DUST Search - If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be?

Bethhy wrote:

NAV HIV wrote:

Zion Shad wrote:

This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about.

If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be?

A complete NPE (New Player Experience)

Full player market

Full racial parity

Proper tools for Community Events

Player customisation

Shooting Range/ Training Room

Corp Social Tools

New game modes / variants

Corp Contract Battles (again)

Attention

If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Blink

Proper Hit Detection... 5 players shooting at the same time couldn't do any damage to a light frame... May be some server maintenance or something... Framerates on PUBS are lolworthy... Hit detection on certain players from certain Corps... Don't know if its the game or if those players are doing something special...

Hit detection works. Just completely assbackwards from how you would think it would work. It's more GTA hit detection then Counter-strike.

When your crosshairs "Red" is the only time CCP's servers and your playstation actually says"Ok your bullets will now hit" There is no dynamic hit detection and true hit scan weapons.

In Counter-strike you take your gun and crosshairs to the nearest wall and you fire at it... You see how your bullets travel and how your gun recoils and in what way ... The bullets then fly and behave around the characteristics of that gun in the crosshair, you learn how the bullets fly out of then gun and that is what you aim with.. Here is one of the more famous FPS players in gaming explaining what proper gun behavior looks like in a FPS. Bullets should essentially leave your gun and be able to slow down and see bullet trajectories. But there are only a few guns in DUST that do this.

In DUST? it's completely based off the "Red" crosshair.. Whether you are behind a wall, behind 10 team mates.. As long as that crosshair is "red" bullets are hitting you like they go through EVERYTHING else to get to you.

This is why even when your behind a team mate or walls your still getting hit.. Not because the server has your position different then your client. That is just a Cop out.. That would mean I would have to be in a completely different area on the server registry and so would my attacker by same theory and then how are the bullets tracking and hitting, how could the weapons actually be true hit scan weapons?

It's pretty evident CCP Wolfman just put a giant band-aid over the Aiming and hit detection mechanics of DUST... So even the way bullets register are completely ass backwards from any competitive shooter people where brought up on.

The Aiming and Hit detection mechanics of DUST in Chromosome made sense and created the sense of competition and player delivered shots. Uprising Aim assist and Hit Detection feels like someone is playing a giant joke on you when your playing.

It literally is the sole feature of this game that has created more rage quits then anything. Matchmaking has nothing on the poor concept and then implementation of the Aiming system and hit detection system of DUST 514.

I Do hope that goes on CCP Wolfman's Resume when he leaves. Cuz he did the same thing to MAG's hit detection when he worked there.

