COD players.

And yes I'm coming back hard, bite me.

Rant over, come get some.

With the current ttk and HP buffs, I think the flaylock deserves its former glory.

HP is a lot more now than it used to be and a proto flaylocks should be 2 shotting std frames I reckon, it is a proto weapon after all.

My proto scp one or two shots most frames on my alt ffs lol.


Do it now!.

No ripper approval?.

Just for reference, the ScR pistol has more range, much faster projectile, is hit-scan, has a clip 4x the size of the FP, a ludicrous headshot multiplier, and a DPS that is just barely greater than the FP's, not to mention the much better ADS and general hit detection.

While it's true that hit scan weapons got better hit detection since the dawn of the flaylock, you also have to remember that the rifles got nerfed hard, damage mods got nerfed hard and proficiency was nerfed hard.

So, no, I don't think the flaylock should return to its original state.

I'd seriously like to know your definition of 'hard' MR.Cat because I can honestly say it seems to be vastly different to mine.

I think CCP should start collecting more information from people that commonly use whatever they are trying to fix or should fix.

I think they openly invite too many people who don't use the weapon and instead are the ones who get killed by it all the time or have had a history filled with melancholy about the weapon in the past builds.

Example: If there is a problem with Tanks, Then talk to the tankers. If there is an issue with flaylocks, Then talk to the flaylock users.
They have spent enough time with the issue to help troubleshoot it with increased accuracy or just give more overall logical solutions. I'm sure the users of the particular weapon would reach a consensus better than what you might believe.

I've been waiting for this game to reach the point where the majority is balanced out, But we never seem to reach that state. CCP releases a piece of equipment. We cry "Nerf" or "Buff". CPP nerfs or buffs the equipment and it throws another mechanic out of proportion & we cry again -- A vicious cycle I've been witness to since beta. I think in order to bring order to the chaos here is to reduce the numbers of players we involve the stat changes to. The players who use the equipment should have way better advice to whats really going on rather then players who do not use the equipment and watch it being used.

However, Can we count on the users to be honest? That is the real question. I would hope so, Since they should want to see improvement in the game they're involved & active with.

Actually CCP has already started doing this.

Really? Well thats's good. I guess the Alpha-Delta patches are a result?