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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11220	Posted - 2014.06.28 17:05:00 - [1] - Quote When 1.7's FW system came out, I made this thread which then got ignored for 6 months, but now that the messiah Rattati has emerged, there is now some chance of feedback actually being taken into consideration. [Comparison] A purely ISK-bought standard fitting: STD Minmatar logistics 2X basic shield extended Basic armor plate Basic armor repair module STD mass driver STD RE STD active scanner STD repair tool Cost: 11,850 ISK Now the same standard fitting in pure LP-bought faction store items (republic and federal): STD Minmatar logistics 2X basic shield extended Basic armor plate Basic armor repair module STD mass driver STD RE STD active scanner STD repair tool Cost: 200 LP (140 Republic / 60 Federal) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ A purely ISK-bought prototype fitting: scout mk.0 Freedom mass driver Six Kin SMG Complex shield extender Complex shield recharger Complex sidearm damage mod Complex armor rep Complex armor plate Complex codebreaker Cost: 155,760 ISK Now the same prototype fitting in pure LP-bought faction store items (republic and federal): Republic scout mk.0 Republic Freedom mass driver Republic Six Kin SMG Republic complex shield extender Republic complex shield recharger Republic complex sidearm damage mod Federation complex armor rep Federation complex armor plate Federation complex codebreaker Cost: 805 LP (580 Republic / 225 Federal) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [Problem] ISK rewards of public contracts on average range from 70-400K ISK depending on your performance; this is not exact, but based on experience. 70k represents absolute laziness (like AFK farming), and 400k represents performing extremely well. With the ISK rewards you can buy between 05.91-33.76 full fits of the STD ISK fitting. With the ISK rewards you can buy between 00.45-02.57 full fits of the PRO ISK fitting. LP rewards of FW contracts on average range from 326-659 LP depending on your standing. This is based on these numbers released by CCP. With the LP rewards you can buy between 01.63-03.30 full fits (depending on standing) of the PRO LP fitting. With the LP rewards you can buy between 00.41-00.82 full fits (depending on standing) of the PRO LP fitting. See any problem with that? ISK rewards let you buy 6-33 standard fits, or 1/2-2 prototype. LP rewards even for a victory with level 10 standing can only buy you 3 equivalent standard, or less than 1 equivalent prototype fits. The very best FW rewards are still awful compared to the very worst public Skirmish reward. LP rewards comparatively suck for buying low tier stuff, and sucks for buying high tier stuff as well. No player market will eve be coming for Dust, so the whole "you will be able to profit from FW by selling LP items" argument is completely dead. Even if you could sell LP items you bought, items bought with a level 10 standing victory LP reward would have to be priced around 6 that of ISK-bought equivalents just to match the rewards of an average Skirmish (I covered why 6x it in the original thread I linked). [Solution] FW is high risk: practically no pay for losses, no standings gain for losses, and friendly fire. High risk should come with high reward. If a loss is worth close to nothing, a victory should be almost equivalent to twice the average Skirmish payout. This could be done by A) Increase both victory and defeat LP rewards by 5x. This would mean that a victory with 0 standing to buy 8 STD fits (for comparison, ISK rewards buy 6-33 STD fits), this would make it at least better than AFK farming in a public Skirmish. With a level 10 standings victory, you could buy around 4 PRO fits (for comparison, ISK rewards buy over 2 PRO fits). B) add the same (or reduced) public battle ISK rewards to FW in addition to LP rewards. Why should high risk come with lower rewards? [Somewhat related] LP store is lacking a ton of stuff: Caldari scout, Cal sentinel, Cal commando, magsec, bolt pistol. Minmatar scout, Min sentinel, Min commando, standard and advanced combat rifles. Gallente sentinel, Gal commando, ion pistol. Amarr scout. Some weapons have both a PRO specialist and less expensive non-specialist variants (SCR), while others only have the expensive specialist variant as an option (AR); all PRO LP weapons should have both a specialist and a non-specialist version. Imperial commando AK.0 still has a sidearm in addition to the 2 light weapon slots. No other prototype LP suit has this extra advantage over regular ISK proto, so I assume this is unintentional. Thank you for reading. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10512	Posted - 2014.06.28 17:15:00 - [2] - Quote +100 meow A simple "sell" option would also work, so you could buy LP items and then allow us to sell them for ISK at a good price. Would solve a LOT of problems at the same time. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 382	Posted - 2014.06.28 17:34:00 - [3] - Quote I'd also note that (I've I stated before), that a ton of vehicle stuff is either not even in the LP store (every last module, specialist turrets), or is broken (vehicles having turrets pre-equipped).
