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843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:16:00 - [1] - Quote Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it?
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 208	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:21:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not too knowledgeable on the vehicle aspect but my brain tells that vehicles are no longer a worthy investment. Unless you're talking about a sentinel and lav. Am I correct in this assumption?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11760	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:21:00 - [3] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? REDACTED CAUSE IM A **** Boo hoo JLAV nuff said. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 164	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 35	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:36:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, agreed, the vehicle collision damage defineately needs a update. Your 500k ADS that you've invested millions of SP should not be able to be taken down with just a tap by a MLT DS that absolutely ANYONE can get with ease. This topic needs to be overviewed by CCP because it really is ridiculous! Logistics ak.0 ADS Pilot PSN: Riptalis
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 35	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:42:00 - [6] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure. Most of the time a pilot can't survive due to the dropship pretty much landing on you... Logistics ak.0 ADS Pilot PSN: Riptalis
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11761	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:47:00 - [7] - Quote Riptalis wrote: Yes, agreed, the vehicle collision damage defineately needs a update. Your 500k ADS that you've invested millions of SP should not be able to be taken down with just a tap by a MLT DS that absolutely ANYONE can get with ease. This topic needs to be overviewed by CCP because it really is ridiculous! So you agree that JLAVS should not not be possible to use? "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1688	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:49:00 - [8] - Quote I fly my python for its handling. If I could take off the front gun for two extra seats I would. Transporting my shock team is more fun to me than slaying. It would be nice if they had to hit us hard multiple times to down us, or cause us to crash, but the try hards won't allow that.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1688	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:53:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Riptalis wrote: Yes, agreed, the vehicle collision damage defineately needs a update. Your 500k ADS that you've invested millions of SP should not be able to be taken down with just a tap by a MLT DS that absolutely ANYONE can get with ease. This topic needs to be overviewed by CCP because it really is ridiculous! So you agree that JLAVS should not not be possible to use? That's different true, first you have to rig the JLAV so there is time to spot. Second you can shoot the front of the lav causing it to explode instantly, pythons are bad at air to air because missiles are very unreliable so even if your hitting the dropship you have to land 2-3 clips to down him before he touches you. Third, with the JLAV you have to have some speed to actually cause the detonation and destroy the tank, you can't just lightly tap it and cause it to explode, which is the case for suicide dropships. JLAVing and suicide dropshipping are two completely separate things, one requires skill, the other doesn't.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:53:00 - [10] - Quote I find it impossible to solo assault dropships with my forge. I'll hit them twice and by the time my third shot is charged they are out of range.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11761	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:05:00 - [11] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Riptalis wrote: Yes, agreed, the vehicle collision damage defineately needs a update. Your 500k ADS that you've invested millions of SP should not be able to be taken down with just a tap by a MLT DS that absolutely ANYONE can get with ease. This topic needs to be overviewed by CCP because it really is ridiculous! So you agree that JLAVS should not not be possible to use? That's different true, first you have to rig the JLAV so there is time to spot. Second you can shoot the front of the lav causing it to explode instantly, pythons are bad at air to air because missiles are very unreliable so even if your hitting the dropship you have to land 2-3 clips to down him before he touches you. Third, with the JLAV you have to have some speed to actually cause the detonation and destroy the tank, you can't just lightly tap it and cause it to explode, which is the case for suicide dropships. JLAVing and suicide dropshipping are two completely separate things, one requires skill, the other doesn't. Neither requires skill and it ends the same way. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Vag Eye Lenol THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 56	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:35:00 - [12] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? How about if you had your hardner on that you didn't receive as much collision damage. But kamakaze certainly is a viable option. But i agree that it's wrong as it is. "This first CPM, much like the game itself, is still in a beta phase." <-- I know right?
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:53:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Boo hoo JLAV nuff said. How can a JLAV even touch a ADS? unless you found a way to make LAVs fly then it has nothing to do with this topic. In case you forgot you can't just take any LAV and crash into a tank and destroy it, you have to equip R/Es to it and that is what makes a JLAV. With Drop ship all you have to do is hop in a militia drop ship with nothing added to it and just tap an ADS and they both go down in flames, that makes a huge difference, so please unless you have your facts straight do not respond to my threads.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:56:00 - [14] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure. one is built for combat meaning that it should be able with stand a hit for a militia drop ship which is built just for troop transport. I am in no way saying that an ADS should not take any damage, it is 2 drop ships hitting into each other after all, but the ADS should be able to survive. Edit* you see a 747 jumbo jet and a bi-plane slam into each other, they should both be destroyed?
Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 803	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:01:00 - [15] - Quote I've seen too many battles where the side that has a veteran ADS pilot completely dominate the battle to have any sort of sympathy for them. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 585	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:19:00 - [16] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure. one is built for combat meaning that it should be able with stand a hit for a militia drop ship which is built just for troop transport. I am in no way saying that an ADS should not take any damage, it is 2 drop ships hitting into each other after all, but the ADS should be able to survive. Edit* you see a 747 jumbo jet and a bi-plane slam into each other, they should both be destroyed? but the bi plane would be the ads, which has less protection and size in exchange for greater maneuverability and the usage of a frontal turret. a militia/basic dropship is an armored troop carrier, but an ads is used similar to an attack helicopter (though the ads is really meant to just be a troop transport better for getting in and out fast while laying down suppresive fire)
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10357	Posted - 2014.07.11 02:23:00 - [17] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? In reality, two Aircrafts colliding with each-other would cause them both to crash, in-turn killing everyone inside and maybe even some bystanders nearby. Let's not go there. Also, how are you having problems with MLT Dropships? They're super slow and appear on the TACNET a few seconds before impact, allowing you to escape with ease, then shoot them down if your aim's good enough. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11774	Posted - 2014.07.11 02:30:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? In reality, two Aircrafts colliding with each-other would cause them both to crash, in-turn killing everyone inside and maybe even some bystanders nearby. Let's not go there. Also, how are you having problems with MLT Dropships? They're super slow and appear on the TACNET a few seconds before impact, allowing you to escape with ease, then shoot them down if your aim's good enough. I dunno dude I can get those things moving pretty fast in a death dive. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1677	Posted - 2014.07.11 03:06:00 - [19] - Quote I am perfectly fine with someone being able to ram me with a dropship and being killed. Sure it's annoying, but that's just called ganking, welcome to New Eden. However, there is a valid point to be made with regular collision damage. Shields (or perhaps just shield dropships) seem to take far more damage from collisions than armor does. Like I've tapped my Python against a building and lost most my shields (3k worth) but slamming my Incubus to squish a person doesn't even make it through it's shields (<1k). It's worth a revisit.
Dalton Smithe OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 103	Posted - 2014.07.11 03:34:00 - [20] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? I have played match after match and not seen any ADS die, unless it was pilot error crashing into an obstacle. Quite frankly after all the ADS pilots complained the tank into the ground, now it's an I win button for you guys. There is something wrong when I hit a python with 3 salvos of swarms only to see it fly off to lick its wounds, come around again, rinse and repeat. Dropships are the new FOTM. For the people who want to say..... "I have been flying dropships from the beginning so everything I say, makes sense and people need to listen to me" ><>< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< (`\ (`\ _> )_ _> )_ ,-' ,-. `;,-' ,-. `; `""/ /"" `""/ /"" `-" `-" Two craps, just for you......

Beld Errmon 1768	Posted - 2014.07.11 03:46:00 - [21] - Quote of course theres matches where you don't see them die, its a fast moving aircraft and quite expensive, many people that fly them can't really afford to and will run at the first sign of trouble, personally I lose them all the time, because I like to push the edge of sanity in a dropship, I will brawl with 3 rooftop forge gunners simply because I get a rush from the danger and killing them. Problem with ADS pilots is many don't see them as 1 of many tools in the tool box, the lyrics "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, Know when to walk away, know when to run." spring to mind, sometimes you gotta know when to recall em and pick another tool for the task. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.07.11 04:03:00 - [22] - Quote I have not been flying Drop ships since closd beta, i started when they first put ADS into the game and as of right now all it takes is a simple tap from a militia DS to destroy me and that is the problem. I agree that the DPS an ADS can generate is insane but how easy they can be destroyed is just stupid.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1690	Posted - 2014.07.11 05:17:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: In reality, two Aircrafts colliding with each-other would cause them both to crash, in-turn killing everyone inside and maybe even some bystanders nearby. Let's not go there. Also, how are you having problems with MLT Dropships? They're super slow and appear on the TACNET a few seconds before impact, allowing you to escape with ease, then shoot them down if your aim's good enough. In reality aircraft don't have shields either, but yes let's not go there. If you aren't already at a speed a few seconds is all it takes, and by few seconds I mean 1 or 2 no more.
