Look, I'm an ADS pilot, a tanker, a forger, and a ground guy, all at proto level.

ADS' are so easily counterable with forge guns it's not even funny.

Look, I'm an ADS pilot, a tanker, a forger, and a ground guy, all at proto level.

ADS' are so easily counterable with forge guns it's not even funny.

I feel like if they reduce the cost more pilots will take more risks and might not fly away frequently. I don't know how you're not taking down ADS but it only takes a few swarms or forges to keep a ADS at bay. ADS are already easy enough to take out with just the right tactics.

Having a legitimate playstyle be financially unsustainable is never a good solution. Slash ADS prices.

Well it depends on the enemy team. If it's a loan ADS pilot. Than he is easy prey. But when in a squad, where thanks to the amounts of kills the ADS and installations/vehicles destroyed to the ADS, if the have a Logi+Heavy combo. OBs can become VERY frequent.

In the last matched I described, they got about 5 OBs. One one they used on my tank trying to shoot the thing down and the other was used on the Forge Gunners up in the rails. But since they where under a roof they where saved.

EDIT: And no. It wont make them runaway less. It will create more ADS in air spaces. Which will become even more impossible for ground troops and ground vehicles to move.

A perfect counter to this would have been JETS no changes would be needed.

But we know that will never happen in Dust's life time

I was in a match, Skirmish, Ashland.

There was this Python with Xt1's
I was using my Rail tank along with my ADV Forge Gun while 2 other players sat on top of the rail thingies between B and C and another one shot Swarms at it.

The dropship came down, killed a few people and started twisting and used its afterburner and went back to the ceiling. Only 2-3 shots managed to hit. If its armor was touched it just went back to it's supply depot back in the redline and repaired.

EDIT: The twisting I can tolerate. Since it is not really that easy to twist around and try not to crash but when you combined that with super spped and a height no one other can reach except the dropship. yeah. It becomes a problem.

And I am not saying to nerf the ADS. Just re-work the Afterburner module.

Oh my ba jesus, I got another hate thread!!! Haks, everybody, I was the guy in the python spamming xt-1s like a scrub!

Doing so will most likely incline to the new FOTM
Pythons with XT1s spamming all across they sky!

I am getting tired on getting into matches where the enemy teams (Mostly 6 man scrub squads) use it as an easy way to get OBs since that thing can take down infantry to vehicles to turret installations (and yes, I read the upcomming patches for Charlie and I know the changes to the OB system and adding more eHP to turret installations)

What I am trying to prevent is a next FOTM.
If the price reduction comes into play I can assure you that the ADS will be spammed. And they will be more horrible than the tank spam back in 1.7

Currently taking one out is a challenge on its own. And I have been in countless matches where me and 3 or 4 other AV guys have been trying to take one down be couldn't. All thanks to the Afterburner module.

As soon as the ADS feels one shot it kicks in its afterburners and camps in the flight ceiling for until it's shields (or armor) is back up and comes back down. During the wait for their HP to come back, the Afterburner module has already cooled down and is ready for use very quick. So as soon as the ADS is threatened again it kicks again with its afterburners and making a few twists in the airto dodge the uncomming Forge rounds.

My only problem here is that they have an easy and fast get away to complete safety.
A cool down of 10 seconds for the 3 afterburner modules. That is a very fast cool down. You can go easily to the flight ceiling. And as you are coming back down from it, you already have your fast get-a-away to the flight ceiling again.

This can be prevented by increasing cooldown time with these afterburners. Make them 50 secs - 1 minute cool down.

This game should reward the skilled. Not the coward. While yes you may know how to fly and shoot with the ADS, dodging AV fire should be another skill. Not the cowardly tactic of activating your afterburner and camp on the ceiling.

Another counter to this tactic would be lowering the flight ceiling to MCC height. Or a little higher. You can keep your Afterburner cooldown, but the only place you'll have to hide now is outside of the map or inside your redline.

