DUST Search - The rail rifle is overpowered

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:

CUSE TOWN333 wrote:

RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover.

The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor

yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions.

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hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2014.07.09 03:59:00 - [1] - Quote The weapon has similar dps to the other rifles yet it has much more range, more damage per clip, is more accurate and has the best scope. It either needs reduced damage up close or a significant recoil increase. One rail rifle user can effectively shut down entire swaths of the map, and god forbid if they have a vantage point and rep hives.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 28	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:00:00 - [2] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: The weapon has similar dps to the other rifles yet it has much more range, more damage per clip, and the best scope. It either needs reduced damage up close or a significant recoil increase. http://i.imgur.com/LXiOUEi.gif
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3644	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:02:00 - [3] - Quote This is not new information. Believe it or not it was much worse in 1.7. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10318	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:07:00 - [4] - Quote Falloff Damage to hamper effectiveness in CQC is being considered by CCP. Source: CCP Rattati wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: I still think that the rail rifle should have an effect similar to the laser rifle's close up reduced damage, as it's suppose to be a long range weapon, but is still ludicrously good at CQC due to it's damage output. That's exactly what I wrote in my notes not 2 hours ago. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 28	Posted - 2014.07.09 04:10:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Falloff Damage to hamper effectiveness in CQC is being considered by CCP. Source: CCP Rattati wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: I still think that the rail rifle should have an effect similar to the laser rifle's close up reduced damage, as it's suppose to be a long range weapon, but is still ludicrously good at CQC due to it's damage output. That's exactly what I wrote in my notes not 2 hours ago. Forgot about that --_-- Corp name,
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 580	Posted - 2014.07.09 05:20:00 - [6] - Quote IMA FIRE MAH LAZOR!!! Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10738	Posted - 2014.07.09 05:49:00 - [7] - Quote Look at how many fucks my Duvolle gives! Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 594	Posted - 2014.07.09 13:24:00 - [8] - Quote Cal scouts use CR, SCR and Shotguns for CQC that I've seen. If you nerf the RR, Then just get rid of the Caldari Assault suit so we can dump the skills into the current FOTM. Scouts, Heavies and CR's...Oh My!
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1445	Posted - 2014.07.09 13:34:00 - [9] - Quote RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should. It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed.
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 595	Posted - 2014.07.09 13:36:00 - [10] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should. It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed. This killer gets it. +1000 Scouts, Heavies and CR's...Oh My!

Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6040	Posted - 2014.07.09 13:57:00 - [11] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should. It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed. I agree with this. It sucks in close quarters compared to everything else and can easily be strafed through. BTW, Why don't you post on your main OP? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Spaceman-Rob Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 441	Posted - 2014.07.09 14:00:00 - [12] - Quote Agreed that rr at cq is pretty bad due to the spool up, at long range it's pretty decent.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2133	Posted - 2014.07.09 14:04:00 - [13] - Quote RR is OP when it has the opportunity, but no more than a laser, shotty, re's, hmg etc. The idea is to recognise the threat and bring the user into your area of power. Basically don't start 70m fights with a RR, if you can't beat it at 70m Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 813	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:26:00 - [14] - Quote RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3468	Posted - 2014.07.09 15:27:00 - [15] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: The weapon has similar dps to the other rifles yet it has much more range, more damage per clip, is more accurate and has the best scope. It either needs reduced damage up close or a significant recoil increase. One rail rifle user can effectively shut down entire swaths of the map, and god forbid if they have a vantage point and rep hives. Shut up you fatsuit twatt. You are just mad that your HMG gets outranged.
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound 185	Posted - 2014.07.09 16:55:00 - [16] - Quote its ok where its at just needs a SLIGHT i mean slight dps lowering like 2 to 5 damage off it . just feels off amarr and cal have long range and gal and minny are short range . btw why does the amarr sent get resist vs rails lol
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 854	Posted - 2014.07.09 17:17:00 - [17] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: BTW why does the amarr sent get resist vs rails lol IKR , it seems like another rush job to get thing in place and apply bonuses that were not very well thought out . I.E. Assault suits . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 724	Posted - 2014.07.09 17:31:00 - [18] - Quote if you think its op you're fighting it in the wrong range.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 43	Posted - 2014.07.09 18:11:00 - [19] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover. The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3517	Posted - 2014.07.09 18:19:00 - [20] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should. It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's bad enough in CQC. It out ranges every rifle and the DPS is not much lower then the others, plus it takes into account the extremely short charge up time. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound 187	Posted - 2014.07.09 18:20:00 - [21] - Quote yea i also have to say a that guy from ns juthy whatever with a modded controller on a cr is just insane . hoping IWS put my idea up with ccp. go out and buy them controllers rework the programing to there favor with jam up up if set weapon fires over the limiter switch . like the hmg . did you know ar sort of over heats lol watch the end of the gun
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2447	Posted - 2014.07.09 18:52:00 - [22] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: yea i also have to say a that guy from ns juthy whatever with a modded controller on a cr is just insane . hoping IWS put my idea up with ccp. go out and buy them controllers rework the programing to there favor with jam up up if set weapon fires over the limiter switch . like the hmg . did you know ar sort of over heats lol watch the end of the gun Not nly does the AR sort of overheat it actually overheats, it's just that the clips not large enough for that to occur unless you are using an officer AR. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 818	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:19:00 - [23] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover. The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 111	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:30:00 - [24] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: RR is already very weak in CQC. It gets destroyed by ARs, CRs and ScRs, as it should. It's not just the DPS (though that is a lot lower than the other rifles), it's also the charge time and low rate of fire, which makes application of theoretical DPS much harder at close range. Nerf its close range effectiveness any further and it will be strictly for camping roofs and outskirts, no run-and-gun allowed. Pre-firing eliminates charge time when shooting around corners, it works like any other rifle at close range, and I find it easy to use. Unless someone is is using a shotgun, Bk-42, or HMG, It shreds through everything at every range, and is almost a guaranteed kill.
Justice Prevails 279	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:34:00 - [25] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover. The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions. This. Primary weapon on cal commando. Tear it up in wide open areas but have to carry an AR or a shotgun when closing in on objective. The RR has bailed me out of a few CQC scrapes, but only after the red's HP was whittled down by the other weapon. As far as PC goes, would probably would have done better If I used my Duvolle. Not many people running blindly across open fields in PC. Embracing my inner scrub since 2013.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:47:00 - [26] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: RR is by far the most under powered rifle in the game hence why you never see it in a PC match. my whole suit was made around the RR as i run caldari assault. got to understand that on paper DPS and range don't all ways work out in game. it takes to long to get thru someones shield giveing them plenty of time to get to cover. The killfeed disagrees. I also disagree. I have tried all of the rifles and the rr is crazy melt city. The cr is powerful but doesnt really feel op although ive never tried the assault cr. I wonder if the rr damage profile works right because it seems to rip through shields just as fast as armor yes the gun does work well in pub matchs because most players are in low ter dropsuits with low HP. the killfeeds in PC all ways look different in PC than pubs because all the OP guns are used in PC. try to fight a caldari scout with a assault combat rifle in a PC battle with your rail rifle then tell me how great the gun is. plus you need to understand that the rail rifle works in pubs because everyone is no where near the objectives sitting on a roof or hill picking people off with a rail rifle but try to get near the fight with the gun and you will get ripped apart by combat rifles HMGS and shotgun scouts. plus the charge up time does not matter in pubs because the bad players your shooting at have slow reactions. The production facility map is always full of rail rifle users on the satellite dish with LOS on both of the city objectives.
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 62	Posted - 2014.07.09 20:08:00 - [27] - Quote It's grown on me since ive complained about it Join the dark side But i agree its a little to strong
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 44	Posted - 2014.07.09 20:33:00 - [28] - Quote Who cares about pc?
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6044	Posted - 2014.07.09 21:11:00 - [29] - Quote Headline reads: "Long range weapon kills people from long range, QQ ensues." Again, OP, why don't you ever post on your main? Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2014.07.09 21:27:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Falloff Damage to hamper effectiveness in CQC is being considered by CCP. Source: CCP Rattati wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: I still think that the rail rifle should have an effect similar to the laser rifle's close up reduced damage, as it's suppose to be a long range weapon, but is still ludicrously good at CQC due to it's damage output. That's exactly what I wrote in my notes not 2 hours ago. Thats ridiculous, if they do that it will never be used. Its rail tech damage doesmt fall off up close. You give it more charge up time, a smaller clip, less amo overall. Something like that, if you make the damage magically fall off in cqc the weapon will be useless. Bc of the slow rate of fire its not that great in cqc compared to the cr for sure, id say for anyone who can strafe its not that good vs a plasma rifle either.



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