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Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2285	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:23:00 - [31] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: Zindorak wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Simple kdr matchmaking. Fixes a ton of problems, and since this game is on its way out, it fixes most of the ones that are ever going to get fixed. This So people with a high kdr can barely find a game? yeah no thanks. You wouldn't lack matches with a high kdr, you'd just be paying the 16 nearest your kdr. Every time. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1876	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:46:00 - [32] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Proper Hit Detection... 5 players shooting at the same time couldn't do any damage to a light frame... May be some server maintenance or something... Framerates on PUBS are lolworthy... Hit detection on certain players from certain Corps... Don't know if its the game or if those players are doing something special...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2154	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:20:00 - [33] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Proper Hit Detection... 5 players shooting at the same time couldn't do any damage to a light frame... May be some server maintenance or something... Framerates on PUBS are lolworthy... Hit detection on certain players from certain Corps... Don't know if its the game or if those players are doing something special... Hit detection works. Just completely assbackwards from how you would think it would work. It's more GTA hit detection then Counter-strike. When your crosshairs "Red" is the only time CCP's servers and your playstation actually says"Ok your bullets will now hit" There is no dynamic hit detection and true hit scan weapons. In Counter-strike you take your gun and crosshairs to the nearest wall and you fire at it... You see how your bullets travel and how your gun recoils and in what way ... The bullets then fly and behave around the characteristics of that gun in the crosshair, your learn how the bullets fly out of then gun and that is what you aim with.. Here is one of the more famous FPS players in gaming explaining what proper gun behavior looks like in a FPS. Bullets should essentially leave your gun and be able to slow down and see bullet trajectories. But there are only a few guns in DUST that do this. In DUST? it's completely based off the "Red" crosshair.. Whether you are behind a wall, behind 10 team mates.. As long as that crosshair is "red" bullets are hitting you like they go through EVERYTHING else to get to you. This is why even when your behind a team mate or walls your still getting hit.. Not because the server has your position different then your client. That is just a Cop out.. That would mean I would have to be in a completely different area on the server registry and so would my attacker by same theory and then how are the bullets tracking and hitting, how could the weapons actually be true hit scan weapons? It's pretty evident CCP Wolfman just put a giant band-aid over the Aiming and hit detection mechanics of DUST... So even the way bullets register are completely ass backwards from any competitive shooter people where brought up on. The Aiming and Hit detection mechanics of DUST in Chromosome made sense and created the sense of competition and player delivered shots. Uprising Aim assist and Hit Detection feels like someone is playing a giant joke on you when your playing. It literally is the sole feature of this game that has created more rage quits then anything. Matchmaking has nothing on the poor concept and then implementation of the Aiming system and hit detection system of DUST 514. I Do hope that goes on CCP Wolfman's Resume when he leaves. Cuz he did the same thing to MAG's hit detection when he worked there.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2154	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:33:00 - [34] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: Zindorak wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Simple kdr matchmaking. Fixes a ton of problems, and since this game is on its way out, it fixes most of the ones that are ever going to get fixed. This So people with a high kdr can barely find a game? yeah no thanks. You wouldn't lack matches with a high kdr, you'd just be paying the 16 nearest your kdr. Every time. You would just lack matches of any support roles what so ever. Matchmaking needs to be done based on skill points. It's the only way that has ever been done successfully in any RPG PVP based game. And luckily DUST has the ability to do so. You don't jump into world of warcraft.. play to lvl 20 and then they dump you in Battlegrounds with lvl 90's. It would make 0 sense. Pretty much same situation here... There is no reason a player with 5 million skill points and under should be thrown into matches with a bunch of players who have 40-60 million skill points. I would of loved a little more separation in the population, but it's to lacking in numbers currently to really split it any further. The Idea is more to create a new generation and group of DUST players that got to actually learn the game upto 5 million skill points before dumped into general population.
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:38:00 - [35] - Quote Player to player secure trading. It would be a nice temporary solution to not having a full featured player market, and I would love to be able to give my noob friends aurum gear to try out (I KNOW you like the sound of that CCP).
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:43:00 - [36] - Quote A new game mode. Ambush is just a massive zerg fest with horrible spawns, Domination quickly devolves into heavy spam or roof camping and is almost always extremely one-sided. Skirmish I spend most of the time just looking for people to kill.
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2286	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:28:00 - [37] - Quote Bethhy wrote: You would just get matches that lack of any support roles what so ever. Not if high kdr players started playing support roles. And besides, high kdr vs high kdr drops someone's kdr every time, so the population would adjust automatically. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 436	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:32:00 - [38] - Quote new game modes and variants... but I know I'm dreaming, so runner up is NPE
Zion Shad ZionTCD Top Men. 2331	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:28:00 - [39] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Zion Shad wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: How is this not a post about pipe dreams? Whether or not any of them come true is yet to be see. The purpose is fulfilled with player giving feedback with what they see wrong and show what they care about in this game. Fiend if you don't care to vote then why care about this post. No troll answer I just find it amusing to get peoples hopes up over things that very likely will never come to pass, is all. Asking a question and making a statment are 2 different things. How can you get hopes up without making a statment on at lest trying to bring one item to life. Beside I'm not going to bull$&@! This community. I didn't during fanfest and not going to now. If I'm put in CPM1 you will see a pic of me pouring Kool-aid on the floor. To the community, I'm here to get ammunition in the form of feedback connect to me name. For those that reacted to my twitte's during fanfest know this first hand. I fight for the users and thank u all for posting here o7 CPM1 Hopeful
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2287	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:29:00 - [40] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: new game modes and variants... but I know I'm dreaming, so runner up is NPE Kdr matchmaking fixes NPE. Believe it or not, it even improved all game modes to the point where you don't need new ones to make life worthwhile. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!

Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 2926	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:49:00 - [41] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks I marked both because Corp Battles weren't marked and CBs are a part of social tools 21-Day EVE Trial
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 457	Posted - 2014.07.11 03:27:00 - [42] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Definitely new game modes. But not like generic game modes, should be creative, new, and most importantly not boring.(I've basically just been driving an Lav, wasn't aiming for road kills just driving, for the past couple of games)
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1879	Posted - 2014.07.11 13:00:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Zion Shad wrote: This was a question asked from the Dust Vote Match site. After speaking with a long time Dust friend Ydubbs of RND and hearing his thoughts, I thought this would be something good to talk about. If you had to choose one feature for a Patch What would it be? A complete NPE (New Player Experience) Full player market Full racial parity Proper tools for Community Events Player customisation Shooting Range/ Training Room Corp Social Tools New game modes / variants Corp Contract Battles (again) If you have an idea that is not listed please post it up. Thanks Proper Hit Detection... 5 players shooting at the same time couldn't do any damage to a light frame... May be some server maintenance or something... Framerates on PUBS are lolworthy... Hit detection on certain players from certain Corps... Don't know if its the game or if those players are doing something special... Hit detection works. Just completely assbackwards from how you would think it would work. It's more GTA hit detection then Counter-strike. When your crosshairs "Red" is the only time CCP's servers and your playstation actually says"Ok your bullets will now hit" There is no dynamic hit detection and true hit scan weapons. In Counter-strike you take your gun and crosshairs to the nearest wall and you fire at it... You see how your bullets travel and how your gun recoils and in what way ... The bullets then fly and behave around the characteristics of that gun in the crosshair, you learn how the bullets fly out of then gun and that is what you aim with.. Here is one of the more famous FPS players in gaming explaining what proper gun behavior looks like in a FPS. Bullets should essentially leave your gun and be able to slow down and see bullet trajectories. But there are only a few guns in DUST that do this. In DUST? it's completely based off the "Red" crosshair.. Whether you are behind a wall, behind 10 team mates.. As long as that crosshair is "red" bullets are hitting you like they go through EVERYTHING else to get to you. This is why even when your behind a team mate or walls your still getting hit.. Not because the server has your position different then your client. That is just a Cop out.. That would mean I would have to be in a completely different area on the server registry and so would my attacker by same theory and then how are the bullets tracking and hitting, how could the weapons actually be true hit scan weapons? It's pretty evident CCP Wolfman just put a giant band-aid over the Aiming and hit detection mechanics of DUST... So even the way bullets register are completely ass backwards from any competitive shooter people where brought up on. The Aiming and Hit detection mechanics of DUST in Chromosome made sense and created the sense of competition and player delivered shots. Uprising Aim assist and Hit Detection feels like someone is playing a giant joke on you when your playing. It literally is the sole feature of this game that has created more rage quits then anything. Matchmaking has nothing on the poor concept and then implementation of the Aiming system and hit detection system of DUST 514. I Do hope that goes on CCP Wolfman's Resume when he leaves. Cuz he did the same thing to MAG's hit detection when he worked there. Very true... Counter Strike vs Dust is like comparing a shooting game vs Farmville... lol Hell even Serious Sam Had better hit detection.... I forgot about the Walls... The Proper aiming systems... Even now when i play BF4 or any other shooter after playing Dust, i get my ass handed to me for the first few rounds...lol I've been shot behind Containers... I ran away from the area in a scout suit, but that HMG bullet spray followed me... You know the Circular buildings and Domes ?! I've had bullets follow me around the the curve... I shot at someone from behind, the person sprayed before dying, but those bullets followed me around the curb lol... and people feel L33T doing that...
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3843	Posted - 2014.07.11 13:04:00 - [44] - Quote Full racial parity or player market. 'Flips coin' Racial parity. Just like every other Englishmen, I bath in tea, have no teeth and live in a castle.
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1879	Posted - 2014.07.11 13:23:00 - [45] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Bethhy wrote: You would just get matches that lack of any support roles what so ever. Not if high kdr players started playing support roles. And besides, high kdr vs high kdr drops someone's kdr every time, so the population would adjust automatically. High KDR players do play the Support Role, They flank the Red Dots, Drop uplinks (Not the ones you see on roof tops or the ones facing the wall or the ones infront of Red Uplinks) They also play the support role by keeping the other predators away...
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5627	Posted - 2014.07.11 15:00:00 - [46] - Quote New game modes/variants, then new maps, then racial parity. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2325	Posted - 2014.07.11 15:08:00 - [47] - Quote Racial Parity I want my amarrian HAV + large and small laser turrets If Not That Then Player Market *CEO/ Killing Clones Since Uprising 1.2/ ADV Omni Soldier/ Forum King/* God Favors The Side With The Most Artillery
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 225	Posted - 2014.07.11 15:41:00 - [48] - Quote Echoist wrote: I want the servers to be stable and consistent, I don't care if they say they can add so and so and hype it to the world's end. Cause at the end of the day what's the point of having all those pretty toys if you can't even have a smooth game where people are lag switching, or everyone in your squad suddenly teleports to the other side of the map. Once we have a smooth operating game then I think, we can go back to adding glitter to our guns and what not. I think you have network issues. I can count on 2 fingers the amount of individual games I've had with your problems in over a month. All the complaints about lag/glitching/lag switches... I never see them. I was amazed to see this start popping up again a few weeks ago. I don't have some super connection to the web but I do have a properly configured network with a wired connection to my PS3. If you can get a wired connection, it helps immensely
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2289	Posted - 2014.07.11 18:30:00 - [49] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Bethhy wrote: You would just get matches that lack of any support roles what so ever. Not if high kdr players started playing support roles. And besides, high kdr vs high kdr drops someone's kdr every time, so the population would adjust automatically. High KDR players do play the Support Role, They flank the Red Dots, Drop uplinks (Not the ones you see on roof tops or the ones facing the wall or the ones infront of Red Uplinks) They also play the support role by keeping the other predators away... Someone is making my argument for me. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
Zion Shad ZionTCD Top Men. 2337	Posted - 2014.07.11 23:28:00 - [50] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: I marked both because Corp Battles weren't marked and CBs are a part of social tools This is true because it grows interaction between groups CPM1 Hopeful

