Simple fixes:

Cloak up, shields down

AND/OR

Profile is proportional to eHP. So if you are really solid or sending out a lot of EM due to shields you shine really brightly.

ALSO

Make your passive scan range see big profiles further out ie if you can see 17.5dB at 24m you can see 35dB at 48m, 70db at 96m and 150dB at 192m... ie you can see a tank or a turret much further out on your tacnet then a dampened scout.

Making eWar more useful should drop tanking.

Make your passive scan range see big profiles further out ie if you can see 17.5dB at 24m you can see 35dB at 48m, 70db at 96m and 150dB at 192m... ie you can see a tank or a turret much further out on your tacnet then a dampened scout.

Making eWar more useful should drop tanking.

This!!

It is ludicrous that I can be engaging a group of Infantry, and get killed from 5m away by the 80gj Neutron Blaster Madrugar that just rolled up behind me, completely invisible.

@ Shayz

Read the entire post; agreed with many of your points. As Broker pointed out earlier, we've reached out to the Devs in hopes of seeing some of these issues resolved.

The central theme of our proposal is efficacy bonuses. We believe that "slayer" Scouts should leave behind their scout-perks when they tank up and pretend to be Assaults. By replacing base bonuses with their equivalent in efficacy bonuses, we believe we'd see an increase in ewar module usage (and a decrease in hp tank).

600+ HP Scouts are a joke; they should be the exception, not the norm. We hope to see fewer of these abominations come Charlie; with luck, the ham-fisted slayer crowd will migrate to the Assault frame. Should they linger, we look forward to implementation of efficacy bonuses come Delta.

All that to say, the Scout Community agrees with a number of your assessments and has been working collectively toward seeing these issues resolved. Yatta yatta.

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While I'm here .... aren't you an uber-logi?

Seeing as Scouts are doing their part, perhaps you can talk sense to some of your Heavy friends? They're a 'bit spam-sandwiched these days, and they are quite sensitive about it. At least when we bring up the issue.

Maybe you'll have better luck :-)

Not saying you are wrong, but you can HEAR that tank, from a long ways away. In these turtle beaches you can even tell the direction hes approaching from.

They're already getting nerfed next hotfix, the precision bonus is getting removed.

They can still do everything better than an assault with base stats yes?

1. I need super-regen stats because I have low HP.
2. I can't take much damage, at one time. Because I fit for EWAR and speed.
3. CPU/PG and slot layout put limitations on what I can fit, unless I consistently run proto.

HP regen doesn not = EHP. It defines the damage I can take over time, not the damage I can take. If I can't regen quickly, I can't survive.

With the expected changes to Assaults (+150EHP + additional slot + fitting buff), I think you'll find this is less of an issue. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2274319#post2274319

2 damps and a Proto cloak.

And you say I'M the idiot. Please stop, you're making a fool of yourself.

Yeah sure you can stack 800 armor on a gallente assault but you lose all agility...essentially making the scout not a scout anymore, which is fine. However, you can't rep that 800 armor back if you stack it like that. Even if you use two plates and two repairers you only get about 400 armor on the scout, which is less than shields and still reps half as fast as the Caldari

You have to sacrifice tank for recover on the gallente scout...something the Caldari doesn't need to do seeing as it has a whopping 50 shield recharge. Tell me the last time you saw someone using a shield recharger on their scout rather than an extender...there's just no reason to when your base is that high.

Besides, It's not just the HP values, Caldari scouts have a shield delay (after the penalty) of only 3/5 seconds for regular/depleted. The base value for the assault is 5/6 with the penalty bringing the depleted value to 8. Yet if the Assault wants these kinds of values the scout gets it needs to run an energizer and two shield regulators.

At that point you also need to run a complex cpu mod if you even want a chance at using a decent weapon or even an equipment.

Then let's add the fact that the scout can cloak easily, can equip a proto weapon without sacrificing any modules, can also carry a second equipment, can run faster than any assault, has a smaller hitbox, has more stamina, has a lower base profile, has a larger base scan radius, has a lower base scan precision...

Oh, and also gets dual bonuses to two e-war stats so that it doesn't actually have to use those modules and can run sprint mods, dampeners, or even armor plates in the lows instead.
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How is that NOT ******* OP?
Please tell me how having THAT many advantages isn't breaking the game.