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3582	Posted - 2014.06.28 19:10:00 - [4] - Quote I'll just throw this on top of the pile too: Can we please at least have a token standings increase for high performers in a loss? Even just 10 points would make it a lot less infuriating to drop 3x as many WP as the #2 person on the board and get essentially nothing for it. 1 standings point for every 100 WP, a set number of points for the top few people on the leaderboard, something! Throw the Amarr and Caldari a bone here! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 637	Posted - 2014.06.28 20:38:00 - [5] - Quote I recently wrote this thread on a similar topic. FW needs to be worth the effort economically, pub contracts should not be economically viable when protostomping. The solution is to pump up the FW rewards while flattening the standings<->payout curve and then equalizing the rewards in public matches at a lower level, like an average payout of ~125k ISK.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11223	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:20:00 - [6] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: I'll just throw this on top of the pile too: Can we please at least have a token standings increase for high performers in a loss? Even just 10 points would make it a lot less infuriating to drop 3x as many WP as the #2 person on the board and get essentially nothing for it. 1 standings point for every 100 WP, a set number of points for the top few people on the leaderboard, something! Throw the Amarr and Caldari a bone here! I support Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1957	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:47:00 - [7] - Quote I too have noticed that pubs provide much better payouts than FW. You can buy a lot more assets of equal meta levels in pubs than from FW. I'd also like to add my thoughts here. I think that LP rewards should also reward top contributors better than those at the bottom of the scoreboard. Doesn't make sense that someone who AFK's in the MCC gets the exact same rewards as someone who gets 2000 WP and probably captured 10 objectives. It should also provide incentive to Caldari/Amarr to actually try instead of just sit in the redline doing nothing as soon as they get redlined the first few minutes of the match. (And also to provide a better reward for those 5% that actually try and score several times higher than the second or third place player on the team) I have a discussion started on it here. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
MINA Longstrike 928	Posted - 2014.06.28 22:45:00 - [8] - Quote To reward top performers LP payouts should be increased by say 1% for every 10 wp's earned. If you're consistently earning 1000-3000 wp's you're earning 100-300% more LP. This also heavily incentivises the use of drop uplinks, rep tools, scanners and nanohives. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
jerrmy12 kahoalii New Age Empire. 1578	Posted - 2014.06.28 22:50:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: To reward top performers LP payouts should be increased by say 1% for every 10 wp's earned. If you're consistently earning 1000-3000 wp's you're earning 100-300% more LP. This also heavily incentivises the use of drop uplinks, rep tools, scanners and nanohives. Base payout needs increasing first. Closed beta vet. If bo burnham was on my little pony: friendship is magic
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11227	Posted - 2014.06.29 03:13:00 - [10] - Quote /me wonders if I'll have to make this into a spreadsheet for Rattati to read it Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+

jerrmy12 kahoalii New Age Empire. 1579	Posted - 2014.06.29 03:18:00 - [11] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: /me wonders if I'll have to make this into a spreadsheet for Rattati to read it Yes, you do. Closed beta vet. If bo burnham was on my little pony: friendship is magic
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 775	Posted - 2014.06.30 02:44:00 - [12] - Quote I hope this gets done while I'm still vaguely interested in Dust. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11360	Posted - 2014.06.30 03:17:00 - [13] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: I hope this gets done while I'm still vaguely interested in Dust. I'd like to see STB back fighting for the Minmatar ...... you guys were a good fight back in the day. " We need to reclaim their fates and envelop them in ours. And we need to love them, no matter how much it hurts."
