The weapon has similar dps to the other rifles yet it has much more range, more damage per clip, and the best scope. It either needs reduced damage up close or a significant recoil increase.

That's exactly what I wrote in my notes not 2 hours ago.

Falloff Damage to hamper effectiveness in CQC is being considered by CCP.

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RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should.

It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed.

RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should.

It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed.

The weapon has similar dps to the other rifles yet it has much more range, more damage per clip, is more accurate and has the best scope. It either needs reduced damage up close or a significant recoil increase. One rail rifle user can effectively shut down entire swaths of the map, and god forbid if they have a vantage point and rep hives.

BTW why does the amarr sent get resist vs rails lol

RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover.

RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should.

It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed.

yea i also have to say a that guy from ns juthy whatever with a modded controller on a cr is just insane . hoping IWS put my idea up with ccp. go out and buy them controllers rework the programing to there favor with jam up up if set weapon fires over the limiter switch . like the hmg . did you know ar sort of over heats lol watch the end of the gun

The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor

RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should.

It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed.

yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions.

yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions.

Falloff Damage to hamper effectiveness in CQC is being considered by CCP.

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This killer gets it. +1000

Thats ridiculous, if they do that it will never be used. Its rail tech damage doesmt fall off up close. You give it more charge up time, a smaller clip, less amo overall. Something like that, if you make the damage magically fall off in cqc the weapon will be useless. Bc of the slow rate of fire its not that great in cqc compared to the cr for sure, id say for anyone who can strafe its not that good vs a plasma rifle either.

Then how come I can do just fine with it in cqc... keeping the hipfire reticule on them is fairly easy. Increasing the charge up time would do nothing, reducing the magazine size is pointless, and why even bother with ammo capacity? I think what everyone is freaking out about is the actual range of where it 'magically fall off". I only said that it should be similar, not exact to the laser rifle. The laser is surprisingly good at close range, I've killed plenty of people with it.

Then how come I can do just fine with it in cqc... keeping the hipfire reticule on them is fairly easy. Increasing the charge up time would do nothing, reducing the magazine size is pointless, and why even bother with ammo capacity? I think what everyone is freaking out about is the actual range of where it 'magically fall off". I only said that it should be similar, not exact to the laser rifle. The laser is surprisingly good at close range, I've killed plenty of people with it.

what some people are actually complaining about is they are running around out in the middle of a field like a fool and they get gunned down by a rail rifle at range so they cry nerf to be able to run around like a fool again. i no longer use the gun because of the last nerf they did to it even tho its the gun my assault suit gets a bonus to.

Headline reads: "Long range weapon kills people from long range, QQ ensues."

Again, OP, why don't you ever post on your main?

Did you even read what I wrote? I suggested less damage up close or more recoil to make it more difficult to use in CQC, I am fine with it doing well at long range. Im using an alt because my main is banned.

How are you going to induce more recoil in CQC without nerfing long range effectiveness?

How will the Rail Rifle be able to tell a CQC target from a Long Range target, when you engage?

Fine lets scrap the recoil idea. The rail rifle will just have reduced damage from say, 0-10 meters. It will then steadily increase until it does maximum damage at its optimal.

Its fun watch this forum, a nerf (insert name here) is aways in the first page =P

Well i think the RR is in a good place, CQC the only time they kill is if they get behind me and start shoting first or they outstrafe me...okay sometimes they dont need to strafe my aim sucks and they kill me anyway

Medium range i can duel fine, they shot and i can shot then back just fine, sometimes even just hip-firing with my CR, or AR.

Longe range, they **** me I am slow on most my suits (4 to 5m/s walk speed) so they put the aim in me with easy, and my CR does nothing, but its their territory so no QQ.

The spool up time give them a disadvantage when they are get by suprise, of course they can pre-fire while turning but it wast ammo and when they get the aim on the red the recoil is at max already.

Oh and, i only thinking about the STD versions of the weapons, its rare i use something above it so i cant tell that a Proto RR outgun a Proto CR or a AR at CQC or medium range.

No need to nerf, thats what i think Its a great weapon in its range and if you have good aim. A good weapon of the range and a very bad weapon if u can aim and cant control the recoil...thats my case

Charge up time does nothing when you prefire around walls and cover. It's no longer a factor when that is possible. Reducing the magazine size would be too large of a nerf with an automatic weapon. The point of this discussion is to give the rail rifle a weakness! It doesn't have one! Its too good at any range. There's also no point in using the STD over the Militia rail rifle (again, reducing the magazine from 45 to 36 did not decrease it's effectiveness). There are no draw backs to this weapon. It kills up close, and at range. Nearly every weapon has its weakness, while the rail rifle does not...

Fine lets scrap the recoil idea. The rail rifle will just have reduced damage from say, 0-10 meters. It will then steadily increase until it does maximum damage at its optimal.

Charge up time does nothing when you prefire around walls and cover. It's no longer a factor when that is possible. Reducing the magazine size would be too large of a nerf with an automatic weapon. The point of this discussion is to give the rail rifle a weakness! It doesn't have one! Its too good at any range. There's also no point in using the STD over the Militia rail rifle (again, reducing the magazine from 45 to 36 did not decrease it's effectiveness). There are no draw backs to this weapon. It kills up close, and at range. Nearly every weapon has its weakness, while the rail rifle does not...

This dude just said the weapon has no weakness bc it kills in its optimal range. Its optimal is the same as any other gun you idiot accept the rails is simply longer. So rail guns on tanks and vehicles would do less the closer you got as well?

This dude just said the weapon has no weakness bc it kills in its optimal range. Its optimal is the same as any other gun you idiot accept the rails is simply longer. So rail guns on tanks and vehicles would do less the closer you got as well?

If it does very similar dps to other weapons but is better across more ranges, then why would anyone use another weapon?

You have no concept of ranges or balance... do you? Balance suggests that a long range weapon should be only good at long range, yet it's good up close as well, which isn't balanced; therefore it has no weakness.

No, you are wromg. It has many weaknesses. It has a small clip size now. It has a charge up time, you can say it doesnt matter but vs other guns its there and its not there with the other guns, so it matters. It has a slow rate of fire. These are the three weaknesses built into the gun, according to ccp perhaps you should read their blog. Where they also say the weapon should be very accurate at cqc.

If it does very similar dps to other weapons but is better across more ranges, then why would anyone use another weapon?

Also most weapons in this game have similar dps, thats why other things are used to balance the gun. Everything from hip fire dispersion, clipsize, ammo capacity, rate of fire, optics, overheat, pre charge, range, etc etc. You must learn to look at all attributes of a weapon. This takes time in Dust.

45 rounds in a magazine is small? Charge up time is laughably low, and a slow rate of fire is compensated with high damage per bullet, which is in no way a weakness. What point are you trying to make? I assume you're just terrible at using it?

Oh my... you just mentioned range. The fact that it has no weakness at close range is the entire point of our 'discussion'.

You have no concept of ranges or balance... do you? Balance suggests that a long range weapon should be only good at long range, yet it's good up close as well, which isn't balanced; therefore it has no weakness.