Look, I'm an ADS pilot, a tanker, a forger, and a ground guy, all at proto level.

ADS' are so easily counterable with forge guns it's not even funny.

I feel like if they reduce the cost more pilots will take more risks and might not fly away frequently. I don't know how you're not taking down ADS but it only takes a few swarms or forges to keep a ADS at bay. ADS are already easy enough to take out with just the right tactics.

Having a legitimate playstyle be financially unsustainable is never a good solution. Slash ADS prices.

Oh my ba jesus, I got another hate thread!!! Haks, everybody, I was the guy in the python spamming xt-1s like a scrub!

You shut your dirty mouth. You shut it RIGHT now! ADS are god awfully expensive and unreasonably so. Theyre counterable by competent infantry and the 7 guys who have flown them since they were released deserved a MOTHER FRAGGING BREAK!

I just got to actually reading this whole little paragraph and the rest. Understand that as a veteran pilot (started the first day of chrome) I'm going to attempt to remain as cordial as possible. I've cut out this little tidbit as I want to address these issues.

First off, I didn't fly straight to the flight ceiling. Any pilot worth his salt would know that this is the most stupid thing you could possibly do. I used a little trick I like to call "evasive maneuvers". My flight style is called the drunk hillbilly in case you're interested.

Second off, you've already confessed to having a crap ton of AV on me. At one point, I believe you had two forges, two swarms both ADV, and a red line rail tank on me. With this much AV on me, you should have killed me ten times over. I don't know how you didn't, but apparently, maybe the forges were popping shrooms while shooting me. In the end, you didn't, and I was personally amazed that it didn't happen, as it should have if your AV had any form of coordination other than "hey he's back, shoot him"!

The next FOTM? Half the people I talk to can barely fly a gorgon, and that's one of the easiest things to fly. and on the whole "you couldn't shoot me down" thing. I think I can explain better as to how that didn't happen:

1) Maybe I've been doing this a long time.
2) Maybe I've faced similar situations and know the ADS protocol to fighting that much AV concentrated specifically on me. That rule is this "if the risk is too great, it's not worth it" I understood that your four forms of AV on the scaffolding and rail tank in the back wasn't worth the 500k isk and well over 12mil SP I sunk into my baby Laira (Laira being the ADS)
3) I need to go ahead and address the "cowardly ADS" comment you threw my way. Are you telling me that I'm supposed to stay in your firing range of five forms of AV and stay there while they unload clip after clip into me? There's no cowardice in running away from five forms of AV, it would in fact be stupid if I stayed and unloaded everything I had into you, I even tried doing quick dive bombs.
4) Maybe I didn't spend 3+ (that being minimum) mil SP into a proto suit and a proto AV like you all did. But I did however sink time, trial and error, isk and at least 10 million into my trade and I think I can say that I have proven myself as a pilot.


I've tried to remain as cordial as I possibly could while addressing you, but understand that after all that AV was on me, you should have killed me, and I quite frankly am insulted by being called a coward, and thus I kind of want to throttle you. Again, I'm trying to be nice.

Sorry maybe I overreacted. I have shot down damn near every single pilot worth shooting down...Snuggz, Derrith, Blackholenova or whatever his name is etc etc... Pythons now, Incubus during the rep wars, Judge during the OP swarms....My point is these guys PAY to be that good, why take that from them with a silly nerf or change to what is arguably one of the most diffifuclt things to do in DUST? They have invested HOURS and MILLIONS of SP and ISK while we all expect to be able to just trot on the field with an Anti Skill cannon of some sort and 1 shot them? Nothing is wrong with running when you take reasonable damage, Nothing is wrong with protecting your investment, while using it to its fullest extent to maximize its effectiveness. What the decrease in price WILL do is....give me a bunch more experimental ADS scrubs to farm with my overly honed tactics from fighting the pros. Game the FK on.

I also appreciate you backing me on this, it is much obliged.

Another thing, I would hardly call myself one of the best, just fortunate (mainly because when I do say that stuff, it always comes to bite me in the nuts).