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11240	Posted - 2014.07.01 15:17:00 - [14] - Quote I want moar LP Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11250	Posted - 2014.07.04 07:37:00 - [15] - Quote /me hears crickets Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3519	Posted - 2014.07.05 01:48:00 - [16] - Quote Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6146	Posted - 2014.07.05 01:51:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3519	Posted - 2014.07.05 01:54:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6146	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:05:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. What's your thoughts? Increasing the LP rewards while retaining ISK cost on items? Removing ISK costs? Give us some details, yo! Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 185	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:08:00 - [20] - Quote There should be an isk payout as well. Not as much as the pubs though. About half of the isk payout as the pubs. Also, the loyalty point payout is too low?! "Anybody order chaos?"

MINA Longstrike 965	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:14:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. If I might add a suggestion - a 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3617	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:09:00 - [22] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. What's your thoughts? Increasing the LP rewards while retaining ISK cost on items? Removing ISK costs? Give us some details, yo! Yes, details plz. Do not underestimate the impact of better rewards for a good loss, either. Without that, Amarr and Caldari will still languish, with top heavy armies led by valiant Champions doomed to being dragged down by the hordes of incompetent cannon fodder with whom they are forced to fight. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2386	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:12:00 - [23] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If I might add a suggestion - a 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. Mighty generous of you there, Mina. Pro Tip: 0.1% isn't very much. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
MINA Longstrike 965	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:58:00 - [24] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If I might add a suggestion - a 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. Mighty generous of you there, Mina. Pro Tip: 0.1% isn't very much. 1000 wp = 100% payout increase Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2387	Posted - 2014.07.05 05:28:00 - [25] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If I might add a suggestion - a 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. Mighty generous of you there, Mina. Pro Tip: 0.1% isn't very much. 1000 wp = 100% payout increase 100% increase =/= 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. The former could be more easily said as "doubling" payout. The latter -- as previously explained -- is equivalent to a payout increase of 0.1%. Are you suggesting something somewhere in between these two extremes? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
jaksol exendent Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.07.05 05:28:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. risk like blue berrys shotguning me in the face or shoting my proto suit with a tank
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 11	Posted - 2014.07.05 06:18:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. Not only the increase in participation but hopefully it will finally give the caldari and the amar something to fight for. "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
MINA Longstrike 965	Posted - 2014.07.05 06:26:00 - [28] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If I might add a suggestion - a 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. Mighty generous of you there, Mina. Pro Tip: 0.1% isn't very much. 1000 wp = 100% payout increase 100% increase =/= 1% increase in payout per 10 wp earned. The former could be more easily said as "doubling" payout. The latter -- as previously explained -- is equivalent to a payout increase of 0.1%. Are you suggesting something somewhere in between these two extremes? I'm suggesting that people get rewarded for their participation and effort a 1% increase of payout per every 10 wp earned is a good start and let's them dial in to a good number. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 45	Posted - 2014.07.05 06:38:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. i would like to see some kind of reward for reaching lvl.10 in a faction such as a bpo, in my eyes it would really kickstart fw (yes i'm lvl 10 cal , you can put lvl 10 ppl like me on a waiting period before we get our bpo) Just an idea doesn't seem much point in playing fw but with that^ and increased payout might get me back into it here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 403	Posted - 2014.07.05 09:39:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Read, and agree that FW rewards need to be better than public matches due to higher risk. Don't forget to add all the missing dropsuits and what not. Kind of a pain fighting for Gallente with no option to buy Commando suits Much bigger effort. I propose we increase rewards and see if participation in FW increases. its not your fault, but tossing sugar on a steaming pile of crap isnt going to fix anything. FW is still a mess. we cant coordinate anything as a corp or with eve players. not being able to choose where we fight is another issue. and none of these problems have been solved.



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