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Clone D 486	Posted - 2014.07.12 12:41:00 - [1] - Quote If I am deploying uplinks, I take a dropship, not an ADS. Why would I take an ADS to deploy uplinks? It would be too vulnerable as I land, hop out, deploy and take off. If I am in my dropship and I see an ADS attacking my uplinks or my team, then I will ram it. It's that simple. Do you honestly expect me to go land, return my ship, wait for the probationary period, call in an ADS, fly out to find the ADS and dog fight like civilized men? How long would that take? Or I could simply spot the ADS with my dropship and ram it on the way to my next waypoint. My point is, I fly an ADS for anti-ADS warfare. I fly a dropship for uplink deployment. I understand the nuances of both, but I don't get why pilots call other pilots scrubs for using a ram tactic. It is a quick, viable attack and the ramming dropship often survives if the maneuver is performed correctly, while the rammed dropship often doesn't even see it coming. .
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 425	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:09:00 - [2] - Quote Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Clone D 486	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:17:00 - [3] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. Did you read the post, or simply respond to the title with a preconceived notion? The point is that ramming is a viable tactic. .
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3551	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:54:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. Did you read the post, or simply respond to the title with a preconceived notion? The point is that ramming is a viable tactic. Tbf, he may be sarcastic. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:59:00 - [5] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 469	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:08:00 - [6] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. Have you seen some of the people in this game? Honor means **** when the enemy has your whole team in the redline and keep moving their asses inside farming kills. My good sir, I'll be thinking about this the next time I'm sipping tea inside my JLAV.
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. Have you seen some of the people in this game? Honor means **** when the enemy has your whole team in the redline and keep moving their asses inside farming kills. My good sir, I'll be thinking about this the next time I'm sipping tea inside my JLAV. Not my fault the game put 16 randoms against 2 or 3 squads of 4 people each.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5636	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:14:00 - [8] - Quote Ramming is easier in ADSs, they're more agile, so you can master the "ram stomp" to destroy the enemy ship without damaging your own pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 957	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:41:00 - [9] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. Are we replicating formal duels or war? Because, that's why.
Beld Errmon 1775	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:42:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D wrote: If I am deploying uplinks, I take a dropship, not an ADS. Why would I take an ADS to deploy uplinks? It would be too vulnerable as I land, hop out, deploy and take off. If I am in my dropship and I see an ADS attacking my uplinks or my team, then I will ram it. It's that simple. Do you honestly expect me to go land, return my ship, wait for the probationary period, call in an ADS, fly out to find the ADS and dog fight like civilized men? How long would that take? Or I could simply spot the ADS with my dropship and ram it on the way to my next waypoint. My point is, I fly an ADS for anti-ADS warfare. I fly a dropship for uplink deployment. I understand the nuances of both, but I don't get why pilots call other pilots scrubs for using a ram tactic. It is a quick, viable attack and the ramming dropship often survives if the maneuver is performed correctly, while the rammed dropship often doesn't even see it coming. yes yes so you've said in every thread thats mentioned ramming recently, I look forward to seeing you in game, destroying your uplinks then destroying your dropships till you get ****** and spam swarms at me instead. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2444	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:49:00 - [11] - Quote Legit like RE fresbee. Legit like JLAV. Legit like every gamer in the world banging you m...... PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communist who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
Clone D 487	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:51:00 - [12] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: yes yes so you've said in every thread thats mentioned ramming recently, I look forward to seeing you in game, destroying your uplinks then destroying your dropships till you get ****** and spam swarms at me instead. I don't think it will be a challenge tapping the top of your expensive ADS on the way to my next drop site, so keep looking up. ADS pilots get so upset about having their ship destroyed that I have even offered them ISK so that they can have more fun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2070358#post2070358 The problem lately is that I've been getting a lot of hate mail from ADS pilots in game calling me a ramming scrub, which is not good sportsmanship. I simply started this thread to defend ramming as an effective attack procedure. I am sorry for your loss, but I will touch the top of your fragile expensive ship with my measly 30k dropship. There is really nothing you can do about it. Just know that it is coming and that it is the deadliest risk to ADS pilots. Be well. .
