DUST Search - discussion: Gallente passive repair

Korvin Lomont wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

No.

Let's look at EvE

Gallante
Armour Rep Tankers

Amarr
Armour Buffer Tankers

Caldari
Shield Buffer Tankers

Minmatar
Shield Rep Tankers

Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good.
Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further.

Hmmm this may be true for the heavy because of the odd slot layout but with new buffed amarr assault both the amarr scout and assault can out ehp their gallente counterpart.

Also if you lower the ehp of gal assaults and scout you would indirectly buff the gal suits is already stupid that those caldari shield tanker have the same ehp than us slow regen armor tankers and now you want to gimp us even more without touching the cals??

In terms of base ehP is should be lowest to highest (obvious with min the lowest amarr the highest):
min < cal < gal < amarr

What I agree to is the difference between gal and amarr is not big enough there fore I would suggest to give Amarr slightly more armor and a different slot layout.

The amarr should be really focused on low slots while gallente should have a more balanced approach:
e.g:
amarr scout 1/5 vs gal scout 2/4
amarr assault 2/5 vs gal 3/4
amarr sentinel 1/5 vs 2/3

This combined with a small armor buff should be enough to make amarr the buffer tanker.

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knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1071	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:22:00 - [1] - Quote should the gallente suits (besides the heavy) passive repair be at 1 instead of what it is now. back in the day when the minmatar had the passive rep it was 1 hp/s and it had still saved me many times before. i dont know why we had it, but it was probably because we were incredibly weak. it shouldnt be too big of a deal to have 1hp/s and you would still have repair but it would take a mod to make it worth while. NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2651	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:25:00 - [2] - Quote So gimp the assault even more? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3435	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:25:00 - [3] - Quote It really is the only saving grace our suits have. We literally have the worst suit bonus in game, and along with the Caldari, the lowest CPU/PG of any suit. I don't mean just the lowest of the assault, but lower then scouts, heavies and Logis. I'm not even sure if we pass the Commando, but they have their own problems. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Atiim EnvyUs. 9993	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:27:00 - [4] - Quote No because it allows for Repair Tanking to be viable, which is a refreshing change from the excessive eHP stacking mentality that's plagued this game for a while. Not to mention that most (if not all) weapons in the game at every tier have the ability to out-DPS them. Ever hear of the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? On a more related note, I'd be in favor of giving every dropsuit 1HP/s and simply increasing the native repair on Gallente Frames by 1HP/s to ensure that they keep their advantage. Taking Care of The Pilot Infestation in North American Skirmish -HAND
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1071	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote as i said, i said all but the gall heavy be at 1, not just the assault. but i mean its still better than nothing, so, its something to at least think about. NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
Atiim EnvyUs. 9993	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:31:00 - [6] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: as i said, i said all but the gall heavy be at 1, not just the assault. but i mean its still better than nothing, so, its something to at least think about. I think we should also reduce the direct damage of the Flaylock Pistol to 20HP as well. It's better than nothing right? Taking Care of The Pilot Infestation in North American Skirmish -HAND
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6248	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote I'd be completely fine with Amarr and Minmatar having native 1hp/s all around and +1 to all Gal suits (except scouts at least until assault scouts are fixed) But to the Caldari I say no, between being a major shield tanker and all the ways their equipment let them get their armor back (more than actual freakin armor races) I say no to that. Also because of dual tanking, because its so much easier to dual tank with a shield suit than to dual tank with an armor suit. This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1071	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: No because it allows for Repair Tanking to be viable, which is a refreshing change from the excessive eHP stacking mentality that's plagued this game for a while. Not to mention that most (if not all) weapons in the game at every tier have the ability to out-DPS them. Ever hear of the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? On a more related note, I'd be in favor of giving every dropsuit 1HP/s and simply increasing the native repair on Gallente Frames by 1HP/s to ensure that they keep their advantage. if anything the minmatar could use thier 1 hp/s back NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1072	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: No because it allows for Repair Tanking to be viable, which is a refreshing change from the excessive eHP stacking mentality that's plagued this game for a while. Not to mention that most (if not all) weapons in the game at every tier have the ability to out-DPS them. Ever hear of the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"? On a more related note, I'd be in favor of giving every dropsuit 1HP/s and simply increasing the native repair on Gallente Frames by 1HP/s to ensure that they keep their advantage. actually it would be a good idea to let gal have their regen but also allow minmatar to have thier passive 1 hp/s back to the way it use to be NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3966	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:45:00 - [10] - Quote I'd say they need to keep it: The issue isn't that Gallente have this magical edge it's that the Amarr don't have enough armor gap to make it worth losing out on a rep and a slot. I would be down for Minmatar having a 1hp/s again Also: It makes sense to have a Heavy have the lesser of reps and a light frame to have the greater of reps because health to regen ratio: As you increase in HP you decrease in Regen. As you decrease in HP you increase in regen. Thus we have the 1/2/3 system in place. Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C