Mex-0 The dyst0pian Corporation 31	Posted - 2014.07.11 23:45:00 - [51] - Quote On second thought, maybe nerfing the damn heavies a TEENSY bit? The Fatties are getting too powerful. *The Dual Scrambler Rifle Commando*.
Bionic Hunter Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.07.12 02:39:00 - [52] - Quote BLOOD Ruler wrote: A training room,or player custi....wait what kind like a suit or the face. both
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 94	Posted - 2014.07.12 03:05:00 - [53] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Not taking my damn sidearm.
Xmar Handfelid GERO TECH INC. 30	Posted - 2014.07.12 04:40:00 - [54] - Quote Npe,player market, and new game modes. "If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 143	Posted - 2014.07.12 06:29:00 - [55] - Quote That god damned forum PM feature. Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
Xmar Handfelid GERO TECH INC. 30	Posted - 2014.07.12 08:18:00 - [56] - Quote Stuff like this would be helpful. "If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 859	Posted - 2014.07.12 09:01:00 - [57] - Quote Wierd, the one I want isn't on there. I want a full respec "I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4057	Posted - 2014.07.12 10:13:00 - [58] - Quote Match ***** making Seriously, even MARIO KART has it. In fact I'd say that Mario Kart 8 has the BEST matchmaking system I've seen. If you place high you get points. If you place low, you lose points...but not as much as if you were to pllace high If you have a high amount of points and you win against a bunch of noobs with low point totals you don't get many points for winning...which discourages experienced players from playing against noobs. You also lose a lot of points if you lose against noobs. If you have a low point total and you win a race against a bunch of higher leveled players you will earn a lot of points. If you end up in last place against these players, you won't lose many points at all. I seriously don't understand why a skillpoint based matchmaking would be a bad idea. Your skill points don't rise very fast over time, and a noob who let his account sit for 6 months would still be under 5 million sp. Even if they made it so that there was only two ranges...players with under 10 million sp and players with over 10 million sp, it would still make things a TON better than they are now. 10 million is debatable, but considering the vast majority of players having upwards of 30 million sp or more, at least the noobs wouldn't ever have to worry about running into them for a very long time. And best of all, us veterans don't have to worry about dumb blueberries taking up precious space in our matches. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!**
Clone D 486	Posted - 2014.07.12 10:47:00 - [59] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Simple kdr matchmaking. Fixes a ton of problems, and since this game is on its way out, it fixes most of the ones that are ever going to get fixed. Not everyone is a killer. Average War Points per minute is a better stat to use for matching players. At the end of each match, the rankings should be in order of war points per minute due to the fact that an outstanding player could get thrown into a match with 3 minutes left and achieve 500 WP, which is an excellent contribution to the team, yet appear low in the standings in the current ranking system (absolute WP earned in match). .
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2199	Posted - 2014.07.12 11:08:00 - [60] - Quote Clone D wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Simple kdr matchmaking. Fixes a ton of problems, and since this game is on its way out, it fixes most of the ones that are ever going to get fixed. Not everyone is a killer. Average War Points per minute is a better stat to use for matching players. At the end of each match, the rankings should be in order of war points per minute due to the fact that an outstanding player could get thrown into a match with 3 minutes left and achieve 500 WP, which is an excellent contribution to the team, yet appear low in the standings in the current ranking system (absolute WP earned in match). wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to complicated. This isn't JUST a FPS game. Where your trying to measure everyones slaying ability then match them up based on that. Dust isn't even completely about slaying.. Support plays near the same vital role and often doesn't score kills or WP's in abundance. Then we start looking at how vehicles and AV works.. and how they completely score differently then mercenaries in every way. This game is also a MMORPG like FPS game. So everyone is leveling their toon to then play a FPS game. You wouldn't have a new player Join World of Warcraft.. Level to lvl 20 and then through them into battlegrounds with a bunch of level 90's. It just wouldn't make sense. Same issue in DUST. Trying to segregate slayers out of the general population so they have to go play themselves in a perpetual group will hurt the learning curve of this game more then simply giving a place for new players to have a chance at competition.



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