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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:15:00 -
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officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults.
burritos
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1674
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:16:00 -
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You must already be missing the rail rifle on it 
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:17:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:You must already be missing the rail rifle on it
I dont use light weapons for my heavy, if i wanted to RR, i would speeced on an assault/logi.
burritos
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
309
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:17:00 -
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something something passive regen
something something armor slows you down
something something htfu
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5739
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:20:00 -
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Tank isn't everything.
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:21:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Tank isn't everything.
Still dead.
Proudly a baby fish and a caldari loyalist.
Sentinel ck.0, Scout ck.0. Either my sentinel is dead.
i like burritos.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2254
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:23:00 -
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Ummm... I can fit a PRO HMG with PRO extenders, recharger, and regulator... 800 shield / 487 armor...
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:24:00 -
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still dead
Proudly a baby fish and a caldari loyalist.
Sentinel ck.0, Scout ck.0. Either my sentinel is dead.
i like burritos.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2254
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:27:00 -
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No, not dead, just not able to fit PRO light weaponry as easily... which is something we are all thankful for  And as a dedicated assault merc, run fat boy run 
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3692
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:29:00 -
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Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :(
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
266
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:29:00 -
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Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults.
Nerf the Assaults!
Thought I'd go ahead and start it.
If we just nerf them now before they are buffed we can save about 4-5 months of horse shiite on this forum.
Next in line please...
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
23
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:30:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :(
First inteligent comment on this topic.
Proudly a baby fish and a caldari loyalist.
Sentinel ck.0, Scout ck.0. Either my sentinel is dead.
i like burritos.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3696
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:01:00 -
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How about if you would stop complaining and start to see a opportunity? You know what you could use with the 2 low slots? Regulators. With 2 regulators and 2 shield extenders you have a normal recharge delay of 1.6 secs and the depleted delay is 0.49 secs. That is allmost instant recharge and the best you can squeeze out of any shield tanked suit in the game. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11296
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:18:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:How about if you would stop complaining and start to see a opportunity? You know what you could use with the 2 low slots? Regulators. With 2 regulators and 2 shield extenders you have a normal recharge delay of 1.6 secs and the depleted delay is 0.49 secs. That is allmost instant recharge and the best you can squeeze out of any shield tanked suit in the game.
The dark cloud, don't bother with people like that.
They will always undervalue regen for tank.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2517
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:22:00 -
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The problem is that you're trying to make a direct comparison between the two, and they both dictate very different playstyles. Not all heavies are about stacking on as much HP as possible, in fact I'd argue that most are not like that.
Armor heavies are more about stacking on a lot of HP to buffer tank through most encounters and then have a Logi rep them up afterwards. Amarr is more buffer focused with Gallente having some room for regeneration.
Caldari on the other hand should take advantage of their high shield regen, particularly so because while Armor Repairers increase by an absolute value, Shield Rechargers and Energizers are a percentage which allows for some insane regen rate given the CalSentinel's high base regen.
The fact of the matter is that if you play you Caldari Heavy the same way you play a Gallente or Amarr, you're gonna have a bad time. You can't just sit there and take it like Gallente or Amarr does, you need to be more mobile, using your high regen to get your HP back quickly between short engagements, rather than getting up close and personal and relying on your HP to survive the fight.
Different suits require different playstyles, even within the same role. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1680
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:22:00 -
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QQ more.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Guiltless D667
59
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:25:00 -
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There goes my SP , better go amarr now like everyone will...
A Strange Game.
Crysis 514
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3699
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:44:00 -
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By the way ive got a new idea for a module. So please take your time and check this out. It would really benefit Shield tanked heavys and step out of the shadow of their armor counterparts. |
S-PANZA
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:48:00 -
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The problem with 2 regs is that the Cal has no armor rep. One flux and shields are gone. If the Cal survives the initial push and if his armor is reduced , he'll only have shields left for the duration. With low armor you can kill a Cal Heavy with a flux and a BB Gun.
The 4/1 slotting provides a choice of using that low slot for reg , rep or reactive plates. The 4th high slot provides a slot for extra shielding , damage, energizers, rechargers and for the brave enhancers.
Shields recharge for all armor tanked suits . Armor tanks can equip armor rep easier or rely on a logi. With 2 regs on a Cal suit you have to rely on a logi or survive on shields only.
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
56
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:56:00 -
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I didn't like this at first but I hadn't thought of the other ways to run caldari heavies.
