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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.06.30 20:27:00 -
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amarr are best with laser weapons because they have the best heat control
minmatar have the biggest clip sizes with projectile weapons
gallente have the most best hip fire accuracy with plasma weapons
caldari gets faster reload?
thats not even a direct combat bonus. it doesnt let us shoot longer like the amarr and minmatar bonuses and its doesnt give us a application bonus like the gallente.
give us a range bonus. here's why. all the other races have bonuses that effect the weapon on a per clip basis. if im not amarr assault and i use a scrambler rifle and attack an amarr assault with a scrambler rifle, ill over heat before he does.
if im not minmatar assault and i use a combat rifle vs a minmatar assault, my clip will run out before his does.
if im not gallente assault and i use an assault rifle vs a gallente assault in cqc and hip fire it. ill wont be as accurate as him.
but anyone can pick up a rail rifle and use it with the same accuracy, clip size, charge up time, and range as a caldari assault.
caldari assault needs a better bonus, and i think a range bonus would be perfect for them |
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
Intrepidus XI EoN.
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:11:00 -
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Yeah they need a better bonus but more range isn't it. That'll just bring back the OP complaining when caldari assaults start wrecking people at 120m+ with militia rail rifles, and create further imbalances between the rifle classes. Strengthening their ROF, damage or shield mod efficiency the way to go to improve their combat abilities.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:15:00 -
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Solid sustained long range fire?
Sounds absolutely perfect for a Caldari Bonus.
Never underestimate how amazing shorter reloads are. I love them on my Commando.
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:25:00 -
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Yeah they need a better bonus but more range isn't it. That'll just bring back the OP complaining when caldari assaults start wrecking people at 120m+ with militia rail rifles, and create further imbalances between the rifle classes. Strengthening their ROF, damage or shield mod efficiency the way to go to improve their combat abilities.
actually i just want the optimal rage increased. not the effective range.
so the effective range would still be 100m for all rail rifles, but instead of a 75m optimal range, the caldari would get 90m
the downside to this is extremely sharp drop in damage between 90m and 100m |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:27:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Yeah they need a better bonus but more range isn't it. That'll just bring back the OP complaining when caldari assaults start wrecking people at 120m+ with militia rail rifles, and create further imbalances between the rifle classes. Strengthening their ROF, damage or shield mod efficiency the way to go to improve their combat abilities. actually i just want the optimal rage increased. not the effective range. so the effective range would still be 100m for all rail rifles, but instead of a 75m optimal range, the caldari would get 90m the downside to this is extremely sharp drop in damage between 90m and 100m
As leery as I am about increasing range at all via bonuses/skills, increasing only optimal is actually more reasonable than increasing effective.
Like my ideas?
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Solid sustained long range fire?
Sounds absolutely perfect for a Caldari Bonus.
Never underestimate how amazing shorter reloads are. I love them on my Commando.
yea except the scrambler rifle and combat rifles are shorter. actually the scrambler rifle is non existent when you skill into it |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:30:00 -
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its just aggravating that caldari are the long range specialists and we dont have a range advantage |
Yoma Carrim
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.06.30 22:33:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:its just aggravating that caldari are the long range specialists and we dont have a range advantage how about a 5% buff to optimal but keep effective the same that way we are less effected by damage drop off but don't actually get more range than other rail weapon users?
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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK
Intrepidus XI EoN.
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Posted - 2014.06.30 22:40:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:its just aggravating that caldari are the long range specialists and we dont have a range advantage how about a 5% buff to optimal but keep effective the same that way we are less effected by damage drop off but don't actually get more range than other rail weapon users?
If you're suggesting 1% per level i could get behind that, so long as it doesn't go past 10%. Nonetheless I still think they need a bonus to shield module efficiency to give them proper shield tanking capabilities.
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.06.30 22:42:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:its just aggravating that caldari are the long range specialists and we dont have a range advantage how about a 5% buff to optimal but keep effective the same that way we are less effected by damage drop off but don't actually get more range than other rail weapon users?
thats what i said. 5% per level would give us 93.75m optimal range
keep in mind though, that this would give a huge damage drop off between 93.75m and 100m. basically the enemy could take a few steps back and be completely safe lol |
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.06.30 23:36:00 -
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NOBODY needs more range with rail rifles. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.06.30 23:38:00 -
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Only if you buff the LR range to 120m.