The only solution is to make the Cal Scout very hard to tank so that they can't do everything at once.
And even then it won't break the suit entirely just by limiting it.

Yes but there are more weapons specializing in anti-armor than anti-shield. So the shields must be docked somehow because there are more weapons against armor than shield.

ITs a very detailed post Shays.

But i will respectfully Disagree.

Something with so many counters cannot be considered OP.
OP is something that gives you a natural advantage over your enemies, so much taht it can only be coutnered with TEAMWORK.( like tanks were for a while)

Cal Scouts are not even close to OP.
Sure they might seem OP when a Squad is using them as Radar...
but
they ARE really squishy. So much i kill them with Scrambler pistols.
They CAN be coutnered with Good dampening (specially because the Cal scout you are mentioning is the TANKED cal scout not the E-War one, that packs like 220 shields XD)
Im sorry you had to fight cal scouts so much,but in my case i have seen like 5 since they came out. I dont really think they are OP NOR FOTM.

Whats OP is Shared Passive Scans and should go.

I stand my point.Cal scouts are not op.


On other notes, scouts need NO NERF.
Med frames need buff.

text.

Truth has been spoken...
Lasers and scrambler destroy Caldari scouts.
And about ewar, come on, it was intended to be like that. IMO
It's like if I ask for active scanners not to be shared as well.

About squishy, every scout should be like that n.n

And agree as well, Assault need a buff. Their job can be done either with a Scout or with a Commando, and it shouldn't be like that.

Thats only if you can hit them. I'm a fair shot with the ScR, LR, and AScR and have been using them for months now.

I took a Proto Amarr Commando up against a Cal Scout, between his Six Kin dish out 1033 damage over the course of the engagement which lasted about 3 seconds he strafed between and shield flared though the 63 AScR shots I got off, and was regenerating when he popped out of cover to finish me at an insane pace.

I certainly have a hard time with it compared to most other scouts.

With all due respect adamance, and this is NOT skill related.

BUT YOU WERE A COMMANDO.

What did you expect, he didnt even HAVE to AIm, just spray and pray at a heavy without resistances.....

Doesnt prove the suit is OVERPOWERED.i mean,any scout can do that vs a lone Commando with enough skill...

No I merely meant to imply the a direct combat suit was unable to directly confront a primarily recon suit type.... additionally in terms of me being a fair shot I have extreme trouble applying damage to them as compared to the other 3 racial scouts..... all of this while being stated as anecdotal evidence and not to be misconstrued as me mistaking it for empirical evidence.

What i get from this thread is:

GÖª The Cal scout might have a hitbox issue
GÖª Passive Scanning breaks scouts

i still dont think the cal scout is OVERPOWERED thou...

Oh no its not stat wise and probably not gameplay wise..... but there is something about it right now that just.......... I don't even know.

Oh no its not stat wise and probably not gameplay wise..... but there is something about it right now that just.......... I don't even know.

Everyone keeps saying this is a nerf

Yet all this does is make it so that Gallente scouts are more effective against sneaking up on these suits.

They still have the 50 hp/s regen yes?
They can still tank 450 shield yes?
They can still do everything better than an assault with base stats yes?

To tell the truth i think your a butthurt little bltch thats only competition is cal scout, get guud or go play cod

Wait wait, say that again? I'll list the weapons I remember and the effectiveness and actual numbers inside parenthesis (Shield/Armor). Note this is as far as I remember and they could be wrong

Heavy weapons
Forge gun - It doesn't matter, either way UR dead with one shot. But it's armor
Heavy machine gun - Armor (95 /110)

Light weapons
Assault rifle - Shield (110/90)
Scrambler rifle - Shield (120/80)
Combat rifle - Armor (95/110)
Rail rifle - Armor (90/110)
Shotgun - Shield (110/90)
Plasma cannon - Shield (110/90) (But one shot you are dead either way)
Laser rifle - Shield (120/80)
Sniper rifle - Armor (90/110)
Mass driver - Armor (80/120)
Sawrm launcher - Armor (80/120) But this doesn't count as well

Side arms
Nova knifes - Equal (100/100)
Scrambler pistol - Shield (120/80) With headshot bonus of 450%, which is an instant dead for most shield users.
Ion pistol - Shield (110/90) low users
Bolt pistol - Armor (90/110) But almost NO one uses it
Flylock - Armor (80/120) But again, almost no one uses it
Sub Machine Gun - Armor (95/110)
Magsec SMG- Armor (90/110)

Now, yeah, heavy and side have more armor than shield, but in light are either equal or shield are a greater threat, since they are more often used.

oh stfu every match i see you play you go 20+/5-, your trying to nerf cal scout into non existence. If your suggestions were implemented there be no specialty left to the cal scouts name.