Midas Fool Prophets of the Velocirapture 491	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote No, it should stay as is. Amarr and Minmatar suits across the board should get 1-2hp/s armor rep native. Cal don't need anything, but it'd be nice if they had 1hp/s across the board too. Kinda sucks to have HP that doesn't regen at all. I'm thinking Militia Min and Ammar mediums in particular. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15713	Posted - 2014.07.03 23:59:00 - [12] - Quote From my point of view gal should lose a low and gain a high instead of matching amarr low slot count. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2995	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:06:00 - [13] - Quote No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2695	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:14:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: From my point of view gal should lose a low and gain a high instead of matching amarr low slot count. From an assault perspective that'd be terrible. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3944	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:17:00 - [15] - Quote OP, why. That's a hell of an assertion. Especially when the lowest DPS weapon I can think of offhand style still deals over 200 (bolt pistol). That 2hp/s is not really significant. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1081	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:19:00 - [16] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. also remember that the minmatar are dual tankers as well so depending on the suit it will be either better shield tanked or armor tanked. NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
Spademan the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 2049	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:20:00 - [17] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: i dont know why we had it, but it was probably because we were incredibly weak. I think it may have been because back then a steady and infinite (nanomachines you see) supply of tape (all kinds, not just duct) was a key element of suit design. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1081	Posted - 2014.07.04 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote Spademan wrote: knight guard fury wrote: i dont know why we had it, but it was probably because we were incredibly weak. I think it may have been because back then a steady and infinite (nanomachines you see) supply of tape (all kinds, not just duct) was a key element of suit design. cuz back in the day rust was king, Trust In the Rust NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2999	Posted - 2014.07.04 10:54:00 - [19] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. also remember that the minmatar are dual tankers as well so depending on the suit it will be either better shield tanked or armor tanked. Yeah True, you also have to remember that Gallante and Amarr can fit damage mods, without sacrificing tank! My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
BL4CKST4R Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2844	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:16:00 - [20] - Quote knight guard fury wrote: should the gallente suits (besides the heavy) passive repair be at 1 instead of what it is now. back in the day when the minmatar had the passive rep it was 1 hp/s and it had still saved me many times before. i dont know why we had it, but it was probably because we were incredibly weak. it shouldnt be too big of a deal to have 1hp/s and you would still have repair but it would take a mod to make it worth while. Lol it should be higher the only reason that tiny spec of repair is even slightly significant is because passive repairing for armor doesn't suck but by itself it doesn't help at all if the user was purely plate tanking. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