One thing this game does not need to come back is invisible RR's with double the range of the AR, 30% more than ScR/CR, and equal to the LR.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.07.01 00:38:00 -
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No, it needs to be Amarr- heat reduction Minmatar- increase clip size Gallente- higher RoF Caldari- hip fire accuracy
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
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Posted - 2014.07.01 01:54:00 -
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The current Assault bonuses are supposed to lessen the downsides of their racial weaponry:
Gallente Weapons are inaccurate - Gallente Assault increases accuracy Minmatar weapons have small clips - Minmatar Assault increases clip size Amarr weaponry have heat - Amarr Assault lessens heat build up Caldari weapons take a while to reload - Caldari Assault quickens reload
The bonuses weren't random they play off the weakness of their racial weapons.
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Insufficient Data
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:34:00 -
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Although the reload bonus is kinda crap. It seems to be the right choice ATM, because if the RR gets more range you might as well be a typical red line sniper, pipeline sniper, crows nest sniper, etc. At lv4-5 reload speed with RR the Cal assault has the advantage to control your engagements in and out of the guns effective range.
It's true the all other assaults as under used as they are now have a good sense of where they need to be right now in a racial bonus way. Caldari on the other hand has a gimmick built around it's racial weapon, because if it changed the weapons performance radically the only assaults out there would be the Amarr and Cal as top 2.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.01 06:21:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:The current Assault bonuses are supposed to lessen the downsides of their racial weaponry:
Gallente Weapons are inaccurate - Gallente Assault increases accuracy Minmatar weapons have small clips - Minmatar Assault increases clip size Amarr weaponry have heat - Amarr Assault lessens heat build up Caldari weapons take a while to reload - Caldari Assault quickens reload
The bonuses weren't random they play off the weakness of their racial weapons. They aren't random, but Gallente and Caldari are terrible. Reloads aren't that long in the first place, and the AR is actually pretty accurate anyway.
I kind of like the idea of an increase in optimal, but I'd want the LR's range to be buffed somewhat to compensate. RR's stepping on its toes as is.
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2014.07.01 08:57:00 -
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A bonus which improves the kick of the Rail is better. Look at the kick when you're on cqc. It's terrible. Improve that with a bonus |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.01 10:32:00 -
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buffing the LR wouldnt be needed as the RR max effective range would still be 100m, same as if anybody else used it. the caldari would just get more room within that 100m range.
the LR already has optimal at 100M |
Nevyn Tazinas
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.01 11:00:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:buffing the LR wouldnt be needed as the RR max effective range would still be 100m, same as if anybody else used it. the caldari would just get more room within that 100m range.
the LR already has optimal at 100M So basically RR > LR all the time is what you are saying. RR already melts LR most of the time unless you get perfect open ground from cover to use LR at true max range. And RR has zero drop off in close. (If you want to argue physics, LR should actually be most devastating at close range, and with it's first shot, not it's last) |
Yoma Carrim
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.01 11:16:00 -
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Nevyn Tazinas wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:buffing the LR wouldnt be needed as the RR max effective range would still be 100m, same as if anybody else used it. the caldari would just get more room within that 100m range.
the LR already has optimal at 100M So basically RR > LR all the time is what you are saying. RR already melts LR most of the time unless you get perfect open ground from cover to use LR at true max range. And RR has zero drop off in close. (If you want to argue physics, LR should actually be most devastating at close range, and with it's first shot, not it's last) No we're not trying to make the LR less effective than the RR only give the Caldari Assault a lore based bonuses that would be useful in the game.
If you have something better than a 5% bonus to Hybrid rail optimal through it out there so we can discuss it.
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.01 13:18:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Yeah they need a better bonus but more range isn't it. That'll just bring back the OP complaining when caldari assaults start wrecking people at 120m+ with militia rail rifles, and create further imbalances between the rifle classes. Strengthening their ROF, damage or shield mod efficiency the way to go to improve their combat abilities. actually i just want the optimal rage increased. not the effective range. so the effective range would still be 100m for all rail rifles, but instead of a 75m optimal range, the caldari would get 90m the downside to this is extremely sharp drop in damage between 90m and 100m Still, no. There'll be no point to running laser rifles if rails ever get that much range, unless if damage drop off at short ranges is removed.
