DUST Search - [Long Detailed Post] CALDARI SCOUT IS OP

True Adamance wrote:

Luis rules 1st wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

ITs a very detailed post Shays.

But i will respectfully Disagree.

Something with so many counters cannot be considered OP.
OP is something that gives you a natural advantage over your enemies, so much taht it can only be coutnered with TEAMWORK.( like tanks were for a while)

Cal Scouts are not even close to OP.
Sure they might seem OP when a Squad is using them as Radar...
but
they ARE really squishy. So much i kill them with Scrambler pistols.
They CAN be coutnered with Good dampening (specially because the Cal scout you are mentioning is the TANKED cal scout not the E-War one, that packs like 220 shields XD)
Im sorry you had to fight cal scouts so much,but in my case i have seen like 5 since they came out. I dont really think they are OP NOR FOTM.

Whats OP is Shared Passive Scans and should go.

I stand my point.Cal scouts are not op.

On other notes, scouts need NO NERF.
Med frames need buff.

Truth has been spoken...
Lasers and scrambler destroy Caldari scouts.
And about ewar, come on, it was intended to be like that. IMO
It's like if I ask for active scanners not to be shared as well.

About squishy, every scout should be like that n.n

And agree as well, Assault need a buff. Their job can be done either with a Scout or with a Commando, and it shouldn't be like that.

Thats only if you can hit them. I'm a fair shot with the ScR, LR, and AScR and have been using them for months now.

I took a Proto Amarr Commando up against a Cal Scout, between his Six Kin dish out 1033 damage over the course of the engagement which lasted about 3 seconds he strafed between and shield flared though the 63 AScR shots I got off, and was regenerating when he popped out of cover to finish me at an insane pace.

I certainly have a hard time with it compared to most other scouts.