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 313	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote It's the same as... A dragonfly scout, milt shotgun, basic cloak, sneeking up and killing your unaware proto setup... Funny. Lonewolf till I die
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1307	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:31:00 - [14] - Quote The problem isn't that dropships can ram, the problem is the ridiculous damage from ramming, especially to shield derpships. Put them on even ground. Reduce the silly collision damage or at the very least, if a dropship kamikazes at full speed, both dropships get taken out. Personally I just think that the fact so many people ram dropships instead of shooting at them with dropship weapons clearly states that something is very wrong. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1307	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:32:00 - [15] - Quote Clone D wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: yes yes so you've said in every thread thats mentioned ramming recently, I look forward to seeing you in game, destroying your uplinks then destroying your dropships till you get ****** and spam swarms at me instead. I don't think it will be a challenge tapping the top of your expensive ADS on the way to my next drop site, so keep looking up. ADS pilots get so upset about having their ship destroyed that I have even offered them ISK so that they can have more fun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2070358#post2070358 The problem lately is that I've been getting a lot of hate mail from ADS pilots in game calling me a ramming scrub, which is not good sportsmanship. I simply started this thread to defend ramming as an effective attack procedure. I am sorry for your loss, but I will touch the top of your fragile expensive ship with my measly 30k dropship. There is really nothing you can do about it. Just know that it is coming and that it is the deadliest risk to ADS pilots. Be well. And you also just gave a prime example why this is not balanced gameplay. The risk vs reward is totally out of balance. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 860	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:36:00 - [16] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. Your a gallente talking about honor? Ha We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2006	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:38:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Clone D wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. Did you read the post, or simply respond to the title with a preconceived notion? The point is that ramming is a viable tactic. Tbf, he may be sarcastic. i think he is. the JLAV isn't a balanced tactic in dust since it can be done for free. risk= none. vehicle ramming needs more tweaking as its too viable and easy. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 4518	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:42:00 - [18] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. Are we replicating formal duels or war? ADS pilots put in huge amounts of efforts and ISK to get their ships and skills up to scratch, this has generated an attitude much like that of WW1 fighter pilots, we're all part of the gentry and should treat each other with fairness and respect. Ramming, while a perfectly viable tactic is basically the single biggest **** you possible to that attitude. no one likes losing ISK in such an unfair manner, hence why most pilots prefer duels as they can be fun and it makes the loss and victory feel much better.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4281	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:46:00 - [19] - Quote Valid tactic. When I do it, both ships go down. Mutual loss. Don't like it? Oh well. I don't like you ADS pilots being able to get out of range in less time than it takes me to charge my Forge Gun or faster than Swarms fly. Yeah, I suck. I'm a scrub. But, I didn't just lose a 200,000 ISK hull to a ruthless scrub in a MLT Dropship. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.07.12 15:47:00 - [20] - Quote DontChimpOut wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Nope, it's balanced. So is JLAV. This basically sums it up much better than I can. Duels were fought with honor in the old west. Ramming a derpship, as well as using a suicide LAV, would be the same as if someone turned around after only 2 paces instead of 10, turned around and started firing into the other person's back. There has to be at least a little honor when it comes to taking out vehicles. That may be true if there were any honor in driving vehicles to begin with. Fight on the ground with the rest of us mortals!!!

Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 156	Posted - 2014.07.12 16:34:00 - [21] - Quote Hah, people complain about ramming dropships? seriously what a bunch of babies. do you want us to just stand in a line and fire single volleys, too?
Evan Gotabor Prima Gallicus 43	Posted - 2014.07.12 16:36:00 - [22] - Quote Clone D wrote: If I am deploying uplinks, I take a dropship, not an ADS. Why would I take an ADS to deploy uplinks? It would be too vulnerable as I land, hop out, deploy and take off. If I am in my dropship and I see an ADS attacking my uplinks or my team, then I will ram it. It's that simple. Do you honestly expect me to go land, return my ship, wait for the probationary period, call in an ADS, fly out to find the ADS and dog fight like civilized men? How long would that take? Or I could simply spot the ADS with my dropship and ram it on the way to my next waypoint. My point is, I fly an ADS for anti-ADS warfare. I fly a dropship for uplink deployment. I understand the nuances of both, but I don't get why pilots call other pilots scrubs for using a ram tactic. It is a quick, viable attack and the ramming dropship often survives if the maneuver is performed correctly, while the rammed dropship often doesn't even see it coming. You said that only because you are no pilot. Now, get back spam your uplink on roofs, then ram the nearest ADS and come back on your roof with a rail rifle and a sentinel dropsuit. That is all someone like you is able to do ingame I bet. You said the concept of honour doesn't exist in that game ? And you are right about it, New Eden is a merciless world full of dirty players and tactics and we all know that. Nevertheless, among assault dropship pilots, we tend to do dogfights properly without ramming (or at least a part of us is doing this). I feel sorry that the "pilots" who use ram as their only counter to dropships and ADS can't understand that. The only time I accept the ramming tactic from other pilots and use it myself is in planetary conquest. Because in that kind of game, you know it is better to loose money than to loose the game. Dropship pilot
