Doesn't mean you'll be able to use it well.

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

Oh, so proper typing means I'm somebody? There's over 7 billion people on the planet, yet you're so certain I'm that one person? Maybe you should be a psychic or something.

I'll help out a bit with context.

Previously there was quite a few modules added before the Vehicle 'nuke' was brought in.
-We have various different types of weapon upgrades that adjusted how turrets behaved (turn rate, rate of fire, and heat)
-There was navigation modules that adjusted navigation; agility vs acceleration (instead of straight up speed bonus) Some of these were useful some of them were not and they required significant investment to make worthwhile and the modules encouraged stacking.
-There was weapon turret variants some where ignored due to poor functions or some had just superior functions (explosive railgun for example was just used because it was better against infantry.
-Remote Repair modules basically removed on the grounds that the vehicles that used them where removed.
-We had 'medium' plates that were removed as they offered a bit too much to LAVs.
... Bottom line most of these where removed because they were in fact extra noise module just to have modules and many of them where either far too much go to or far too much don't even bothers.

Logistic LAVs, Scout LAVs, Logistics Dropships, and Enforcer HAVs were removed simply on the grounds of the roles they did not fulfill. For example the Logistics LAV managed to turn into the ultimate murder taxi and was among the hardest vehicles to destroy because of it. So many of these vehicles did not fulfill the intended roles. Some of these may require some really creative tinkering to make them feel just as unique as the assault dropship the only specialist vehicle to survive the purge because it was the only one that had a role.

We are open to smart prioritized suggestions, for example, a LogiLav with Tank speed

We are open to smart prioritized suggestions, for example, a LogiLav with Tank speed

Suggestion: add a variation to the ammunition modules:

Infantry Ammo Expansion Unit

* Low slot
* Same fitting costs as other ammo expansion units

Provides 10% ammo resupply rate to passengers.

Well I think the solution is simple; Reduce speed to one that is in between the LAV and The tank, Call is an MSV (medium support vehicle) and assign the icon of medium vehicles.

change The turret for a logistics turret, so the "gunner" will be the one doing the repping instead of the driver and increase survivabilty accordingly.


There we go, balanced, useful, and more importantly returned to the game.

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Do the same For Dropships: Give them considerably more HP, reduce their speed to militia levels, Make the gun a logistics turret and vuala: It's Tank can't be exploited to rain death on enemies since it has no offensive capabilities.

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Both turrets need to be activated on infantry and vehicles and should completely outclass that repair tool because It 1) needs two operators and 2) it should costs considerably more.

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Make the skills give 5% to repping tool distance and give the base distance the same as the Lai Dai Flux repair tool since one of the major factors to repping things with Logi vehicles was the distance at which you were able to rep things

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ENFASIS ON NO OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES... includes roadkilling (jelly bumber to not harm mercs... troll troll but will be necesary due to the survivability they should have)

Well I think the solution is simple; Reduce speed to one that is in between the LAV and The tank, Call is an MSV (medium support vehicle) and assign the icon of medium vehicles.

change The turret for a logistics turret, so the "gunner" will be the one doing the repping instead of the driver and increase survivabilty accordingly.


There we go, balanced, useful, and more importantly returned to the game.

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Do the same For Dropships: Give them considerably more HP, reduce their speed to militia levels, Make the gun a logistics turret and vuala: It's Tank can't be exploited to rain death on enemies since it has no offensive capabilities.

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Both turrets need to be activated on infantry and vehicles and should completely outclass that repair tool because It 1) needs two operators and 2) it should costs considerably more.

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Make the skills give 5% to repping tool distance and give the base distance the same as the Lai Dai Flux repair tool since one of the major factors to repping things with Logi vehicles was the distance at which you were able to rep things

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ENFASIS ON NO OFFENSIVE CAPABILITIES... includes roadkilling (jelly bumber to not harm mercs... troll troll but will be necesary due to the survivability they should have)

You're going about it wrong. you're making the pilot just that, a pilot. He does nothing other than fly the thing, which is why you almost never see a regular DS or LAV used like it should. Because someone doesn't want to just sit there and drive, we want something to do to.