I even think that 100m effective range is too much. Laser rifle gets like a 105 optimal and drops off really fast to an effective of about 110 or 115.
It's also incredibly difficult to aim above 90 meters and 80 meters is my sweet spot. Rail rifles already do enough damage between 80 and 90.
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:06:00 -
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Nevyn Tazinas wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:buffing the LR wouldnt be needed as the RR max effective range would still be 100m, same as if anybody else used it. the caldari would just get more room within that 100m range.
the LR already has optimal at 100M So basically RR > LR all the time is what you are saying. RR already melts LR most of the time unless you get perfect open ground from cover to use LR at true max range. And RR has zero drop off in close. (If you want to argue physics, LR should actually be most devastating at close range, and with it's first shot, not it's last)
LR would still be better at range against anyone other than caldari assault using RR |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:12:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:Yeah they need a better bonus but more range isn't it. That'll just bring back the OP complaining when caldari assaults start wrecking people at 120m+ with militia rail rifles, and create further imbalances between the rifle classes. Strengthening their ROF, damage or shield mod efficiency the way to go to improve their combat abilities. actually i just want the optimal rage increased. not the effective range. so the effective range would still be 100m for all rail rifles, but instead of a 75m optimal range, the caldari would get 90m the downside to this is extremely sharp drop in damage between 90m and 100m Still, no. There'll be no point to running laser rifles if rails ever get that much range, unless if damage drop off at short ranges is removed. I even think that 100m effective range is too much. Laser rifle gets like a 105 optimal and drops off really fast to an effective of about 110 or 115. It's also incredibly difficult to aim above 90 meters and 80 meters is my sweet spot. Rail rifles already do enough damage between 80 and 90.
LR optimal range was changed to 60m to 100m
You also can pre fire the laser rifle to get max damage before vaporizing caldari shields. RR doesn't get a damage boost over time.
Also scrambler rifles **** shields with charge shots. Even at long range. In fact it's better for caldari to use scrambler rifles at long range than it is to use RR because we can blast everything with charge shots. RR should be the better choice for us at range and it isnt |
bogeyman m
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:42:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:amarr are best with laser weapons because they have the best heat control
minmatar have the biggest clip sizes with projectile weapons
gallente have the most best hip fire accuracy with plasma weapons
caldari gets faster reload?
thats not even a direct combat bonus. it doesnt let us shoot longer like the amarr and minmatar bonuses and its doesnt give us a application bonus like the gallente.
give us a range bonus. here's why. all the other races have bonuses that effect the weapon on a per clip basis. if im not amarr assault and i use a scrambler rifle and attack an amarr assault with a scrambler rifle, ill over heat before he does.
if im not minmatar assault and i use a combat rifle vs a minmatar assault, my clip will run out before his does.
if im not gallente assault and i use an assault rifle vs a gallente assault in cqc and hip fire it. ill wont be as accurate as him.
but anyone can pick up a rail rifle and use it with the same accuracy, clip size, charge up time, and range as a caldari assault.
caldari assault needs a better bonus, and i think a range bonus would be perfect for them
Nope.
Your ranges are already way too long.
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.01 16:47:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:amarr are best with laser weapons because they have the best heat control
minmatar have the biggest clip sizes with projectile weapons
gallente have the most best hip fire accuracy with plasma weapons
caldari gets faster reload?
thats not even a direct combat bonus. it doesnt let us shoot longer like the amarr and minmatar bonuses and its doesnt give us a application bonus like the gallente.
give us a range bonus. here's why. all the other races have bonuses that effect the weapon on a per clip basis. if im not amarr assault and i use a scrambler rifle and attack an amarr assault with a scrambler rifle, ill over heat before he does.
if im not minmatar assault and i use a combat rifle vs a minmatar assault, my clip will run out before his does.
if im not gallente assault and i use an assault rifle vs a gallente assault in cqc and hip fire it. ill wont be as accurate as him.
but anyone can pick up a rail rifle and use it with the same accuracy, clip size, charge up time, and range as a caldari assault.
caldari assault needs a better bonus, and i think a range bonus would be perfect for them Nope. Your ranges are already way too long.