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.07.12 16:42:00 - [23] - Quote If I have ADS's destroying my links before I'm able to suicide and spawn back, you better believe I'm gonna ram that sucker. Catch me when I'm in my Forge Gun fit and we'll have an 'honorable' fight, until you run before I can get that last shot off. Catch me dropping links and then proceed to destroy them or chase my dropship after? I'll ram the snot out of you. I just wish collisions didn't glitch half the time meaning a full speed ram does no damage to either ship. CPM1 Candidate Youtube
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1701	Posted - 2014.07.12 16:45:00 - [24] - Quote Well it makes me think the other pilot lacks the skill of actually being able to fight with an ads, resorting to ramming because they can't otherwise. That's the usual case anyway which serves to pad my ego at the cost of my bank account. In your case it's just lame. I play dust for fun not efficiency. Sure running a proto suit would allow me to crush scrubs easier, more effectively and with minimum loss but that's not fun, for any of the parties involved. When I encounter a rail incubus with a good pilot I either outfit my gunners with forge guns and set them down somewhere or I go back to spawn recall my dropship and get out my missile tank. Not once does ramming cross my mind, I hold pilots to a higher standard than that.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 729	Posted - 2014.07.12 16:46:00 - [25] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: The problem isn't that dropships can ram, the problem is the ridiculous damage from ramming, especially to shield derpships. Put them on even ground. Reduce the silly collision damage or at the very least, if a dropship kamikazes at full speed, both dropships get taken out. Personally I just think that the fact so many people ram dropships instead of shooting at them with dropship weapons clearly states that something is very wrong. Of course something is very wrong. Why the hell would I want to shoot 3 swarm shots, then reload and shoot another shot at best to take down a DS? No one in their right mind is going to die from one swarm user, at least 2 are needed, which means you have 2 guys that are useless outside of stopping 1 person from raining dead. It's much more practical to have 1 person kamikaze and if you are still alive after the collision, you have a main weapon to work with.
Beld Errmon 1775	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:01:00 - [26] - Quote Clone D wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: yes yes so you've said in every thread thats mentioned ramming recently, I look forward to seeing you in game, destroying your uplinks then destroying your dropships till you get ****** and spam swarms at me instead. I don't think it will be a challenge tapping the top of your expensive ADS on the way to my next drop site, so keep looking up. easy to say, just cause you've clubbed some seals doesn't mean your gunna club my sky whale :) Rammers stopped bothering me the day I finished training incubus V and discovered how much I like the railgun vs dropships. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10406	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:05:00 - [27] - Quote Clone D wrote: IIt is a quick, viable attack and the ramming dropship often survives if the maneuver is performed correctly, while the rammed dropship often doesn't even see it coming. Dispite the fact that they move rather slow and appear on TACNET before impact, allowing you to easily swing to the side and evade them? Perhaps you should become better at flying your Aircraft. "I hope there's a special place in hell for you [AVers]" - Harpyja The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Clone D 495	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:16:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Perhaps you should become better at flying your Aircraft. I don't understand why you are accusing me of being a poor pilot simply because I use the ramming technique. I am a swell drop ship and ADS pilot, capable of keeping the best ADS pilots at bay with or without a turret. You can't handle these maneuvers, kid :P .
Seigfried Warheit Opus Arcana 341	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:33:00 - [29] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Personally I just think that the fact so many people ram dropships instead of shooting at them with dropship weapons clearly states that something is very wrong. Ramming dropships is safest and the easiest way to take out a dropship if you don't have the back up of the team (which there is a lot of solo players out there/crappy squads with randoms joined together with no comms)...once you start AVing at any vehicle really..its giving the signal "HEY LOOK I HAVE AV NOT A AI WEAPON" that blue ball of power/swarms of missiles are easily tracked back to the player and is almost guaranteed a free kill just gotta strafe enough to make them reload their sidearm and they are dead or just shoot them cause they are most likely focused on the vehicle. I use a DS to hump things...... I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor. c[_] Change spare change anyone
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10411	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:37:00 - [30] - Quote Clone D wrote: I don't understand why you are accusing me of being a poor pilot simply because I use the ramming technique. I am a swell drop ship and ADS pilot, capable of keeping the best ADS pilots at bay with or without a turret. You can't handle these maneuvers, kid :P 10m ISK says I can. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND



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