@ bruwean?- I thank you for the compliment, I worked very hard mastering that, and again, I'll reiterate, I did not fly to flight ceiling. If I did, you would know it. Flying to the ceiling is the single most stupid thing you could do as a pilot.

And on you saying that the price should not be dropped, afraid I can't agree with you on that. There are many people still in this game that would make excellent pilots, had they the wallet I have. Why would you want to take that opportunity away from them when they could become just as good as some of the legends, if not better. Just because nine scrub pilots plague the skies doesn't mean that tenth doesn't deserve a chance.

Heck, I've been teaching two hopeful pilots how to fly. I'm afraid I haven't had much of a chance to see them perform as they do not like each other, and we all have IRL.

And if they are scrub pilots, you wouldn't have nearly as much trouble shooting them down as when you fought me.

I am going to guess that you had your militia swarms out and the python killed you instead of running away.

Forges and proto swarms easily send an ADS running and the only thing that lowering the prices is going to do is feed more points to AVers. The ones that do not get taken out by this will get taken out by scrubs spamming ADS and crashing into other ADS because they have to fly like clowns to even have an attempt at a shot at killing infantry.

You're just angry it requires teamwork to take out a good ADS pilot.

Try flying the ADS, if you think this will make it the FOTM. It still takes more skill than a Tank.

It shouldn't require more than one person to down my python. That's just bad for the game for reasons that have been explained to death. Anyone who subscribes to the idea that it should take at least 2 people to down my python can repeat that to themselves over and over as they bend over and take my python up there ass. (<- So getting banned from the forums for that.)

Buwaro, your testimony of experience on the ground as AV is invaluable. But it is only that, the view of someone on the ground. I recommend you broaden your perspective before you talk of how things should be. Give me a nudge if you ever see me online. I'll let you test drive my python... but you're paying for each one you get destroyed.

Well thats too much..didnt look at the numbers at all, ill admit.

They do need a bit of a CD increase though...MLT ones that i use have hardly any CD at all...This also applies for speed mods on tanks.

And before people ask, i do have an ADS alt and ill say personally that ADSes won't become FoTM because of the steep learning curve.

Think about it. The reason FoTM exists in the first place is that it is easy to use and skill into while offering a large advantage. The current FoTM (HMG Heavies) requires very little personal skill and minimal investment with a huge reward, which is the reason why it is such a dominant and long lasting FoTM.

ADSes are on the other end of the spectrum for most of the FoTM requirements-They require large amounts of SP and a lot of skill, have a hard counter, etc. They are in the right hands very deadly and even invulnerable to an extent, but thats as it should be.

With the HMG heavy remaining untouched, the FoTM meta will likely remain where it is.

God I miss when Blasters were actually useful for something.

Anyone who flies straight up (with or without afterburners) is just asking to be downed by a forge gunner (yes I am a forge gunner and a pilot among other things.) Before you go nerfing the already most skilled part of the game how about fixing the swarm launcher, currently nothing can save you from invisible and multishot swarms (yes it's glitched to hell.)

Other than that, what's the problem with going to the ceiling, you have problems with people moving behind cover when you shoot at them as well... Fact is you can't see or fire at jack **** from more than 100 meters away (at best) with a drop ship and well as overpowered as the Python missile bonus is against infantry they are so damn squishy against a railBus that it's your own fault that someone has dodged all those ground troops fire, learn to bring a friggin pilot with you, the more **** you got the more of an advantage you have in the match!

And I wish flying round a tower made the swarms fly into it, rather than watching them follow me around it... Too many times I turn around and watch the swarm get to the edge of a building and pull a 90 degree turn straight at me.

When they lowered the cost of tanks they completely forgot about the ADS.

Im all for bring back logi LAV since av got stronger and tanks, ADS, and lavs got nerfed....LLAV can't be abused the way they were before.

I agree that murder taxi was a problem, but when they changed the amount of damage you take when you get hit by a lav it would have fixed that problem and then logi lav could have been used as they were intended. As a lav that is used as a support lav then as an un-destroyable killing machiene