Eye of the Reaper
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Zindorak
1.U.P
184
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:59:00 -
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There is one advantage though, Since HMG is projectile and it does -5% Damage to shield it will do less damage on your main tank. However is your fluxed your screwed
Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2521
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:59:00 -
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S-PANZA wrote:The problem with 2 regs is that the Cal has no armor rep. One flux and shields are gone. If the Cal survives the initial push and if his armor is reduced , he'll only have shields left for the duration. With low armor you can kill a Cal Heavy with a flux and a BB Gun.
The 4/1 slotting provides a choice of using that low slot for reg , rep or reactive plates. The 4th high slot provides a slot for extra shielding , damage, energizers, rechargers and for the brave enhancers.
Shields recharge for all armor tanked suits . Armor tanks can equip armor rep easier or rely on a logi. With 2 regs on a Cal suit you have to rely on a logi or survive on shields only.
Well, *technically* Caldari suits in general should be fighting from range, ie far away from any possible incoming flux grenades. Now granted there are no long range Anti-Infantry Heavy Weapons, so you do have a point in that at close range the Caldari will suffer from Fluxes quite heavily, though that's more of a lack of long range AP weapons that they can make use of. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
4727
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:09:00 -
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Ugh I hate stupid people sometimes...
Earn 500Mil ISK(Updated twice)
Chat Channel: Vik PC
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3137
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:30:00 -
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Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults.
Prehaps you should try playing to Shields ACTUAL strengths as opposed to simply stacking extenders all the way.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5830
This suit has
650 Shields (1+ù PRO Extender)
86 HP/s Shield Recharge (2x PRO Energizers)
2.4 sec Delay (1+ù PRO Regulator)
450 Armour
6 HP/s Armour Regen (1x ADV Repper)
1x Boundless Heavy Machine Gun (PRO)
1x Magsec Submachine Gun (STD)
1x Flux Grenade
He will rep back ALL of his shields (by himself) after just 14 seconds out of combat. But the again if you play him right you'll never need that long.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Symbioticforks
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:32:00 -
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Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults.
That's fine, easymode HMG heavies can suck it. You hardly move, you hardly aim. What skill checks can you possibly fail? Also your corp sucks.
^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
24
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:34:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:Abraham Baby Fish wrote:officialy, as a cal sentinel, the mostly proposed slot layouts for the proto one, after checking all stats MAX shield tank at proto will be 872.25 Shield HP! This is a kick right in the b*lls!
While an STD GalSentinel can tank the same just with a ComplexPlate and an Basic plate,what kind of balance is that!
Apart from the slot "balance" killing CPU/PG! you cant even fit a proto hmg and complex extenders! What the f*ck!
this is the end of Heavy 514, welcome to the new FoTM assaults. That's fine, easymode HMG heavies can suck it. You hardly move, you hardly aim. What skill checks can you possibly fail? Also your corp sucks.
I'll take your hating message as a sign of success.
Proudly a baby fish and a caldari loyalist.
Sentinel ck.0, Scout ck.0. Either my sentinel is dead.
i like burritos.
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Symbioticforks
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
262
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:42:00 -
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Please believe me when I say it's not. I don't give compliments to the incompetent.
^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
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Silver Strike44
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:44:00 -
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C'mon guys, if one fat nerd on the internet says something is true, then it must be. Right?
Abraham Baby Fish wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :( First inteligent comment on this topic.
Also, he says this after having posted four times.
Me: Donate to The Rammeh McRam House Charity.
Scrub: What's the cause?
Rammeh: I'm retarded.
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Abraham Baby Fish
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
24
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:47:00 -
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Silver Strike44 wrote:C'mon guys, if one fat nerd on the internet says something is true, then it must be. Right? Abraham Baby Fish wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Uhhhhhh, last I checked that wasn't final.
Besides, you can still regain tank. Gallente is going to be forced to only 1 rep :( First inteligent comment on this topic. Also, he says this after having posted four times.
its still dead
Proudly a baby fish and a caldari loyalist.
Sentinel ck.0, Scout ck.0. Either my sentinel is dead.
i like burritos.
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MythTanker
Haus of Triage
148
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:49:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:How about if you would stop complaining and start to see a opportunity? You know what you could use with the 2 low slots? Regulators. With 2 regulators and 2 shield extenders you have a normal recharge delay of 1.6 secs and the depleted delay is 0.49 secs. That is allmost instant recharge and the best you can squeeze out of any shield tanked suit in the game.
Thats the point... Why do we have this nerf cycle/buff cycle when people can just work things out? Its always "dat suit kild me nerf it" Fix the assaults and stop this cycle (I do however agree with the heavy PG/CPU fix)
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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