They need turrets as well, as they will be primaried quickly and need some means to defend themselves with. As well, logi suits get a weapon, so why not vehicles? And the turrets requires you to have a gunner, which requires teamwork, and whom can be shot out of the turret rather simply.

5% distance is worthless, especially for a dropship. Make that a 50% boost to range. At max levels, the range should be measured in the hundreds of meters. This gives room for the logi vehicle and its target to move around without having to hump each other. 30m works well for infantry, but not vehicles.

Murdertaxis were not the fault of the LLAV, but the fault of how ramming damage was calculated. Now that they fixed it, LLAVs can return with their strong defenses without worrying about this.

This man speaks of Logis.....real logis.... and real logi bonuses.....even if he is having trouble emphasising his point.

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

We are open to smart prioritized suggestions, for example, a LogiLav with Tank speed

-Will we ever get the rest of the vehicle racial for dust?

Not sure, will listen to vehicle player feedback on what could/should be reintroduced first and why

Not sure, I wasn't around when they were removed, need to understand the reasoning

Very unlikely

Very unlikely

If you mean the Enforcer and those variants, maybe, if they don't ruin balance.

If I had to design a Logistics LAV in consideration of hotfix restraints.

... Is going to be difficult.

I have no idea how robust the effects systems are but I see no way without my own tinkering is how to make new effects needed for the roles; and I am very unsure if any of the old ones still exists in dust 514 client.

So harkening back to what can be done meanwhile other options get explored.

LAV Itself

Logistics LAVs will share the same color pattern as the Logistics Suits, Yellow

Logistics LAVs need to be tougher than standard LAVs.

Logistics LAVs needs to be SLOWER than standard LAVs before moduled.

Logistics LAV largest mobility hamper however is not the max speed but acceleration.

Logistics LAVs could have significantly more EHP than an LAV but must never rival an HAV itself.

Logistics LAVs fitting capabilities should

The Role of the Logistics LAV is Squad Support and Allied Vehicle Support depending on the fit.

LAVs in general need to have Transport assists distance could be adjusted to help balance.

Any Vehicle with an MCRU should be able to get reward points for it.

HAVs need to be able to pose a significant threat that should be avoided contact with as a Logi LAV; the Logi LAV MUST utilize tactics and proper module use to survive and escape.

Slot Layout could be superior to the LAV it is based on; only on the grounds weapons are removed from the fit or more significant drawbacks are given to the Logi LAV such as additional loss in speed that cannot be recouped back with a speed mod.

Logi LAV Toolbox.

These will require exploration

Deployables - One way a logistics vehicle can help others is the potential to 'throw down' equipment. I am unsure of this being possible considering that friendly fire can be an issue as well combined that giving a trait normally reserved for infantry into vehicles but its worth a shot. If this is feasible the following tools should be added. If possible this opens implications for the LAV's other cousin the Scout LAV as well. There is a few logistical types of deployables that could use existing assets to allow these to reasonably understand work

Turrets - Previous mechanics with the remote logistics made it rather clunky and unfun to use. Which brought back the idea; people have purposed to use the turrets as a replacement mechanic instead and I think it has merit using the repair tools mechanic to manage it without changing the effect; the only thing required would be to reskin the blasters to be a golden color to help indicate to gunners the logistical turret instead. If its is well above and beyond unfeasible then return as the module as is would suffice to some disappointment.

Another tool worth exploring is the concept of a mobile supply depot; this should be a significantly weaker version but all those nearby should be able to be slowly resupplied including vehicles.

The final tool worth exploring is aoe pulses- we know this is in game as the sensor pulse but I am unsure how feasible it would be to get that effect to change color or assign that pulse a different effect outside of its assigned one; if can be done on both fronts then we will be set up for infantry support.



Ideally the three of these if possible would be excellent as it would allow focus on roles of new modules to complete the toolbox for both Dropship variants and LAV variants.

In other words, for the people who are confused by DUST terms: when hell freezes over and pigs start flying.