BL4CKST4R Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2844	Posted - 2014.07.04 11:18:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Purely dual tanked Caldari gets the highest EHP actually supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3978	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:11:00 - [22] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: OP, why. That's a hell of an assertion. Especially when the lowest DPS weapon I can think of offhand style still deals over 200 (bolt pistol). That 2hp/s is not really significant. Would like an answer pls CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2999	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:14:00 - [23] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Purely dual tanked Caldari gets the highest EHP actually Not when in comes to Logis, Sentinels and Scouts. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 998	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:20:00 - [24] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Hmmm this may be true for the heavy because of the odd slot layout but with new buffed amarr assault both the amarr scout and assault can out ehp their gallente counterpart. Also if you lower the ehp of gal assaults and scout you would indirectly buff the gal suits is already stupid that those caldari shield tanker have the same ehp than us slow regen armor tankers and now you want to gimp us even more without touching the cals?? In terms of base ehP is should be lowest to highest: min < cal < gal < amarr What I agree to is the difference between gal and amarr is not big enough there fore I would suggest to give Amarr slightly more armor and a different slot layout. The amarr should be really focused on low slots while gallente should have a more balanced approach: e.g: amarr scout 1/5 vs gal scout 2/4 amarr assault 2/5 vs gal 3/4 amarr sentinel 1/5 vs 2/3 This combined with a small armor buff should be enough to make amarr the buffer tanker.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 998	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:22:00 - [25] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Purely dual tanked Caldari gets the highest EHP actually Not when in comes to Logis, Sentinels and Scouts. The amarr scout can out ehp the gal scout by roughly 100 or 200 ehp as the amarr scout is the only one that can achieve 1000ehp + the gal can get 900 ehp and the dual tanked cal 800 ehp if i remember correctly
Vitoka79 from SVK ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:32:00 - [26] - Quote [/quote] actually it would be a good idea to let gal have their regen but also allow minmatar to have thier passive 1 hp/s back to the way it use to be[/quote] I remember the 1hp passive rep on the Min suit.But that was the only logi suit available at that time.Thats why it had the passive rep. And about nerfing gallente.Dont forget that the gallente suits have the lovest stamina and speed. DUST 514 open market?Rest in pieces...
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood 3471	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:38:00 - [27] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. That would be Amarr. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3000	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:39:00 - [28] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Hmmm this may be true for the heavy because of the odd slot layout but with new buffed amarr assault both the amarr scout and assault can out ehp their gallente counterpart. Also if you lower the ehp of gal assaults and scout you would indirectly buff the gal suits is already stupid that those caldari shield tanker have the same ehp than us slow regen armor tankers and now you want to gimp us even more without touching the cals?? In terms of base ehP is should be lowest to highest (obvious with min the lowest amarr the highest): min < cal < gal < amarr What I agree to is the difference between gal and amarr is not big enough there fore I would suggest to give Amarr slightly more armor and a different slot layout. The amarr should be really focused on low slots while gallente should have a more balanced approach: e.g: amarr scout 1/5 vs gal scout 2/4 amarr assault 2/5 vs gal 3/4 amarr sentinel 1/5 vs 2/3 This combined with a small armor buff should be enough to make amarr the buffer tanker. Seems fair enough, I would also have nerfed the cal scouts aswell, but since this was a gal thread I kept gal changes. Yeah the Amarr does need a greaater pool of armour and it would probably solve the gal disparity. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3000	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. Purely dual tanked Caldari gets the highest EHP actually Not when in comes to Logis, Sentinels and Scouts. The amarr scout can out ehp the gal scout by roughly 100 or 200 ehp as the amarr scout is the only one that can achieve 1000ehp + the gal can get 900 ehp and the dual tanked cal 800 ehp if i remember correctly Yes the amarr scout can, and that is fine, forgot about him. However the Gallante Sentinel can reach 1900, while the amarr can achieve only 1800, this needs to be swapped around. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3000	Posted - 2014.07.04 12:44:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: No. Let's look at EvE Gallante Armour Rep Tankers Amarr Armour Buffer Tankers Caldari Shield Buffer Tankers Minmatar Shield Rep Tankers Currently gallante can achieve the highest EHP on suits. Because the base armour is too good. Personally I say reduce the gallante suit EHP amd increase the passive repair even further. That would be Amarr. Only on the Scout suits My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2



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