I am just trying to prevent the next FOTM from happening. And this one looks very nasty. And if(when) it happens. People are going to call for a ADS nerf. Which will anger old and dedicated ADS pilots (like myself)

You shut your dirty mouth. You shut it RIGHT now! ADS are god awfully expensive and unreasonably so. Theyre counterable by competent infantry and the 7 guys who have flown them since they were released deserved a MOTHER FRAGGING BREAK!

Another counter to this tactic would be lowering the flight ceiling to MCC height. Or a little higher. You can keep your Afterburner cooldown, but the only place you'll have to hide now is outside of the map or inside your redline.

I am just trying to prevent the next FOTM from happening. And this one looks very nasty. And if(when) it happens. People are going to call for a ADS nerf. Which will anger old and dedicated ADS pilots (like myself)

id say reduce price, but increase AB CD

I just got to actually reading this whole little paragraph and the rest. Understand that as a veteran pilot (started the first day of chrome) I'm going to attempt to remain as cordial as possible. I've cut out this little tidbit as I want to address these issues.

First off, I didn't fly straight to the flight ceiling. Any pilot worth his salt would know that this is the most stupid thing you could possibly do. I used a little trick I like to call "evasive maneuvers". My flight style is called the drunk hillbilly in case you're interested.

Second off, you've already confessed to having a crap ton of AV on me. At one point, I believe you had two forges, two swarms both ADV, and a red line rail tank on me. With this much AV on me, you should have killed me ten times over. I don't know how you didn't, but apparently, maybe the forges were popping shrooms while shooting me. In the end, you didn't, and I was personally amazed that it didn't happen, as it should have if your AV had any form of coordination other than "hey he's back, shoot him"!

The next FOTM? Half the people I talk to can barely fly a gorgon, and that's one of the easiest things to fly. and on the whole "you couldn't shoot me down" thing. I think I can explain better as to how that didn't happen:

1) Maybe I've been doing this a long time.
2) Maybe I've faced similar situations and know the ADS protocol to fighting that much AV concentrated specifically on me. That rule is this "if the risk is too great, it's not worth it" I understood that your four forms of AV on the scaffolding and rail tank in the back wasn't worth the 500k isk and well over 12mil SP I sunk into my baby Laira (Laira being the ADS)
3) I need to go ahead and address the "cowardly ADS" comment you threw my way. Are you telling me that I'm supposed to stay in your firing range of five forms of AV and stay there while they unload clip after clip into me? There's no cowardice in running away from five forms of AV, it would in fact be stupid if I stayed and unloaded everything I had into you, I even tried doing quick dive bombs.
4) Maybe I didn't spend 3+ (that being minimum) mil SP into a proto suit and a proto AV like you all did. But I did however sink time, trial and error, isk and at least 10 million into my trade and I think I can say that I have proven myself as a pilot.


I've tried to remain as cordial as I possibly could while addressing you, but understand that after all that AV was on me, you should have killed me, and I quite frankly am insulted by being called a coward, and thus I kind of want to throttle you. Again, I'm trying to be nice.

Sorry maybe I overreacted. I have shot down damn near every single pilot worth shooting down...Snuggz, Derrith, Blackholenova or whatever his name is etc etc... Pythons now, Incubus during the rep wars, Judge during the OP swarms....My point is these guys PAY to be that good, why take that from them with a silly nerf or change to what is arguably one of the most diffifuclt things to do in DUST? They have invested HOURS and MILLIONS of SP and ISK while we all expect to be able to just trot on the field with an Anti Skill cannon of some sort and 1 shot them? Nothing is wrong with running when you take reasonable damage, Nothing is wrong with protecting your investment, while using it to its fullest extent to maximize its effectiveness. What the decrease in price WILL do is....give me a bunch more experimental ADS scrubs to farm with my overly honed tactics from fighting the pros. Game the FK on.

Sorry maybe I overreacted. I have shot down damn near every single pilot worth shooting down...Snuggz, Derrith, Blackholenova or whatever his name is etc etc... Pythons now, Incubus during the rep wars, Judge during the OP swarms....My point is these guys PAY to be that good, why take that from them with a silly nerf or change to what is arguably one of the most diffifuclt things to do in DUST? They have invested HOURS and MILLIONS of SP and ISK while we all expect to be able to just trot on the field with an Anti Skill cannon of some sort and 1 shot them? Nothing is wrong with running when you take reasonable damage, Nothing is wrong with protecting your investment, while using it to its fullest extent to maximize its effectiveness. What the decrease in price WILL do is....give me a bunch more experimental ADS scrubs to farm with my overly honed tactics from fighting the pros. Game the FK on.