edguy 111 Never 2 Late 43	Posted - 2014.07.11 08:06:00 - [24] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? i agree but even with gaston forge gun it take all to destroy a good ds pilot. i found ramming really really cheap but sometimes it the only way to destroy a nerd you spend the round swarming,forgegunning ect. waaaazzaaaaa!
wripple WarRavens Final Resolution. 192	Posted - 2014.07.11 08:23:00 - [25] - Quote We play in a universe where we have the technology to have armor that easily withstands hypersonic rail slugs from a canon the size of our entire dropship, but tapping a building at 10 KM / H equals instant death. Dust > Logic Auto Inertia Dampeners for Dropships. Nuff said.
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 168	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:18:00 - [26] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Hmmm. A derp ship flies into another derp ship. I see two dead derp ships. They are two aircraft hitting each other, neither should survive, pilots sure. one is built for combat meaning that it should be able with stand a hit for a militia drop ship which is built just for troop transport. I am in no way saying that an ADS should not take any damage, it is 2 drop ships hitting into each other after all, but the ADS should be able to survive. Edit* you see a 747 jumbo jet and a bi-plane slam into each other, they should both be destroyed? You are now comparing two different size aircraft. Both ads and transport drop ships are the same size. But to answer your question, both of the aircraft wouldn't be able to fly, thank you for further validating my original post Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 851	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:39:00 - [27] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Is is just me or does it seem like being and ADS pilot does not really seem worth it anymore? I mean sure its great to fly them and you can get huge amounts of kills from them, but they are so easy to destroy. Take the Python for example. You get a great bonus for small missile turrets, to the point that you can rain down hell on just about anyone or anything. If you get targeted by a FG, you can fly high enough to get away especially if you put on a speed mod. The thing that sucks is that any red dot and call in a Militia drop ship and crash into you and you both get destroyed, unless they happen to call in a Gorgon. Then the red dot survives with some hp left and land then either recalls his or just lets in blow up. Now in all reality shouldn't it take alot more then a Militia drop ship that crashes into you to destroy you? I think it should do some damage to it but not to the point of destruction. After all your flying an Assault Drop Ship, so should it not have the ability to survive a militia drop ship just crashing into it? I think you should complain less on the forums about a valid tactic and gain more experience in the air. It would serve you better. And for the sake of argument, in reality if one aircraft collides with another aircraft at high speeds, what happens? Medium frame EHP is not medium
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 851	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:44:00 - [28] - Quote wripple wrote: We play in a universe where we have the technology to have armor that easily withstands hypersonic rail slugs from a canon the size of our entire dropship, but tapping a building at 10 KM / H equals instant death. Dust > Logic Auto Inertia Dampeners for Dropships. Nuff said. I'm surprised that the manufactures didn't make auto inertia dampeners on dropships standard. They just don't care about us immortal's safety. o7 Medium frame EHP is not medium
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3062	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:53:00 - [29] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: I'm not too knowledgeable on the vehicle aspect but my brain tells that vehicles are no longer a worthy investment. Unless you're talking about a sentinel and lav. Am I correct in this assumption? I wouldn't say so! As an Incubus pilot, I enjoy nothing more than going on to fractured road and clearing out the pipes and concrete foundations around the Domination point. I have on numerous occasions won my team the match, simply by keeping that section clear. I also thourghly enjoy blowing up amd suppressing tanks on manus peak dom, the amount of times I have kept a missile tank from sitting on their enemy hill and raining death upon my team. Furthermore I have found my ADS particularly useful in most other doms. The trick is not to overstretch yourself. I have escorted tanks before, just the act of a tank firing aimlessly in the general direction of the enemy allows you to be in the open just that little bit longer. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Forlorn Destrier Vengeance Unbound 2671	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:55:00 - [30] - Quote I fly a Python, and I think this is a valid tactic. You are given high speed and manuverability and if they ram you then you are at fault for not paying attention to your surroundings. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning



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