Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure.

Yes, agreed, the vehicle collision damage defineately needs a update. Your 500k ADS that you've invested millions of SP should not be able to be taken down with just a tap by a MLT DS that absolutely ANYONE can get with ease. This topic needs to be overviewed by CCP because it really is ridiculous!

So you agree that JLAVS should not not be possible to use?

That's different true, first you have to rig the JLAV so there is time to spot. Second you can shoot the front of the lav causing it to explode instantly, pythons are bad at air to air because missiles are very unreliable so even if your hitting the dropship you have to land 2-3 clips to down him before he touches you. Third, with the JLAV you have to have some speed to actually cause the detonation and destroy the tank, you can't just lightly tap it and cause it to explode, which is the case for suicide dropships.

JLAVing and suicide dropshipping are two completely separate things, one requires skill, the other doesn't.

Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

Boo hoo JLAV nuff said.

Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure.

one is built for combat meaning that it should be able with stand a hit for a militia drop ship which is built just for troop transport. I am in no way saying that an ADS should not take any damage, it is 2 drop ships hitting into each other after all, but the ADS should be able to survive.


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you see a 747 jumbo jet and a bi-plane slam into each other, they should both be destroyed?

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

In reality, two Aircrafts colliding with each-other would cause them both to crash, in-turn killing everyone inside and maybe even some bystanders nearby. Let's not go there.

Also, how are you having problems with MLT Dropships? They're super slow and appear on the TACNET a few seconds before impact, allowing you to escape with ease, then shoot them down if your aim's good enough.

Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

In reality, two Aircrafts colliding with each-other would cause them both to crash, in-turn killing everyone inside and maybe even some bystanders nearby. Let's not go there.

Also, how are you having problems with MLT Dropships? They're super slow and appear on the TACNET a few seconds before impact, allowing you to escape with ease, then shoot them down if your aim's good enough.

Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

one is built for combat meaning that it should be able with stand a hit for a militia drop ship which is built just for troop transport. I am in no way saying that an ADS should not take any damage, it is 2 drop ships hitting into each other after all, but the ADS should be able to survive.


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you see a 747 jumbo jet and a bi-plane slam into each other, they should both be destroyed?

Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

We play in a universe where we have the technology to have armor that easily withstands hypersonic rail slugs from a canon the size of our entire dropship, but tapping a building at 10 KM / H equals instant death.
Dust > Logic

Auto Inertia Dampeners for Dropships. Nuff said.

I'm not too knowledgeable on the vehicle aspect but my brain tells that vehicles are no longer a worthy investment. Unless you're talking about a sentinel and lav. Am I correct in this assumption?

Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy.

Take the Python for example.

You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod.
The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up.

Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?

I fly a Python, and I think this is a valid tactic. You are given high speed and manuverability and if they ram you then you are at fault for not paying attention to your surroundings.

Sorry, ADS swings the balance too much, they have to be critically vulnerable. They do 2 things that impacts everyone else; They destroy uplinks on roofs or in the open. This prevents a flank and keeps the fight just a ground level heavy vs scout vs heavy slugfest. They also provide air support to harass logistics vehicles and armor protection.

No other item in the game has the ability to make as much of an impact.

As for ramming, it makes complete sense. Its an airship, not a tank. It has systems designed to keep it in the air. One would only expect that a kinetic impact mid air with a similar size vehicle traveling at a high velocity would cause extensive damage. Cracked metal plates, cut wires, compromised fuel lines, loss of thrust, loss of targeting, ect.

Incase anyone is wondering, yes, I ram ADS all the time. If you fire on my milita dropship or destroy one of my uplinks, Im going to hurt your wallet by ramming your ads from the sky. My favorite method is to fly the ceiling till im high above a Python, then slowly lower myself down till im about 20M above it, then I cut all thrust and fall right on the roof of the Python. Both dropships go down in flames, sometimes with all hands on deck.

It is worth noting though, that Incubus ships are much less vulnerable to this tactic. Ive actually had Incubus pilots throw on the hardeners and ram me out of the sky without falling.

Forge guns

Large Missile Turrets

Swarm Launchers

Even Grenades and Plasma Cannons if you get to close.

I think you should complain less on the forums about a valid tactic and gain more experience in the air. It would serve you better.

And for the sake of argument, in reality if one aircraft collides with another aircraft at high speeds, what happens?

I have a few forge fits. Youll either run to the ceiling or run to your red line or put a building in the line of sight. The FG is more of a deterrent than a killer. After 2 hits youll run, so I can use it to keep you at bay. Only bad pilots stay around to risk the 3rd shot after ive nailed them twice in a row.

In any case, often the ADS survives and then dives down on me a few minutes later. I dont like spending all match forge gunning just so me and my team can have the ability to use rooftop spawns.

If you don't want/aren't prepared to play as AV all match, I suggest you don't bother at all, AVing is a role and vehicles are still a constant threat. I mean do you seriously expect me to be ok with my enemy spawning in advantageous location and not do my best to stop it? Even if it took 2 shots (which by the way, the first usually hits unnanounced), I would just wait until you stoped being an AVer and do it then



This is a moderate threat at most. Besides, in most matches, tanks will have destroyed all the turret installations within the first few minutes
You can also equip these to tanks, if I'm low enough to get hit, I'm dead, 1 large missile turret and I WILL recall my dropship.



You can outrun those. Also they hurt armor more than shields, and Pythons run when their shields are about to fail.
Yes and as I have said elsewhere swarm laumchers needs a top speed and acceleration buff. This I do not deny.



Yeah but again this is very situational. Not only do you have to be prettymuch in my face, I have to be dodging the XT-1 missile launcher if Im that close.

If I'm close enough, you simply walk under my hull (no seriously) I can't shoot backwards, only vertically down at best.


Look, I get that you are just trying to play the game your favorite way. Me too im doing the same thing. Im trying to prevent my team from being redlined by having several forward staging areas where we can rally and charge back. If you open fire on me in my milita dropship on the way to place uplinks, that dropship becomes a human guided missile.

I wont lie, most of the time I do prefer to FG the ADS. 75WP then you fly away, recharge, come back and give me another 75WP. Its profitable. But if youve impeded my ability to to provide my team with flanking options, then you gotta go.

P.S. Im not motivated by lack of having something. i have the ADS SP unlocked and I have a few Incus sitting in my garage. I practice flying on sunny days. Eventually my plan will be to use that as my main ADS killer. But until then, i use the options I have.

It's called AV

Forge guns
Large Missile Turrets
Swarm Launchers
Even Grenades and Plasma Cannons if you get to close.