I also appreciate you backing me on this, it is much obliged.

Another thing, I would hardly call myself one of the best, just fortunate (mainly because when I do say that stuff, it always comes to bite me in the nuts).

@ bruwean?- I thank you for the compliment, I worked very hard mastering that, and again, I'll reiterate, I did not fly to flight ceiling. If I did, you would know it. Flying to the ceiling is the single most stupid thing you could do as a pilot.

And on you saying that the price should not be dropped, afraid I can't agree with you on that. There are many people still in this game that would make excellent pilots, had they the wallet I have. Why would you want to take that opportunity away from them when they could become just as good as some of the legends, if not better. Just because nine scrub pilots plague the skies doesn't mean that tenth doesn't deserve a chance.

Heck, I've been teaching two hopeful pilots how to fly. I'm afraid I haven't had much of a chance to see them perform as they do not like each other, and we all have IRL.

And if they are scrub pilots, you wouldn't have nearly as much trouble shooting them down as when you fought me.

If anyone wants to know just how effective Afterburners are, read here.

Doing so will most likely incline to the new FOTM
Pythons with XT1s spamming all across they sky!

I am getting tired on getting into matches where the enemy teams (Mostly 6 man scrub squads) use it as an easy way to get OBs since that thing can take down infantry to vehicles to turret installations (and yes, I read the upcomming patches for Charlie and I know the changes to the OB system and adding more eHP to turret installations)

What I am trying to prevent is a next FOTM.
If the price reduction comes into play I can assure you that the ADS will be spammed. And they will be more horrible than the tank spam back in 1.7

Currently taking one out is a challenge on its own. And I have been in countless matches where me and 3 or 4 other AV guys have been trying to take one down be couldn't. All thanks to the Afterburner module.

As soon as the ADS feels one shot it kicks in its afterburners and camps in the flight ceiling for until it's shields (or armor) is back up and comes back down. During the wait for their HP to come back, the Afterburner module has already cooled down and is ready for use very quick. So as soon as the ADS is threatened again it kicks again with its afterburners and making a few twists in the airto dodge the uncomming Forge rounds.

My only problem here is that they have an easy and fast get away to complete safety.
A cool down of 10 seconds for the 3 afterburner modules. That is a very fast cool down. You can go easily to the flight ceiling. And as you are coming back down from it, you already have your fast get-a-away to the flight ceiling again.

This can be prevented by increasing cooldown time with these afterburners. Make them 50 secs - 1 minute cool down.

This game should reward the skilled. Not the coward. While yes you may know how to fly and shoot with the ADS, dodging AV fire should be another skill. Not the cowardly tactic of activating your afterburner and camp on the ceiling.

Another counter to this tactic would be lowering the flight ceiling to MCC height. Or a little higher. You can keep your Afterburner cooldown, but the only place you'll have to hide now is outside of the map or inside your redline.

I am just trying to prevent the next FOTM from happening. And this one looks very nasty. And if(when) it happens. People are going to call for a ADS nerf. Which will anger old and dedicated ADS pilots (like myself)

I am going to guess that you had your militia swarms out and the python killed you instead of running away.

Forges and proto swarms easily send an ADS running and the only thing that lowering the prices is going to do is feed more points to AVers. The ones that do not get taken out by this will get taken out by scrubs spamming ADS and crashing into other ADS because they have to fly like clowns to even have an attempt at a shot at killing infantry.

You're just angry it requires teamwork to take out a good ADS pilot.

I can understand the requirements for teamwork.
But increasing the Afterburner's cooldown ain't hurting anyone and it is more of a fair chance because ADS are now going to be more frequent.

Unless, you depend on the scrub tactic of flying to the ceiling for safety?