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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:18:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Look, I'm an ADS pilot, a tanker, a forger, and a ground guy, all at proto level.
ADS' are so easily counterable with forge guns it's not even funny. I was in a match, Skirmish, Ashland. There was this Python with Xt1's I was using my Rail tank along with my ADV Forge Gun while 2 other players sat on top of the rail thingies between B and C and another one shot Swarms at it. The dropship came down, killed a few people and started twisting and used its afterburner and went back to the ceiling. Only 2-3 shots managed to hit. If its armor was touched it just went back to it's supply depot back in the redline and repaired. EDIT: The twisting I can tolerate. Since it is not really that easy to twist around and try not to crash but when you combined that with super spped and a height no one other can reach except the dropship. yeah. It becomes a problem. And I am not saying to nerf the ADS. Just re-work the Afterburner module.
Oh my ba jesus, I got another hate thread!!! Haks, everybody, I was the guy in the python spamming xt-1s like a scrub!
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:48:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:
Another counter to this tactic would be lowering the flight ceiling to MCC height. Or a little higher. You can keep your Afterburner cooldown, but the only place you'll have to hide now is outside of the map or inside your redline.
I am just trying to prevent the next FOTM from happening. And this one looks very nasty. And if(when) it happens. People are going to call for a ADS nerf. Which will anger old and dedicated ADS pilots (like myself)
I just got to actually reading this whole little paragraph and the rest. Understand that as a veteran pilot (started the first day of chrome) I'm going to attempt to remain as cordial as possible. I've cut out this little tidbit as I want to address these issues.
First off, I didn't fly straight to the flight ceiling. Any pilot worth his salt would know that this is the most stupid thing you could possibly do. I used a little trick I like to call "evasive maneuvers". My flight style is called the drunk hillbilly in case you're interested.
Second off, you've already confessed to having a crap ton of AV on me. At one point, I believe you had two forges, two swarms both ADV, and a red line rail tank on me. With this much AV on me, you should have killed me ten times over. I don't know how you didn't, but apparently, maybe the forges were popping shrooms while shooting me. In the end, you didn't, and I was personally amazed that it didn't happen, as it should have if your AV had any form of coordination other than "hey he's back, shoot him"!
The next FOTM? Half the people I talk to can barely fly a gorgon, and that's one of the easiest things to fly. and on the whole "you couldn't shoot me down" thing. I think I can explain better as to how that didn't happen:
1) Maybe I've been doing this a long time.
2) Maybe I've faced similar situations and know the ADS protocol to fighting that much AV concentrated specifically on me. That rule is this "if the risk is too great, it's not worth it" I understood that your four forms of AV on the scaffolding and rail tank in the back wasn't worth the 500k isk and well over 12mil SP I sunk into my baby Laira (Laira being the ADS)
3) I need to go ahead and address the "cowardly ADS" comment you threw my way. Are you telling me that I'm supposed to stay in your firing range of five forms of AV and stay there while they unload clip after clip into me? There's no cowardice in running away from five forms of AV, it would in fact be stupid if I stayed and unloaded everything I had into you, I even tried doing quick dive bombs.
4) Maybe I didn't spend 3+ (that being minimum) mil SP into a proto suit and a proto AV like you all did. But I did however sink time, trial and error, isk and at least 10 million into my trade and I think I can say that I have proven myself as a pilot.
I've tried to remain as cordial as I possibly could while addressing you, but understand that after all that AV was on me, you should have killed me, and I quite frankly am insulted by being called a coward, and thus I kind of want to throttle you. Again, I'm trying to be nice.
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.07.13 04:51:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:id say reduce price, but increase AB CD
His numbers would kill our trade. That is my one beef with his solution. 50 seconds to a minute? Really?
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.07.13 05:46:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Sorry maybe I overreacted. I have shot down damn near every single pilot worth shooting down...Snuggz, Derrith, Blackholenova or whatever his name is etc etc... Pythons now, Incubus during the rep wars, Judge during the OP swarms....My point is these guys PAY to be that good, why take that from them with a silly nerf or change to what is arguably one of the most diffifuclt things to do in DUST? They have invested HOURS and MILLIONS of SP and ISK while we all expect to be able to just trot on the field with an Anti Skill cannon of some sort and 1 shot them? Nothing is wrong with running when you take reasonable damage, Nothing is wrong with protecting your investment, while using it to its fullest extent to maximize its effectiveness. What the decrease in price WILL do is....give me a bunch more experimental ADS scrubs to farm with my overly honed tactics from fighting the pros. Game the FK on.
I also appreciate you backing me on this, it is much obliged.
Another thing, I would hardly call myself one of the best, just fortunate (mainly because when I do say that stuff, it always comes to bite me in the nuts).
@ bruwean?- I thank you for the compliment, I worked very hard mastering that, and again, I'll reiterate, I did not fly to flight ceiling. If I did, you would know it. Flying to the ceiling is the single most stupid thing you could do as a pilot.
And on you saying that the price should not be dropped, afraid I can't agree with you on that. There are many people still in this game that would make excellent pilots, had they the wallet I have. Why would you want to take that opportunity away from them when they could become just as good as some of the legends, if not better. Just because nine scrub pilots plague the skies doesn't mean that tenth doesn't deserve a chance.
Heck, I've been teaching two hopeful pilots how to fly. I'm afraid I haven't had much of a chance to see them perform as they do not like each other, and we all have IRL.
And if they are scrub pilots, you wouldn't have nearly as much trouble shooting them down as when you fought me.
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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