You realize the LR has optimal range at 100m and higher dps right? You complain about the RR when it's the weaker weapon at range
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Jathniel
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 01:59:00 -
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A range bonus would be OP. Range already matters too much as it is.
I would back a greater recoil control and or a rail weapon sway reduction buff (something to make the RR, Magsec, and Sniper Rifle less unwieldly).
The reload bonus isn't bad, though. You both shoot at each other with RR, and run out? The Cal will start shooting again first. |
Texs Red
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.02 02:37:00 -
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At least the Caldari bonus actually benefits all your weapons. The Gallente bonus only actually helps the AR, it has no effect on the plasma cannon or ion pistol and actually hurts the shotgun (you want more dispersion, not less) |
bogeyman m
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.02 04:30:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:bogeyman m wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:amarr are best with laser weapons because they have the best heat control
minmatar have the biggest clip sizes with projectile weapons
gallente have the most best hip fire accuracy with plasma weapons
caldari gets faster reload?
thats not even a direct combat bonus. it doesnt let us shoot longer like the amarr and minmatar bonuses and its doesnt give us a application bonus like the gallente.
give us a range bonus. here's why. all the other races have bonuses that effect the weapon on a per clip basis. if im not amarr assault and i use a scrambler rifle and attack an amarr assault with a scrambler rifle, ill over heat before he does.
if im not minmatar assault and i use a combat rifle vs a minmatar assault, my clip will run out before his does.
if im not gallente assault and i use an assault rifle vs a gallente assault in cqc and hip fire it. ill wont be as accurate as him.
but anyone can pick up a rail rifle and use it with the same accuracy, clip size, charge up time, and range as a caldari assault.
caldari assault needs a better bonus, and i think a range bonus would be perfect for them Nope. Your ranges are already way too long. You realize the LR has optimal range at 100m and higher dps right? You complain about the RR when it's the weaker weapon at range Both have ranges that are too long... But the RR is still useful in CQC.
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.02 04:46:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:bogeyman m wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:amarr are best with laser weapons because they have the best heat control
minmatar have the biggest clip sizes with projectile weapons
gallente have the most best hip fire accuracy with plasma weapons
caldari gets faster reload?
thats not even a direct combat bonus. it doesnt let us shoot longer like the amarr and minmatar bonuses and its doesnt give us a application bonus like the gallente.
give us a range bonus. here's why. all the other races have bonuses that effect the weapon on a per clip basis. if im not amarr assault and i use a scrambler rifle and attack an amarr assault with a scrambler rifle, ill over heat before he does.
if im not minmatar assault and i use a combat rifle vs a minmatar assault, my clip will run out before his does.
if im not gallente assault and i use an assault rifle vs a gallente assault in cqc and hip fire it. ill wont be as accurate as him.
but anyone can pick up a rail rifle and use it with the same accuracy, clip size, charge up time, and range as a caldari assault.
caldari assault needs a better bonus, and i think a range bonus would be perfect for them Nope. Your ranges are already way too long. You realize the LR has optimal range at 100m and higher dps right? You complain about the RR when it's the weaker weapon at range Both have ranges that are too long... But the RR is still useful in CQC.
well first, the LR is a support weapon. like the sniper rifle, shotgun, and mass driver.
the scrambler rifles range is almost the same as the RR but nobody complains about that. or the fact that its good in both cqc and long range, and it has the highest dps.
the more i hear about the RR having too much range, the more i start to think people are simply getting caught standing out in the open while armor tanking. too slow to reach cover, and prolly using an AR or CR while outside of its optimal range.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:58:00 -
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I'm sorry, but if you are actually complaining about the LR having too much DPS at range then there's not much point in debating this. The LR is very situational and has by far the most punishing range profile in the game. It's literally near-useless inside 40-50m.
RR is 1000% ez mode in comparison. Full auto, nice scope, better damage profile, does equal damage across its entire optimal from the first shot to the last. I'd be willing to bet more people use the RR than the LR and ScR combined (ScR is used the least of the 4 main rifles, that's a known fact.)
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