To tell the truth i think your a butthurt little bltch thats only competition is cal scout, get guud or go play cod

For those that think I don't use the suit...

I have an alt character which I use to test all Caldari suits. It has almost 20 million sp and all relevant skills needed. Sure it doesn't have EVERYTHING maxed out, but the majority of base skills needed to properly use a suit competitively are there.

I first ran the advanced Caldari scout on that character to test the hit detection issue people were complaining about. I found that it was much easier to dodge shots in this suit compared to my Gallente scout. Sometimes I was even able to dodge long enough that my shields would actually start regenerating.

The kill counts I was getting running solo were not super great. I could maybe get 20 easily, but that didn't prove anything as I was still dying 4 or 5 times.

Then I skill into proto and am able to finally tank that last shield extender.

My first match? 43/2
Thinking this was a fluke I did it again
37/1
At that point I literally felt the cheapness

It was too easy to sit there behind cover for 5 seconds to let my shields come back to full. I had a complex damp on so that no one could see me, No one could kill me as I was running up to them even when iI'm obviously in their lline of sight with the cloak. In fact sometimes I'd recharge back to full shields as I'm charging at them because they just can't seem to deal damage to me.

I thought "well maybe it's just that I'm not running into any good scouts or laser weapon users"

Nope, cause even scramblers just couldn't deal enough damage to me. You'd think that 400-450 shield isn't that much, but when the scout can out-strafe your shots to where only half of them land, the scout's effective HP becomes more like 800-900 shield.

Even if someone did manage to get a large portion of my shields down, I'd just cloak and regen it all back before my cloak disappears.

But the craziest part about the whole thing was how I felt like there was no reason to use e-war mods. I really could see anything and everything. Yeah I used a damp, but I felt like precision mods were a waste of time.

Why? Because the only thing a precision mod lets me do is see gallente scouts...
So there was no reason NOT to tank my suit with shields unless I happened to run into a gallente scout that kept killing me because I couldn't passively scan him.

But here's the best part
There were a few scouts I ran into like this, but none of them could take out my 400+ shields before I killed them. I would usually survive the first shotgun blast (or dodge it entirely because lolhitdetection on calscout), and then have enough time to react to either run away and regen or shoot them in the face.
Very rarely would I die by this.

I can imagine it happening more in PC, but that means this game is not Dust 514 but SCOUT 514, where the only way to counter a competitve thing is by balancing it around the other competitive thing, which in this case is Gal vs Cal scout.

Look at the Light Weapon Rifles:

AR = Armor
CR = Armor
RR = Armor
LR = Shield
ScR = Shield
Sniper R = Armor

The above are used the most as light weapons (besides Sniper Rifle). The reason Caldari Scouts are OP to the rest and must be nerfed/docked the High-Slot because 493 shield? WTF? That's a little less equal to the Caldari Assault.

This is roughly correct against a Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle:

A Caldari Scout Ck.0 with A Boundless CR is squirming like a little girl from left and right and you're shooting at him and you hit him every time. He will go down quickly, yes. But If it was a 80 Shielded and 493 Armored Gallente Scout gk.0, There would be almost NO hesitation and the gk.0 would be almost INSTANTLY taken out against a CR.

Yes the CR is against Armor but still. It should be about equal elimination. So therefore the Caldari Scout must be NERF'd for beginning shield and/or a high slot must be docked.

Look it's just not fair. Shayz is right. The Caldari Scout is OP.

If CCP won't nerf the Caldari Scout, then they must boost the Gallente scout somehow (and maybe the Amarr/Minmatar).

P.S. My wording and understanding may be incorrect but the game was FINE with the Caldari Scout.