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KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5456	Posted - 2014.07.23 21:51:00 - [1] - Quote ITs a very detailed post Shays. But i will respectfully Disagree. Something with so many counters cannot be considered OP. OP is something that gives you a natural advantage over your enemies, so much taht it can only be coutnered with TEAMWORK.( like tanks were for a while) Cal Scouts are not even close to OP. Sure they might seem OP when a Squad is using them as Radar... but they ARE really squishy. So much i kill them with Scrambler pistols. They CAN be coutnered with Good dampening (specially because the Cal scout you are mentioning is the TANKED cal scout not the E-War one, that packs like 220 shields XD) Im sorry you had to fight cal scouts so much,but in my case i have seen like 5 since they came out. I dont really think they are OP NOR FOTM. Whats OP is Shared Passive Scans and should go. I stand my point.Cal scouts are not op. On other notes, scouts need NO NERF. Med frames need buff. Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5469	Posted - 2014.07.24 01:13:00 - [2] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: text. ''But the craziest part about the whole thing was how I felt like there was no reason to use e-war mods. I really could see anything and everything. Yeah I used a damp, but I felt like precision mods were a waste of time. Why? Because the only thing a precision mod lets me do is see gallente scouts...'' But gallente scouts ARE the great mayority of scouts. NOT TO MENTION that most good scouts run one or two profile dampeners too.... Regardless of SKILL, with my proto gal you wouldn't stand a chance: 2 x Precision mods 2x Prof Damps 1x Range AMp 1x Complex Reactive plate Duvolle or ISHI SMG/ToxinSMG/Thukker Contact nades. I would see you all the time, you wouldnt see me and believe me, 450 shields is not a lot when your Armor is at 87.... The thing is you are talking about the TANKED CAL SCOUT, the real threat is the E-war Cal scout.not the tanked one. When has anyone said after most racial suits came out: OMG i cannot kill this 600 HP med frame OMG WTH....Never. And regarding the small hitbox of the cal scout? meaningless, with how strong AA is right now i can basically spray and pray with my Duvolle and you'd be out in seconds... 3cx precision enhancers and 1cx range amp proto cal scout is the real terror i think... I think: ...you are confusing a suit that fits your playstyle with an OP suit. Again ,if it was so OP, most people would be running around with it instead of the Gal scout... ''I can imagine it happening more in PC, but that means this game is not Dust 514 but SCOUT 514, where the only way to counter a competitve thing is by balancing it around the other competitive thing, which in this case is Gal vs Cal scout'' My friend , WRONG again. the best counter to scouts are Passive scanning,Ative scanning and SENTINELS. They have enough EHP to survive the first initial attack and any HMG has enough ROF to accurately spray and pray and kill you in a matter of a second. Again, i disrespectfully disagree with you. I cannot see the problem you are seeing. sorry. Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5470	Posted - 2014.07.24 01:31:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Luis rules 1st wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: ITs a very detailed post Shays. But i will respectfully Disagree. Something with so many counters cannot be considered OP. OP is something that gives you a natural advantage over your enemies, so much taht it can only be coutnered with TEAMWORK.( like tanks were for a while) Cal Scouts are not even close to OP. Sure they might seem OP when a Squad is using them as Radar... but they ARE really squishy. So much i kill them with Scrambler pistols. They CAN be coutnered with Good dampening (specially because the Cal scout you are mentioning is the TANKED cal scout not the E-War one, that packs like 220 shields XD) Im sorry you had to fight cal scouts so much,but in my case i have seen like 5 since they came out. I dont really think they are OP NOR FOTM. Whats OP is Shared Passive Scans and should go. I stand my point.Cal scouts are not op. On other notes, scouts need NO NERF. Med frames need buff. Truth has been spoken... Lasers and scrambler destroy Caldari scouts. And about ewar, come on, it was intended to be like that. IMO It's like if I ask for active scanners not to be shared as well. About squishy, every scout should be like that n.n And agree as well, Assault need a buff. Their job can be done either with a Scout or with a Commando, and it shouldn't be like that. Thats only if you can hit them. I'm a fair shot with the ScR, LR, and AScR and have been using them for months now. I took a Proto Amarr Commando up against a Cal Scout, between his Six Kin dish out 1033 damage over the course of the engagement which lasted about 3 seconds he strafed between and shield flared though the 63 AScR shots I got off, and was regenerating when he popped out of cover to finish me at an insane pace. I certainly have a hard time with it compared to most other scouts. With all due respect adamance, and this is NOT skill related. BUT YOU WERE A COMMANDO. What did you expect, he didnt even HAVE to AIm, just spray and pray at a heavy without resistances..... Doesnt prove the suit is OVERPOWERED.i mean,any scout can do that vs a lone Commando with enough skill... Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5471	Posted - 2014.07.24 01:48:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: No I merely meant to imply the a direct combat suit was unable to directly confront a primarily recon suit type.... additionally in terms of me being a fair shot I have extreme trouble applying damage to them as compared to the other 3 racial scouts..... all of this while being stated as anecdotal evidence and not to be misconstrued as me mistaking it for empirical evidence. What i get from this thread is: GÖª The Cal scout might have a hitbox issue GÖª Passive Scanning breaks scouts i still dont think the cal scout is OVERPOWERED thou... Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5485	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:38:00 - [5] - Quote Unidentified Caldarian wrote: Look at the Light Weapon Rifles: AR = Armor CR = Armor RR = Armor LR = Shield ScR = Shield Sniper R = Armor The above are used the most as light weapons (besides Sniper Rifle). The reason Caldari Scouts are OP to the rest and must be nerfed/docked the High-Slot because 493 shield? WTF? That's a little less equal to the Caldari Assault. This is roughly correct against a Six Kin Assault Combat Rifle: A Caldari Scout Ck.0 with A Boundless CR is squirming like a little girl from left and right and you're shooting at him and you hit him every time. He will go down quickly, yes. But If it was a 80 Shielded and 493 Armored Gallente Scout gk.0, There would be almost NO hesitation and the gk.0 would be almost INSTANTLY taken out against a CR. Yes the CR is against Armor but still. It should be about equal elimination. So therefore the Caldari Scout must be NERF'd for beginning shield and/or a high slot must be docked. Look it's just not fair. Shayz is right. The Caldari Scout is OP. If CCP won't nerf the Caldari Scout, then they must boost the Gallente scout somehow (and maybe the Amarr/Minmatar). P.S. My wording and understanding may be incorrect but the game was FINE with the Caldari Scout. 1st AR has +10% vs shield. Second, people are butthurt vs the Tanked Cal scout because they want to use their CR-RR and win against everything...heh I take Proto CAl scouts with an ADV BREACH freakn AR (me being an above average player) and you are telling me you people cant kill them even with proto weaponry... This is not Cal scout Opness, this is lack of skill. Get a freakn Mouse and keyboard to make it easymode for you , dont nerf the freakn suit because Butthurtness. '' then they must boost the Gallente scout somehow'' *WT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?** The Gal scout is at the moment the best scout with more diversity of fits end everything. I can run under CAl scouts radar all day with my Gk.0 while making holes in their Face with AR's and SCR's. as easy as taking out my BREACH SCR PISTOL and 1HKO them in the watermelon... Stealth Storm