Oh god yes, a proto AFG and an LAV and my life is bliss, +75WP for liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife! Earlier this morning I was farming a pair of Incubi for damage actually by two-shotting and letting them fly off. Gained enough WP for an OB all by myself.

Having a legitimate playstyle be financially unsustainable is never a good solution. Slash ADS prices.

lol pythons easy victims for a incubus.

Try flying the ADS, if you think this will make it the FOTM. It still takes more skill than a Tank.

It shouldn't require more than one person to down my python. That's just bad for the game for reasons that have been explained to death. Anyone who subscribes to the idea that it should take at least 2 people to down my python can repeat that to themselves over and over as they bend over and take my python up there ass. (<- So getting banned from the forums for that.)

Buwaro, your testimony of experience on the ground as AV is invaluable. But it is only that, the view of someone on the ground. I recommend you broaden your perspective before you talk of how things should be. Give me a nudge if you ever see me online. I'll let you test drive my python... but you're paying for each one you get destroyed.

His numbers would kill our trade. That is my one beef with his solution. 50 seconds to a minute? Really?

Well thats too much..didnt look at the numbers at all, ill admit.

They do need a bit of a CD increase though...MLT ones that i use have hardly any CD at all...This also applies for speed mods on tanks.

And before people ask, i do have an ADS alt and ill say personally that ADSes won't become FoTM because of the steep learning curve.

Think about it. The reason FoTM exists in the first place is that it is easy to use and skill into while offering a large advantage. The current FoTM (HMG Heavies) requires very little personal skill and minimal investment with a huge reward, which is the reason why it is such a dominant and long lasting FoTM.

ADSes are on the other end of the spectrum for most of the FoTM requirements-They require large amounts of SP and a lot of skill, have a hard counter, etc. They are in the right hands very deadly and even invulnerable to an extent, but thats as it should be.

With the HMG heavy remaining untouched, the FoTM meta will likely remain where it is.

....... I did the mistake thinking that small blasters where as effective as they were back when Uprising launched. I skilled fully into Ion blasters and level 3 Incubus..... I feel ashamed

God I miss when Blasters were actually useful for something.

I feel like if they reduce the cost more pilots will take more risks and might not fly away frequently. I don't know how you're not taking down ADS but it only takes a few swarms or forges to keep a ADS at bay. ADS are already easy enough to take out with just the right tactics.

Rip, keeping an ADS at bay is not the goal of A/V. Do infantry just want to keep other infantry at bay? No, didn't think so.

And pretty much every other ADS pilot I have encountered always use that tactic (myself included)

It's not really a tactic... it's the only way to survive against decent AV, which absolutely tear through an ADS now. Without a afterburner you will not survive, unless your lucky as hell, or the AV users are terrible. As long as they're around and pursuing you, your role is entirely invalidated... and it sucks.

Doing so will most likely incline to the new FOTM
Pythons with XT1s spamming all across they sky!

I am getting tired on getting into matches where the enemy teams (Mostly 6 man scrub squads) use it as an easy way to get OBs since that thing can take down infantry to vehicles to turret installations (and yes, I read the upcomming patches for Charlie and I know the changes to the OB system and adding more eHP to turret installations)

What I am trying to prevent is a next FOTM.
If the price reduction comes into play I can assure you that the ADS will be spammed. And they will be more horrible than the tank spam back in 1.7

Currently taking one out is a challenge on its own. And I have been in countless matches where me and 3 or 4 other AV guys have been trying to take one down be couldn't. All thanks to the Afterburner module.

As soon as the ADS feels one shot it kicks in its afterburners and camps in the flight ceiling for until it's shields (or armor) is back up and comes back down. During the wait for their HP to come back, the Afterburner module has already cooled down and is ready for use very quick. So as soon as the ADS is threatened again it kicks again with its afterburners and making a few twists in the airto dodge the uncomming Forge rounds.

My only problem here is that they have an easy and fast get away to complete safety.
A cool down of 10 seconds for the 3 afterburner modules. That is a very fast cool down. You can go easily to the flight ceiling. And as you are coming back down from it, you already have your fast get-a-away to the flight ceiling again.

This can be prevented by increasing cooldown time with these afterburners. Make them 50 secs - 1 minute cool down.

This game should reward the skilled. Not the coward. While yes you may know how to fly and shoot with the ADS, dodging AV fire should be another skill. Not the cowardly tactic of activating your afterburner and camp on the ceiling.

Another counter to this tactic would be lowering the flight ceiling to MCC height. Or a little higher. You can keep your Afterburner cooldown, but the only place you'll have to hide now is outside of the map or inside your redline.

I am just trying to prevent the next FOTM from happening. And this one looks very nasty. And if(when) it happens. People are going to call for a ADS nerf. Which will anger old and dedicated ADS pilots (like myself)

I hate how an unplated incubus with an afterburner active has the same speed as a Python with no afterburner, yet basically all AV does tons of extra damage to armor

*le drawn out sigh*

Rip, keeping an ADS at bay is not the goal of A/V. Do infantry just want to keep other infantry at bay? No, didn't think so.

Anyone who flies straight up (with or without afterburners) is just asking to be downed by a forge gunner (yes I am a forge gunner and a pilot among other things.) Before you go nerfing the already most skilled part of the game how about fixing the swarm launcher, currently nothing can save you from invisible and multishot swarms (yes it's glitched to hell.)

Other than that, what's the problem with going to the ceiling, you have problems with people moving behind cover when you shoot at them as well... Fact is you can't see or fire at jack **** from more than 100 meters away (at best) with a drop ship and well as overpowered as the Python missile bonus is against infantry they are so damn squishy against a railBus that it's your own fault that someone has dodged all those ground troops fire, learn to bring a friggin pilot with you, the more **** you got the more of an advantage you have in the match!

I wish my swarms would keep on flying after the ship instead of exploding in midair after they turn on their ab and take off.

/c

And I wish flying round a tower made the swarms fly into it, rather than watching them follow me around it... Too many times I turn around and watch the swarm get to the edge of a building and pull a 90 degree turn straight at me.

I feel like if they reduce the cost more pilots will take more risks and might not fly away frequently. I don't know how you're not taking down ADS but it only takes a few swarms or forges to keep a ADS at bay. ADS are already easy enough to take out with just the right tactics.

The problem the OP is saying is that they dont want to just "keep them at bay" they want to destroy them completely. And if they lower the price there will be 5 of those and 5 tanks on the damn field every single match making infantry completely obsolete. So i agree with the OP dont touch the price of the ADS and i believe they should increase the price of the tanks as well cause im so sick of 5 tanks being called into every single match.